***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    mb, to get elam on that board youd have to use your first round pick (maybe trade down a few but you dont get williams too, unless mortgaging 2014).

    they dont list jesse. would you be willlng trade up in rd 1 for williams?

    id go nates route on safety. rather use the $ on a proven guy and use the picks to get what you cant  (dt and des that good).

    (also what's the last db pick bb made that was a big hit in rd 1 or 2?).

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    if we don't resign welker, chung, and vollmer i can for sure see the money available for a proven safety such as byrd or gholdson.  I just don't see a safety worth more than a stud DE or C we could get in the first 2 rounds of the draft.  Plus most safties after those rounds are not normally starting caliber for at least a year or two.  with the injuries on our O-line we really need the help.

     
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    so given the sceanrio of walter's current mock, 

    would you take short, okefor, ansah or hunt at end of rd 1?



    Based on how that board played out, I'd be most tempted by Jesse Williams then Matt Elam.




    Hunt in the second round! use the first round to get a big C, barrett perhaps, so connolly can play guard.



    hey nate, i know you would be the only one to pick an olineman in 1st i was sometimes with you on that last year. would love it this year but i put d line higher and could get a good c/g in 3rd ie think ie frederick. if we got jones i couldnt compalin. however hunt would not be availble late in the 2nd in that scenrio or any real life scenario i see. do you trade up to top of rd 2 to get him?




    walter football has hunt in the 3rd round in their mock, yes i know this might change, but for now it is a reasonable assumption to take him in the 2nd.



    my bad, i see them having him at 63 today. 

    by the way, did you watch the game today?

    that dt need goes way up high. ditto wiht no pressure on the qb.

    altho the o line need is high. i gotta say dt and de studs are the highest needs for me in this draft. followed by center guard.

     
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    very thorough nate. 

    my only complaints

    1. you dont mention letting arrington walk: a must

    2. chung cant cover a lick and earns more than he worth in fa (hes worth nothing to me, i cut ties)

    3. i would try to tag and trade welker if he wont sign reasaonable 3 year offer.

    addendum: i would try to resign volmer to reasonalble contract. his back seems to have healed from last year (but i could go your way as well).

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    I think signing Vollmer is the key.  If he signs with another team and BB can't find similiar talent in free agency, I thnk OT moves to first priority in the draft.  Arrington can walk.  Chung maybe stays.

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    chung might fetch a nice compensational pick especially if vollmer and arrington also go.  Arrington did lead the league in interceptions last season so who knows if a team would spend big bucks on him.  The colts do start butler now.  The reason i didn't decide to tag welker because i believe the value would be over 12 million and i don't see a team giving him 12 million and give us the 1st+ round picks he is worth. 

    I really think King dunlap could be a good guy to replace Vollmer.  check him out.  he is huge and he just has some technique flaws but nothing scar can't fix. While i would love to resign him i just see better use of the $ in bringing in a star safety and signing the low value dunlap to take vollmers place. 

     
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    walter football has hunt in the 3rd round in their mock, yes i know this might change, but for now it is a reasonable assumption to take him in the 2nd.

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    my bad, i see them having him at 63 today. 

    by the way, did you watch the game today?

    that dt need goes way up high. ditto wiht no pressure on the qb.

    altho the o line need is high. i gotta say dt and de studs are the highest needs for me in this draft. followed by center guard.

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    Yeah it was a great game.  I agree that DE/DT is a need i just think our highest prioity is keeping brady healthy and upright.  lets face it our offense wins games for us.  I think Nink and bequette are improving and might be able to help our D-line.  remember jones was not playing as well. 

     
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    very thorough nate. 

    my only complaints

    1. you dont mention letting arrington walk: a must

    2. chung cant cover a lick and earns more than he worth in fa (hes worth nothing to me, i cut ties)

    3. i would try to tag and trade welker if he wont sign reasaonable 3 year offer.

    addendum: i would try to resign volmer to reasonalble contract. his back seems to have healed from last year (but i could go your way as well).



    I think signing Vollmer is the key.  If he signs with another team and BB can't find similiar talent in free agency, I thnk OT moves to first priority in the draft.  Arrington can walk.  Chung maybe stays.




chung might fetch a nice compensational pick especially if vollmer and arrington also go.  Arrington did lead the league in interceptions last season so who knows if a team would spend big bucks on him.  The colts do start butler now.  The reason i didn't decide to tag welker because i believe the value would be over 12 million and i don't see a team giving him 12 million and give us the 1st+ round picks he is worth. 

