***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 



    and has been for years.

    at this point in the gaem, id keep talib and use fa for def backs needed.

    how woudl you feel if we whifffed yet again at a high db pick?


    Same way I'd feel if they whiffed on any high round pick.



    you know as well as i, that bb misses on dbs frequently and on wrs.




    Certainly, that's not debatable, however I don't think it will really change his draft strategy... though I hope it causes them to take a step back, reflect and make changes where needed to how they're evaluating and identifying perimeter talent.

     
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    FBS WHAT A JOKE. 

    kansas state gets blown out by an unranked team then is # 5 in the bcs?

    joke.

    political (power and money).

    also nd needs to be forced to choose a conference to participate in the bcs. they should not have the advantage of choosing all their games. if nd played in the pac 12, "big 12", or sec, would they be undefeated? maybe. impossible to say. but unfair the way it is now.

    football folowers may note that uconn beat pitt. uconn.

    what if nd was in the acc, clemson is a pretty tough offense.

    well see what happens in the "money league" in college football next year.

    nc looks to be alabam/georgia winner and nd.

    have  a preference mb?

    goergia has come on late in the year.

    but their coach is not near the coach saban is.

    anyone see the lsu ole miss game?

    WHAT A GAME!

    havent seen a better college game all year.

    was in doubt all the way.

    ole miss has made thoir way up in competitiveness to play wiht the big boys.

    they have a geat young qb

    next year, for thos wathing closely, they get the #1 recruit in the country. a pass rushng d lineman who beats triple teams in high school. monster of a kid.

    in 2 years ole miss will  be DANGEROUS it appears (if they continue with the current trend).




    ND still has to go out and handle their business against SC, but given the choice I'd hope to see ND play Bama.  It'd be a good measuring stick game, though there's no doubting that ND is a top level team with an elite D... and if they win, I wanna see how the haters will try and spin it.

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)

     
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    the season of irish bigtime luck continues.

    matt barkley is most likely out with a shoulder injury next week, which makes notre dame going to a nc more than liklely. even though, i dont think theyd make it out of the sec with less than 2 (but more likley 3  losses) this year. just opinion (but not based on nothing). the luck the irish have had this year is not opinion (for those who atched all year). we'll see what happensd next week at the likely barkley-less trojans.

    interestingly ucla woulda been a much tougher game for nd.



    With all the freshman qb's who are playing well lately, this kid Wittek makes me nervous. I think Barkley is overated anyway

     
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    FBS WHAT A JOKE. 

    kansas state gets blown out by an unranked team then is # 5 in the bcs?

    joke.

    political (power and money).

    also nd needs to be forced to choose a conference to participate in the bcs. they should not have the advantage of choosing all their games. if nd played in the pac 12, "big 12", or sec, would they be undefeated? maybe. impossible to say. but unfair the way it is now.

    football folowers may note that uconn beat pitt. uconn.

    what if nd was in the acc, clemson is a pretty tough offense.

    well see what happens in the "money league" in college football next year.

    nc looks to be alabam/georgia winner and nd.

    have  a preference mb?

    goergia has come on late in the year.

    but their coach is not near the coach saban is.

    anyone see the lsu ole miss game?

    WHAT A GAME!

    havent seen a better college game all year.

    was in doubt all the way.

    ole miss has made thoir way up in competitiveness to play wiht the big boys.

    they have a geat young qb

    next year, for thos wathing closely, they get the #1 recruit in the country. a pass rushng d lineman who beats triple teams in high school. monster of a kid.

    in 2 years ole miss will  be DANGEROUS it appears (if they continue with the current trend).




    ND still has to go out and handle their business against SC, but given the choice I'd hope to see ND play Bama.  It'd be a good measuring stick game, though there's not doubting that ND is a top level team with an elite D... and if they win, I wanna see how the haters will try and spin it.



