***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    Not the best example MB. I didn't like Poe last year and thought he was a 2nd round talent at best. I was shocked someone grabbed him that high and it seems I might have been right. Just because they are a premium doesn't mean someone should reach for them either. Right now Williams is more potential then anything else in my eyes. He has a ton of upside but I haven't seen it translate to his game yet, except in flashes. Considering the team he's on I'm assuming he's getting the proper coaching. Who knows though because these things are like light switches where sometimes the potential just clicks and the person comes roaring on and others it just never clicks and the guy is talked about as potental. That is usually why in the 1st I always target production over potential every time. 2nd and 3rd round is where I think potential players belong.

     

    When you really look at it more players taken in the 1st based on potential have failed then succeeded. It's a very dangerous game. Personally I wouldn't look at Williams until the very back end of the 1st and only if I couldn't trade back/up into the early 2nd. I'd rather target someone with the production in college in the 1st. But, that a philoshopic belief

    Are you talking statistical based production?

     

     
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    mbeaulieu....harley here.. any wideouts worthy of a 1 or 2 that can understand the playbook and not be a f'..up  TB could use a good target out there Branch isnt going to be around and maybe WW  isnt either

     
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    mbeaulieu....harley here.. any wideouts worthy of a 1 or 2 that can understand the playbook and not be a f'..up  TB could use a good target out there Branch isnt going to be around and maybe WW  isnt either




    Hey Harley.. there are some kids that project as Top 50 type WR's (no Top 10 talents), but none that really get me excited at this point.  I personally hope they address the defensive side of the ball in Rd's 1 & 2, then maybe grab a WR in Rd 3 (Ryan Swope is a kid that I like in that range).

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd

     
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    mbeaulieu....harley here.. any wideouts worthy of a 1 or 2 that can understand the playbook and not be a f'..up  TB could use a good target out there Branch isnt going to be around and maybe WW  isnt either




    Hey Harley.. there are some kids that project as Top 50 type WR's (no Top 10 talents), but none that really get me excited at this point.  I personally hope they address the defensive side of the ball in Rd's 1 & 2, then maybe grab a WR in Rd 3 (Ryan Swope is a kid that I like in that range).



    thanks you're right better db's and another rusher are needed asap

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     

     
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    Matt Elam says... "Happy Friday!"

     

    http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/568/612/ElamHit_original_original.gif?1349554890

     
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    lol ouch that looks like it hurts though not great tackling techinique. With bigger strong back that hit might or might not result in a tackle and could leave the door open for a large run around the edge. I prefer Rodney's approach which he said, when you tackle you should never leave your feet, just drop your should run and run through the player. If you leave your feet you have no control over how hard you are going to hit.

    It's is a big plus though to see Elam isn't afraid to make a big hit and another big plus that he knows how to move his head away from the point of contact

     
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    lol ouch that looks like it hurts though not great tackling techinique. With bigger strong back that hit might or might not result in a tackle and could leave the door open for a large run around the edge. I prefer Rodney's approach which he said, when you tackle you should never leave your feet, just drop your should run and run through the player. If you leave your feet you have no control over how hard you are going to hit.

    It's is a big plus though to see Elam isn't afraid to make a big hit and another big plus that he knows how to move his head away from the point of contact




    Haha, believe it or not, that back was 225 pounds (Spencer Ware, one of LSU's seemingly endless stable of big backs).  I'd agree that it's not ideal wrap and drive technique... but I'd def prefer to see a tackler explode completely through a ball carrier than just try and drop a shoulder.

    I'd have to say, of the S's that I've watched on tape (and I've seen pretty much all of them in this class), Elam... is one of, if not the best tackler... ND's Zeke Motta is up there as well... heck, I wish BB showed his DB's tape of ND games and how little YAC their DB's give up.  Imagine some sort of contract incentive where a player is bonused for not missing a tackle?  You'll never see it, but it may clean things up, ha.

     
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    lol ouch that looks like it hurts though not great tackling techinique. With bigger strong back that hit might or might not result in a tackle and could leave the door open for a large run around the edge. I prefer Rodney's approach which he said, when you tackle you should never leave your feet, just drop your should run and run through the player. If you leave your feet you have no control over how hard you are going to hit.

    It's is a big plus though to see Elam isn't afraid to make a big hit and another big plus that he knows how to move his head away from the point of contact




    Haha, believe it or not, that back was 225 pounds (Spencer Ware, one of LSU's seemingly endless stable of big backs).  I'd agree that it's not ideal wrap and drive technique... but I'd def prefer to see a tackler explode completely through a ball carrier than just try and drop a shoulder.

    I'd have to say, of the S's that I've watched on tape (and I've seen pretty much all of them in this class), Elam... is one of, if not the best tackler in this class... ND's Zeke Motta is up there as well... heck, I wish BB showed his DB's tape of ND games and how little YAC their DB's give up.  Image some sort of contract incentive where a player is bonused for not missing a tackle?  You'll never see it, but it may clean things up, ha.



    I agree but what I think Rodney meant by dropping your shoulder was putting your shoulder into their chest and running through (that should natural make your arms wrap around just in reflex). If you notice when Rodney hit people he'd hit them with his shoulder and drove through them until they hit the ground. If Elam can tackle like that then sign me up in an instant. I just don't like the diving tackles when there is open space behind you. To much chance of a glancing blow and letting the guy run free. Stand up and either drive through him or hold him up for others to have a shot at knocking the ball out. Either way from what I've seen of Elam I think he could do this and be extremely effective doing it.