I really think King dunlap could be a good guy to replace Vollmer.  check him out.  he is huge and he just has some technique flaws but nothing scar can't fix. While i would love to resign him i just see better use of the $ in bringing in a star safety and signing the low value dunlap to take vollmers place. 



i follow your thinking and it makes a lot of sense

 
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    walter football has hunt in the 3rd round in their mock, yes i know this might change, but for now it is a reasonable assumption to take him in the 2nd.



    my bad, i see them having him at 63 today. 

    by the way, did you watch the game today?

    that dt need goes way up high. ditto wiht no pressure on the qb.

    altho the o line need is high. i gotta say dt and de studs are the highest needs for me in this draft. followed by center guard.




  • Yeah it was a great game.  I agree that DE/DT is a need i just think our highest prioity is keeping brady healthy and upright.  lets face it our offense wins games for us.  I think Nink and bequette are improving and might be able to help our D-line.  remember jones was not playing as well. 



    indeed. i aslo remember nink disappears against bigger and better lineman.

    i am hopewfullfor bequette, but was perplexed why he can make it on the field even on third down and long pass rushing.

     

    agree about brady, thats why i have center guard jsut behind de and dt stud and why i focus only on these 3 positions in the draft and woudl use any and all 2014 picks to get teh players we need.

    we are already the 2nd youngest def in league.

    i am only a hair away from your agenda i believe.

    lvoe your strategies. keep developing htem and sharing  them. 

    you do belive hunt will be above the bottom of rd 2 come draft time?

     
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    Dont forget Nate, the Pats have Jake Ballard for next year

     
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    so given the sceanrio of walter's current mock, 

    would you take short, okefor, ansah or hunt at end of rd 1?



    Based on how that board played out, I'd be most tempted by Jesse Williams then Matt Elam.



    mb, to get elam on that board youd have to use your first round pick (maybe trade down a few but you dont get williams too, unless mortgaging 2014).

    they dont list jesse. would you be willlng trade up in rd 1 for williams?

    id go nates route on safety. rather use the $ on a proven guy and use the picks to get what you cant  (dt and des that good).

    (also what's the last db pick bb made that was a big hit in rd 1 or 2?).

    I was referring to the Rd 1 pick, would be looking Williams (they have him going 49th) there, then Elam in that order.

    I'm not at all opposed to bringing in a FA S, though I wouldn't expect them to hand out a huge contract for one.

    I don't see their track record at drafting CB/S as any sort of limiting factor on how they'll approach the 2013 draft.  I think they'll do what they do... stack their board, move up and down as needed and take the best available players at a position of need.

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    They're one of, if not the top teams in the AFC/NFL, so I don't think it's must have that they hit on all (3) picks... with that said, hitting on atleast 2 out of 3 would be a big step towards maintaining continuity (winning football games) and/or improving the talent/depth moving forward. 

    I do hope they address the defensive side of the ball or OL early.

     
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    Happy Thanksgiving from So Cal to all. 

     
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    Happy Thanksgiving from So Cal to all. 




    My man, where you been!?  Happy Turkey Day to you too.

     
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    My man, where you been!?  Happy Turkey Day to you too.

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    Thanks.  It's been a crazy year for me so haven't had time to keep up with things like in the past - divorce, move, business closing, etc.  Hoping to start catching up now that things have settled down a bit.  I think we will see the Pats trading down a lot to gain some more picks.  They certainly cashed most of them in last year and since.

    It's good to be back.

     
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    My man, where you been!?  Happy Turkey Day to you too.



    Thanks.  It's been a crazy year for me so haven't had time to keep up with things like in the past - divorce, move, business closing, etc.  Hoping to start catching up now that things have settled down a bit.  I think we will see the Pats trading down a lot to gain some more picks.  They certainly cashed most of them in last year and since.

    It's good to be back.



    Sorry to hear, man... agreed on trading down... think we'll def see some movement.

    My board stack is in the OP, will level set you on where I stand with prospects to date, though I'll be posting an update soon... glad you're back, was asking about you, 7393 and low, etc. last week.

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    i agree we need to scoop in fa to get most of whats needed. 

    rame what about weighing in on trading into 2013 to move up to get those 2 or 3 studs.

     

     
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    so given the sceanrio of walter's current mock, 

    would you take short, okefor, ansah or hunt at end of rd 1?



    Based on how that board played out, I'd be most tempted by Jesse Williams then Matt Elam.



    mb, to get elam on that board youd have to use your first round pick (maybe trade down a few but you dont get williams too, unless mortgaging 2014).

    they dont list jesse. would you be willlng trade up in rd 1 for williams?

    id go nates route on safety. rather use the $ on a proven guy and use the picks to get what you cant  (dt and des that good).

    (also what's the last db pick bb made that was a big hit in rd 1 or 2?).