    Would love to see that matchup

     
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    endulge me if you will for a moment in a mental exercise:

    for a moment, imagine what our defense woudl look like if jj watt played for us. bear with me.

    how does the whole of the defense perform?

    ok, now, how does the whole of the team perform through a season and the playoffs.

    if you envision a dramtic change in our defense and our ability to win games,

    this is the evidence i submit to back my case for trading any and even all of 2014 draft picks to move up in round one and into round 1 again. making 2 picks to get 2 DOMINATING  players (im thinking dt and de). with the third pick we need a c/g who can win consistently run blocking and pass blocking.

    any other accoutrement we do in fa (though we can take a shot in the 7th and udfa for wr or db).

    we are beginning to need some experience more than youth (afer this draft) and its been a long time since weve been to the promised land and brady wont be here forever. 

    for the record, if we added a player like watt to this team, i think wed be favored to win the sb, not rated the 9th best team in power rankings (finallly dropping to this spot) in most places at the moment (where i  have had us for several weeks).

    consider.....



    My initial thought is, there are no JJ Watt type players in this class (6-5 295 DE's that can do it all), so trying to duplicate him in this class will not work... one could also present Chandler Jones as a reason to feel confident about the potential of landing potential impact talent in the early 20's... which would likely be BB's ceiling if he's looking to move up (on the assumption that they'll be drafting towards the back end of Rd 1).

    For the sake of this exercise, what (2) players are you locked in on (leveraging the entire 2014 draft) as guarantees to be dominant and why?

     



    hey mb, not jj watt duplicate.

    just talking about a dominating dt and de.. the why is explained in my post. the who is up to you individually, me, and bb to figure out. candidates examples jenkins and werner (alternatively jenkins and jordan) with  frederick in 3rd



    there are at least a couple or 3 at de and dt that look they are or could be dominating. so if we moved up to 12-15 we could grab who is available for example at de/olb: j jones, moore, werner, maybe jordan (we could pick the best at the number we can rise to as opposed to hoping the bottom pick makes it to us). of course the option of gambling on the upside of ansah or hunt without trading up exists. id like to be as sure as possible with brady's last few years.



    I think a slight move up to the early 20's is a possible option, but I don't think they have the ammo to move up a lot... don't see them leveraging much from next years draft.  If asked to give my opinion at gunpoint, my feeling is they'll trade back where possible this year to try and acquire additional picks this year or next.

    I'd be very happy with a Jesse Williams or Matt Elam etc., in the back end of Rd 1... assuming both are available.

    Kid's like Stanford OLB/DE Chase Thomas and Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer are also very appealing to me in the top 40 range.

     



    thanks mb, you beat me to the next question (after what woud leveyone like.. what does eveyone expect bb to  do. i too think over 50% cahnce he moves down as thats his pattern.

    however i give a stronger than normale year chance he moves up in rd 1. hes making moves since last years draft showing he sees some urgency.

    a cb or safety in round 1 woudl be disappoinging to me, as i dont thign it woudl amek the defense dominating. a guy on the d line who conistently wins would help tremendously. 2 would make our defense dangersou and give us good cahncesd for the sb



    Problem is, the secondary is their biggest defensive weakness. 



    and has been for years.

    at this point in the gaem, id keep talib and use fa for def backs needed.

    how woudl you feel if we whifffed yet again at a high db pick?


    Same way I'd feel if they whiffed on any high round pick.



    you know as well as i, that bb misses on dbs frequently and on wrs.




    Certainly, that's not debatable, however I don't think it will really change his draft strategy... though I hope it causes them to take a step back, reflect and make changes where needed to how they're evaluating and identifying perimeter talent.



    at teh least. bu tiuve been hoiing that for years. my conclusion is this is a one man operation. and we dotn have the best in the business as support

     
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    FBS WHAT A JOKE. 

    kansas state gets blown out by an unranked team then is # 5 in the bcs?

    joke.

    political (power and money).

    also nd needs to be forced to choose a conference to participate in the bcs. they should not have the advantage of choosing all their games. if nd played in the pac 12, "big 12", or sec, would they be undefeated? maybe. impossible to say. but unfair the way it is now.

    football folowers may note that uconn beat pitt. uconn.

    what if nd was in the acc, clemson is a pretty tough offense.

    well see what happens in the "money league" in college football next year.

    nc looks to be alabam/georgia winner and nd.

    have  a preference mb?

    goergia has come on late in the year.

    but their coach is not near the coach saban is.

    anyone see the lsu ole miss game?

    WHAT A GAME!

    havent seen a better college game all year.

    was in doubt all the way.

    ole miss has made thoir way up in competitiveness to play wiht the big boys.

    they have a geat young qb

    next year, for thos wathing closely, they get the #1 recruit in the country. a pass rushng d lineman who beats triple teams in high school. monster of a kid.

    in 2 years ole miss will  be DANGEROUS it appears (if they continue with the current trend).