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl make the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangerous and give us good chance for the sb

     
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    lol ouch that looks like it hurts though not great tackling techinique. With bigger strong back that hit might or might not result in a tackle and could leave the door open for a large run around the edge. I prefer Rodney's approach which he said, when you tackle you should never leave your feet, just drop your should run and run through the player. If you leave your feet you have no control over how hard you are going to hit.

    It's is a big plus though to see Elam isn't afraid to make a big hit and another big plus that he knows how to move his head away from the point of contact




    Haha, believe it or not, that back was 225 pounds (Spencer Ware, one of LSU's seemingly endless stable of big backs).  I'd agree that it's not ideal wrap and drive technique... but I'd def prefer to see a tackler explode completely through a ball carrier than just try and drop a shoulder.

    I'd have to say, of the S's that I've watched on tape (and I've seen pretty much all of them in this class), Elam... is one of, if not the best tackler... ND's Zeke Motta is up there as well... heck, I wish BB showed his DB's tape of ND games and how little YAC their DB's give up.  Imagine some sort of contract incentive where a player is bonused for not missing a tackle?  You'll never see it, but it may clean things up, ha.



    brilliant idea.

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 



    and has been for years.

    at this point in the gaem, id keep talib and use fa for def backs needed.

    how woudl you feel if we whifffed yet again at a high db pick?

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 



    and has been for years.

    at this point in the gaem, id keep talib and use fa for def backs needed.

    how woudl you feel if we whifffed yet again at a high db pick?


    Same way I'd feel if they whiffed on any high round pick.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    Coming in late to this thread but what are your projections for Notre Dame seniors and eligble jrs

     
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    In response to mgraham's comment:

    Coming in late to this thread but what are your projections for Notre Dame seniors and eligble jrs




    mg, welcome back.

    • LB Te'o- Top 10-15
    • TE Eifert- Top 40
    • S Motta- Top 100
    • C Cave- Rd 4-6
    • RB Riddick Rd 5-7
    • DE Lewis-Moore Rd 5-7
    • S Slaughter 7-URFA
    • C/OG Golic 7-URFA
    • WR Toma URFA

    The below SR's/RS JR's I project to come back for a 5th year:

    • OT- Martin
    • OG- Watt
    • RB- Wood
    • LB- Calabrese
    • LB- Fox

    The below JR's/RS Soph's would prob come off the board on Day 2, but I think they'll come back:

    • NT Nix
    • CB Jackson
    • OLB/DE Shembo
     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 



    and has been for years.

    at this point in the gaem, id keep talib and use fa for def backs needed.

    how woudl you feel if we whifffed yet again at a high db pick?


    Same way I'd feel if they whiffed on any high round pick.



    you know as well as i, that bb misses on dbs frequently and on wrs.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    terrence willimas is kicking @ss and taking names today.

    baylor looks good for the upset going into the 4th up by 3 tds

    if not for stanford's fumble of a punt, the same woudl be true for stanford at oregon.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    by the way, the case can easily be made that the ncaa is managing these games. this is the 3rd call ive seen this year given to the team expected to win when they were going to lose (nd at stanford, pitt at nd and now stanford at oregon-gift pass interference on 3rd and 10 at their own 20 with a minute left.)

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    ARE THE IRISH EYES SMILIN' NOTRE DAME SHOULD BE #1 TOMORROW.....

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    the season of irish bigtime luck continues.

    matt barkley is most likely out with a shoulder injury next week, which makes notre dame going to a nc more than liklely. even though, i dont think theyd make it out of the sec with less than 2 (but more likley 3  losses) this year. just opinion (but not based on nothing). the luck the irish have had this year is not opinion (for those who atched all year). we'll see what happensd next week at the likely barkley-less trojans.

    interestingly ucla woulda been a much tougher game for nd.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    FBS WHAT A JOKE. 

    kansas state gets blown out by an unranked team then is # 5 in the bcs?

    joke.

    political (power and money).

    also nd needs to be forced to choose a conference to participate in the bcs. they should not have the advantage of choosing all their games. if nd played in the pac 12, "big 12", or sec, would they be undefeated? maybe. impossible to say. but unfair the way it is now.

    football folowers may note that uconn beat pitt. uconn.

    what if nd was in the acc, clemson is a pretty tough offense.

    well see what happens in the "money league" in college football next year.

    nc looks to be alabam/georgia winner and nd.

    have  a preference mb?

    goergia has come on late in the year.

    but their coach is not near the coach saban is.

    anyone see the lsu ole miss game?

    WHAT A GAME!

    havent seen a better college game all year.

    was in doubt all the way.

    ole miss has made thoir way up in competitiveness to play wiht the big boys.

    they have a geat young qb

    next year, for thos wathing closely, they get the #1 recruit in the country. a pass rushng d lineman who beats triple teams in high school. monster of a kid.

    in 2 years ole miss will  be DANGEROUS it appears (if they continue with the current trend).

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

    New record.

    johnny manziel (johnny football)

    first rookie in fbs history 3k yarsds pass, 1k yards run. a and m looks to be good till this guy graduates

     
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