    I was referring to the Rd 1 pick, would be looking Williams (they have him going 49th) there, then Elam in that order.

    I'm not at all opposed to bringing in a FA S, though I wouldn't expect them to hand out a huge contract for one.

    I don't see their track record at drafting CB/S as any sort of limiting factor on how they'll approach the 2013 draft.  I think they'll do what they do... stack their board, move up and down as needed and take the best available players at a position of need.



    i agree regardign latter, as ive said i wouldnt sanction it (so my preference)

     
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    Happy Thanksgiving from So Cal to all. 



    welcome back faucet

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    if we dont land the pass rush de by draft, we gotta land one of these guys (pass rushing des) in first round and a half (after the de stud williams or jenkins) and the 3rd rd c/g.

    by the way, where ya been rame?

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    if we dont land the pass rush de by draft, we gotta land one of these guys (pass rushing des) in first round and a half (after the de stud williams or jenkins) and the 3rd rd c/g.

    by the way, where ya been rame?




    Been loving the last two pats games, posting less, very busy, hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

    What do you think of Osi and Byrd in FA?




    Didn't Osi get an extension?

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    if we dont land the pass rush de by draft, we gotta land one of these guys (pass rushing des) in first round and a half (after the de stud williams or jenkins) and the 3rd rd c/g.

    by the way, where ya been rame?




    Been loving the last two pats games, posting less, very busy, hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

    What do you think of Osi and Byrd in FA?



    thanks man! same to you!

    hope your practicing being grateful :)

    last 2 games is on my list (of gratitudes:)

     
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    where the heck are all you guys.

    mb, nix looked the part. he was a MAN today.

    chip kelly has done a helluva job .

    the magically touched irish season coninues....

    told ya youd be in title game.

     
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    anyone think barkley would throw all those picks and lose the game?

    good team but luckier season.

    notere dame byu game, pitt game (hardly powers) saved by the divine (and ref). 

    stanford game saved by the refs (and the conservaive game the coach for stanford called).

     

    did you know florida beat 4 of the top 12 teams? no other team came close to that.

    notre dame legacy aside, the best 2 teams should be in the title game (not the teams with the best record). ohio state next year will have an ok team, play in the weak big 10 and play a p#ss poor out of conf schedule (therefore maybe even ranked #1 because of thier easy road), making a nc even easier. the big east winner will go to a bcs game. horrible.

    good season for notre dame. kelley has done a helluva job.

    notre dame wins the popularitiy contest.

    georgia alabama is going to be a slobber-knocker. 

    whoever survives will have to bring their "a" game to beat the irish and their "destined, golden and divined season".

    i think florida is getting jobbed. no team deserved it more - on the field (even if florida, lsu, bama and georgia are somewhat even. man  an 8 team playoff would be football heaven to watch

    imagine adding irish, oregon, texas a and m, and south carolina or florida state (to an 8 game playoff) and watching it happen on the field. nice dream. it would be pure honey-flowing heaven.

    good day all.

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    if we dont land the pass rush de by draft, we gotta land one of these guys (pass rushing des) in first round and a half (after the de stud williams or jenkins) and the 3rd rd c/g.

    by the way, where ya been rame?




    Been loving the last two pats games, posting less, very busy, hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

    What do you think of Osi and Byrd in FA?




    Didn't Osi get an extension?



    hey nate, been away a minute. yes, you jogged my memory. signed for a lot less than he wanted to sign for to boot.

     
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    Does everybody pretty much feel those 3 picks all need to be hits and the team HAS TO spend 1 on a C/OG and another on a DE/DT.

    Then probably CB, S, WR and rush DE would be the other 4 needs with only 1 pick to use on them.

    Jairus Byrd at S over Chung, keep Talib and hope for Ras-I to give something, go after Osi or Freeney?



    if we dont land the pass rush de by draft, we gotta land one of these guys (pass rushing des) in first round and a half (after the de stud williams or jenkins) and the 3rd rd c/g.

    by the way, where ya been rame?




    Been loving the last two pats games, posting less, very busy, hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

    What do you think of Osi and Byrd in FA?



    rame,

    can you pull any strings with bb to bring in byrd?

     
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    personally i think the bill would have to be stupid to let him go, however who knows their cap situation signing mario williams and mark anderson according to http://nyjetscap.com/Bills/bills2013.php they have 105 million of their 2013 salary cap used up on 45 players.  therefore they have roughly 17 million to spend on 8 players.  sadly plenty of money to spend on Byrd. 

    If we want to poach players, the jets would be much easier being they are in cap hell.  Way too much money to their top 10 players.  However the only player i want from them is mangold, but no way do they let him go with the cap hit they would have to take, plus he is signed till 2017

     
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