    ND still has to go out and handle their business against SC, but given the choice I'd hope to see ND play Bama.  It'd be a good measuring stick game, though there's no doubting that ND is a top level team with an elite D... and if they win, I wanna see how the haters will try and spin it.



    if they won they can say tehy earned it. but i feel other teams (ie sec teams have to do a hell of a lot more to make that nc game). join a conference and the whispers and shouts will die down tremendously.

    winning the sec is much harder than winning a nc in the past several years. anyone who can enetertain an unbiased thought, why do you think nd refuses to join a conference till now.

    with all teh money and politics even an 8 team playoff might not have the best team in the country. certainly it woudl allow a beter cance.

    the top sec teams are not head and shoulders above teh rest of teh teams in the country this year. but they have had to do a lot more than a team from another conference or nd to make it to a nc game. lsu to me looks like a better team right now, than bama, but has 2 losses and is considered out of it.

    anyone who has seen oregon play, oregon is clealry better than nd.

    k state i belive is as well.

    were i polled or the title game, i would give it to oregon over k state, both over nd.

    in the sec i have it lsu 1, bama 2 and oregon the only team that has teh talent to play with them

    at this moment (things change on the field) id vote oregon and lsu in the title game. but could see bama there as well (i have jsut a tick below lsu at moment)

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.

     
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    FBS WHAT A JOKE. 

    kansas state gets blown out by an unranked team then is # 5 in the bcs?

    joke.

    political (power and money).

    also nd needs to be forced to choose a conference to participate in the bcs. they should not have the advantage of choosing all their games. if nd played in the pac 12, "big 12", or sec, would they be undefeated? maybe. impossible to say. but unfair the way it is now.

    football folowers may note that uconn beat pitt. uconn.

    what if nd was in the acc, clemson is a pretty tough offense.

    well see what happens in the "money league" in college football next year.

    nc looks to be alabam/georgia winner and nd.

    have  a preference mb?

    goergia has come on late in the year.

    but their coach is not near the coach saban is.

    anyone see the lsu ole miss game?

    WHAT A GAME!

    havent seen a better college game all year.

    was in doubt all the way.

    ole miss has made thoir way up in competitiveness to play wiht the big boys.

    they have a geat young qb

    next year, for thos wathing closely, they get the #1 recruit in the country. a pass rushng d lineman who beats triple teams in high school. monster of a kid.

    in 2 years ole miss will  be DANGEROUS it appears (if they continue with the current trend).




    ND still has to go out and handle their business against SC, but given the choice I'd hope to see ND play Bama.  It'd be a good measuring stick game, though there's not doubting that ND is a top level team with an elite D... and if they win, I wanna see how the haters will try and spin it.



    Would love to see that matchup



    unless a usc miracle, you will.

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).

     
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    Updated board stack below:

     

    Rd 1

    DE/OLB- Dion Jordan- Oregon

    DT- Jesse Williams- Alabama

    OG- Chance Warmack- Alabama

    OL- Barrett Jones- Alabama

     

    Rd 1-2

    S- Matt Elam- Florida

    DT- Louis Nix- Notre Dame *ADDED 11/19*

    CB- Jordan Poyer- Oregon State

    OLB/DE- Chase Thomas- Stanford

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine- Florida State

    TE- Tyler Eifert- Notre Dame

     

    Rd 2

    S- Robert Lester- Alabama

    DE/OLB- Ziggy Ansah- BYU

    RB- Eddie Lacy- Alabama

    S- Kenny Vaccaro- Texas

     

    Rd 2-3

    CB- Micah Hyde- Iowa

    CB- Bennett Jackson- Notre Dame

    LB- Kevin Minter- LSU

    CB- Logan Ryan- Rutgers

    Rd 3

    CB- Terry Hawthorne- Illinois

    LB- Shayne Skov- Stanford

    WR- Ryan Swope- Tex A&M

    S- Zeke Motta- Notre Dame

    RB- Stepfan Taylor- Stanford

    DE/OLB- Margus Hunt- SMU

    S- Shawn Williams- Georgia

    DT- Abry Jones- Georgia

     

    Rd 7

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore- Notre Dame

    WR TJ Moe- Missouri

    DL- Quinton Dial- Alabama

    WR Chad Bumphis- Miss State

    OG Blaize Foltz- TCU

    S- John Boyett- Oregon

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).



    mb, a poll of best team in the country is not based on how manuy losses. the sf giants didnt win the most games in teh regualr season, it didnt mean they wer not the best team at the time of teh playoffs. i am all for a playoff. decide it on the field. barring that a better system would be the one the ncaa basketball uses to determine the top 64. the current one perople get votes based on the tradition of their team, politics, and money. siince everyone does not play the same teams nor a playoff, the # of lossees should not determine the best teams for the nc. louisville was undefeated  a minute ago, does that mean if they finsihed that way and nd had 1 loss, that louisville should be in the title game and nd shouldnt?

    at the moment i "voted" i saw them as the best team. if they were voted #1, i dont think anyone woudl have a legit complaint unless they played the same teams in the same locations all year and did better. or they beat them in a playoff. if every other level of college and high school football can play a playoff,  ncaacfb can take the corruption and money out of it and have a playoff.

    thanks for the college football discussion / debate.

    peace man.

    see you at the nc game.

     
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    so comments about my thoughts of stealing werner and jenkisn in 1, frderiick in rd 3?

    if we dont trade 2014 to move up from rd 2, what about dt jenkins in 1 (will require a trade up), ansah or hunt in 2 (may require a trade up) and frederick in 3.

     
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    Brandon Jenkins to enter draft

     Brandon Jenkins said the past three months rehabbing a broken foot have provided ample time to think about his future, and Monday he informed Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher he was ready to enter the NFL draft.

     

    The senior defensive end could have accepted a medical redshirt after he suffered a Lisfranc injury in the first quarter of FSU's opening game this season, allowing him to return for 2013. But after turning down an opportunity to enter the draft a year ago, Jenkins decided it's time to test the waters in the NFL.

    Jenkins said his foot has healed enough that he's confident he'll be healthy enough to participate in the NFL combine and various individual workouts in advance of the draft.

     

    thoughts?

     
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    Brandon Jenkins to enter draft

     Brandon Jenkins said the past three months rehabbing a broken foot have provided ample time to think about his future, and Monday he informed Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher he was ready to enter the NFL draft.

     

    The senior defensive end could have accepted a medical redshirt after he suffered a Lisfranc injury in the first quarter of FSU's opening game this season, allowing him to return for 2013. But after turning down an opportunity to enter the draft a year ago, Jenkins decided it's time to test the waters in the NFL.

    Jenkins said his foot has healed enough that he's confident he'll be healthy enough to participate in the NFL combine and various individual workouts in advance of the draft.

     

    thoughts?



    He hurt it early enough in the season that I don't think it will affect his stock since last year. I was hoping he'd come out last year as a mid 2nd round option and this year I'd place him in the same range, a very good player who will be solid in the pro's but not great. That's just my opinion though

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).



    mb, a poll of best team in the country is not based on how manuy losses. the sf giants didnt win the most games in teh regualr season, it didnt mean they wer not the best team at the time of teh playoffs. i am all for a playoff. decide it on the field. barring that a better system would be the one the ncaa basketball uses to determine the top 64. the current one perople get votes based on the tradition of their team, politics, and money. siince everyone does not play the same teams nor a playoff, the # of lossees should not determine the best teams for the nc. louisville was undefeated  a minute ago, does that mean if they finsihed that way and nd had 1 loss, that louisville should be in the title game and nd shouldnt?

    at the moment i "voted" i saw them as the best team. if they were voted #1, i dont think anyone woudl have a legit complaint unless they played the same teams in the same locations all year and did better. or they beat them in a playoff. if every other level of college and high school football can play a playoff,  ncaacfb can take the corruption and money out of it and have a playoff.

    thanks for the college football discussion / debate.

    peace man.

    see you at the nc game.



    Plenty of people would have a complaint considering all (60) voters in the AP gave their 1st place vote to ND. 

    Not sure how you can dismiss current rankings based on money, politics and corruption then vote maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC as the #1 team in the country. 

     
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    Brandon Jenkins to enter draft

     Brandon Jenkins said the past three months rehabbing a broken foot have provided ample time to think about his future, and Monday he informed Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher he was ready to enter the NFL draft.

     

    The senior defensive end could have accepted a medical redshirt after he suffered a Lisfranc injury in the first quarter of FSU's opening game this season, allowing him to return for 2013. But after turning down an opportunity to enter the draft a year ago, Jenkins decided it's time to test the waters in the NFL.

    Jenkins said his foot has healed enough that he's confident he'll be healthy enough to participate in the NFL combine and various individual workouts in advance of the draft.

     

    thoughts?




    I wonder if he'll play in the SB?  He should atleast bet at the combine and will have his pro-day... I think he could work his way back into day 2 with solid performances and confidence from NFL medical staffs.

     
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    Wanted to bring a new name into the discussion around edge players.

    DE/LB John Simon- (6-2 260) Ohio State

    Kid reminds me of of Brooks Reed in terms of size, motor and aggression... his motor really stands out, he's also a physical kid, that makes a lot of plays in the backfield ( 16 sacks, 39 TFL in his career), is well spoken, appears to love the game and would most certainly come at the high recommendation of Urban Meyer and Mike Vrabel. 

    Now the kid doesn't have the ideal length (think Ninkovich, Rob) and is a bit of a "tweener", but you could do a lot worse with a day 2 pick. 

     
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    Another interesting kid day 2 pick from a small college is Quanterus Smith from W Kentucky. 6'5" 250lbs looks like a mid 4.6 - mid 4.7 player on the field and has been tearing it up in the under ranks forcing fumbles and dominating behind the line. At first I thought his game against Ala at the beginning of the season was a fluke but the more I'm looking into the kid the more I like. This kid might be one of my new favorite sleepers. One interesting thing to note is he didn't just boom this year. He's been stadily progressing since he joined the college ranks and seems to take well to coaching. He might be my new binky in the 3rd

     
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    Any of you guys know if the Pats will be receiving  any compensatory picks? I would think bringing in Lloyd would erase one for either Green-Ellis or Anderson and they brought in a lot of FA's this past off-season

     
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    Wanted to bring a new name into the discussion around edge players.

    DE/LB John Simon- (6-2 260) Ohio State

    Kid reminds me of of Brooks Reed in terms of size, motor and aggression... his motor really stands out, he's also a physical kid, that makes a lot of plays in the backfield ( 16 sacks, 39 TFL in his career), is well spoken, appears to love the game and would most certainly come at the high recommendation of Urban Meyer and Mike Vrabel. 

    Now the kid doesn't have the ideal length (think Ninkovich, Rob) and is a bit of a "tweener", but you could do a lot worse with a day 2 pick. 




    Good stuff. I read he was a gym rat as well and always looking to add to his game

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).



    mb, a poll of best team in the country is not based on how manuy losses. the sf giants didnt win the most games in teh regualr season, it didnt mean they wer not the best team at the time of teh playoffs. i am all for a playoff. decide it on the field. barring that a better system would be the one the ncaa basketball uses to determine the top 64. the current one perople get votes based on the tradition of their team, politics, and money. siince everyone does not play the same teams nor a playoff, the # of lossees should not determine the best teams for the nc. louisville was undefeated  a minute ago, does that mean if they finsihed that way and nd had 1 loss, that louisville should be in the title game and nd shouldnt?

    at the moment i "voted" i saw them as the best team. if they were voted #1, i dont think anyone woudl have a legit complaint unless they played the same teams in the same locations all year and did better. or they beat them in a playoff. if every other level of college and high school football can play a playoff,  ncaacfb can take the corruption and money out of it and have a playoff.

    thanks for the college football discussion / debate.

    peace man.

    see you at the nc game.



    Plenty of people would have a complaint considering all (60) voters in the AP gave their 1st place vote to ND. 

    Not sure how you can dismiss current rankings based on money, politics and corruption then vote maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC as the #1 team in the country. 



    lsu is not the 3rd best team in the sec imo (i have them best). you are still looking at rankings/losses. i am discussing who is better on the field. (think nfl power rankings based on 3 of 5 today ie russ francis scale). 

    again, see you at the nc and congrats on quite a year

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).



    mb, a poll of best team in the country is not based on how manuy losses. the sf giants didnt win the most games in teh regualr season, it didnt mean they wer not the best team at the time of teh playoffs. i am all for a playoff. decide it on the field. barring that a better system would be the one the ncaa basketball uses to determine the top 64. the current one perople get votes based on the tradition of their team, politics, and money. siince everyone does not play the same teams nor a playoff, the # of lossees should not determine the best teams for the nc. louisville was undefeated  a minute ago, does that mean if they finsihed that way and nd had 1 loss, that louisville should be in the title game and nd shouldnt?

    at the moment i "voted" i saw them as the best team. if they were voted #1, i dont think anyone woudl have a legit complaint unless they played the same teams in the same locations all year and did better. or they beat them in a playoff. if every other level of college and high school football can play a playoff,  ncaacfb can take the corruption and money out of it and have a playoff.

    thanks for the college football discussion / debate.

    peace man.

    see you at the nc game.



    Plenty of people would have a complaint considering all (60) voters in the AP gave their 1st place vote to ND. 

    Not sure how you can dismiss current rankings based on money, politics and corruption then vote maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC as the #1 team in the country. 



    lsu is not the 3rd best team in the sec imo (i have them best). you are still looking at rankings/losses. i am discussing who is better on the field. (think nfl power rankings based on 3 of 5 today ie russ francis scale). 

    again, see you at the nc and congrats on quite a year



    Thanks, hoping ND can take care of business against SC and get their shot.

    You can't throw out losses in head to head matchups when discussing who is better on the field.

     
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    I think the BCS should look like this:

    1. Notre Dame

    2. Alabama - lost to Texas A+M (#8)

    3. Georgia- lost to South Carolina (#9)

    4. Florida- lost to Georgia (#5)

    5. Oregon- lost to Stanford (#13)

    6. Kansas St. -lost to Baylor (not ranked)




    wasnt stanfor 18 going into that game?

    thanks for weighing in home.

    in a poll (if i had a vote)  i would have lsu 1 right now. poll is best team on the field right now.



    I don't know how you can make a case for LSU as the #1 team when they lost to the (2) best teams that they've played (Bama/Florida).



    mb, a poll of best team in the country is not based on how manuy losses. the sf giants didnt win the most games in teh regualr season, it didnt mean they wer not the best team at the time of teh playoffs. i am all for a playoff. decide it on the field. barring that a better system would be the one the ncaa basketball uses to determine the top 64. the current one perople get votes based on the tradition of their team, politics, and money. siince everyone does not play the same teams nor a playoff, the # of lossees should not determine the best teams for the nc. louisville was undefeated  a minute ago, does that mean if they finsihed that way and nd had 1 loss, that louisville should be in the title game and nd shouldnt?

    at the moment i "voted" i saw them as the best team. if they were voted #1, i dont think anyone woudl have a legit complaint unless they played the same teams in the same locations all year and did better. or they beat them in a playoff. if every other level of college and high school football can play a playoff,  ncaacfb can take the corruption and money out of it and have a playoff.

    thanks for the college football discussion / debate.

    peace man.

    see you at the nc game.



    Plenty of people would have a complaint considering all (60) voters in the AP gave their 1st place vote to ND. 

    Not sure how you can dismiss current rankings based on money, politics and corruption then vote maybe the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC as the #1 team in the country. 



    lsu is not the 3rd best team in the sec imo (i have them best). you are still looking at rankings/losses. i am discussing who is better on the field. (think nfl power rankings based on 3 of 5 today ie russ francis scale). 

    again, see you at the nc and congrats on quite a year



    Thanks, hoping ND can take care of business against SC and get their shot.

    You can't throw out losses in head to head matchups when discussing who is better on the field.



    what re you referring to in head to head matchups (playing the saem team?) of course i wouldnt throw that out.

    heres a discussion not too far akin to what ive been saying (minus the guy trying to compare kansas state loss by 30 points to a non ranked baylor 1-5 in big 12 to gerogias loss to south carolina). pay attention also to the very last sentence.

    "round and round" video

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/

    mb, ddint see you comment on the fortuitiveness of barkley being injured going into this game. thats a HUUGGE break for nd, not that usc defense could stop anyone all year so nd mightve already been going to beat usc.

     
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    so comments about my thoughts of stealing werner and jenkisn in 1, frderiick in rd 3?

    if we dont trade 2014 to move up from rd 2, what about dt jenkins in 1 (will require a trade up), ansah or hunt in 2 (may require a trade up) and frederick in 3.

     
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