***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    thanks for effort ricky. i dotn know if any team knows for sure what their pick would be now or ore than a week from draft day; but i love riffing on what pats could get using all possible mocks.

    ps i think 3-4 qbs go in first, but im hoping for 5



    i don't see any of these 2013 QB prospects going in the top 10. mid 1st - mid 2nd rounds is when i feel the QB's will start going off the board and i too think there will be 4-6 taken in that area. i wouldn't be surprised to see BB trade his round 1 pick to a QB needy team and move back into the top of round 2 where NE's 2 biggest needs (DE, WR) have most value while also picking up an extra pick. 

     



    Hey Ricky, there are a large number of teams who need a QB this year and Alex Smith is the best of the lot available via trade or FA so it would not shock me in the least to see people reach. Look at the Sanchez draft for instance. There was zero way Sanchez should have gone in the top 25 nor Josh Freeman in the top 32 but teams were desperate. That year there weren't a lot of teams looking for QB's either. You can go year by year and see huge reaches just because teams need QB's and this year is helped out by a very weak FA class. I wouldn't be shocked to see 5 QB's go even though I only have 2 with 1st round grades and neither of them are top 25. If QB's were smart they'd come out this draft because of the weak FA market and weak QB class along with all the needy teams out there for QB's. Honestly go down the list and it's scary:

    • Jet's - might go Smith but will look high
    • Buf - the owner allowed said he'll look for one and he telegraphes his picks 2 months in advance
    • Jax - Henne ROFL
    • TB - Freeman ain't cutting it
    • Bal - Flacco ROFL
    • Stl - Might be time to look at replacing Bradford given injures and lack of team performance 
    • Ari - need I say more?
    • Min - Ponder doesn't look like he gets it
    • Dal - time to give up on Romo
    • Oak - Palmer really?
    • SD - Rivers does what again?
    • KC - talk about a QB needy team

    that's 12 teams that you could argue would be looking for a starting QB or at least a high end grooming prospect. Smith and Romo will find other teams. Was might trade away their backup but that still leaves 9 teams. Even if SD and TB decide to stick to their guys that's 7 teams. I can't name 7 QB's worth being picked in the first 2 rounds this draft. I expect to see 3 QB's in the first 20 and another traded up for in the later 1/4 of the 1st with the possibility of a 2nd team to trade up similar to what we saw last year



thats about what i have 3-5 in rd 1 and outlined teams i thought would be looking

 
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    i think kawann short's stcok dropped due to today's game




    I'm trying to like short, due to his size, upside and position, but the same things are written about him no matter what report I look at... we know he has very good talent and can make plays behind the LOS, but questions about his motor/effort/consistency show up everywhere you look.

    I'd much rather UNC's Sylvester Williams inside the Top 64.



    He was a different player I saw yesterday vs early in the season (vs ND I believe). Early in teh season, he was getting penetration - not the cheap ones (uncovered), but ones that he worked hard for using good explosion and technique. Did not see that yesterday. He was pretty much contained by a single OLman throughout the game.



    Sort of the confirms the negatives on him.  I think off all the potential on field red flags for a player, motor/effort issues are the ones that bother me the most.  If you quit or don't always try hard, I don't want you on my team.

     
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    i think kawann short's stcok dropped due to today's game




    I'm trying to like short, due to his size, upside and position, but the same things are written about him no matter what report I look at... we know he has very good talent and can make plays behind the LOS, but questions about his motor/effort/consistency show up everywhere you look.

    I'd much rather UNC's Sylvester Williams inside the Top 64.



    hearing that wms in rd 2 if a tackle is needed a better route

     
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    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

     

    So for me my ideal draft would be:

    1st - Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT

    2nd - Leon McFadden CB

    3rd - Marcus Davis WR

    Trade up 5th - Braden Hanson G/C

    7th - Tyrann Matieu CB

    With those additions I'd be a very happy camper and try to get a coverage LB via FA

     




    Welcome back to the show, mang!

    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

     

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    I could see them addressing in the later rounds (i.e. Cincy’s Travis Kelce, who looks like a solid inline player with some ball skills), but agree that with Ballard due to return next years, there really isn’t a need to address on Day 1, 2.  Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary.

     

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    I’d agree.

     

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    I agree that Wendell has played well… OC isn’t a huge need, though a player that can play multiple positions on the interior def has value.

     

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward.

    I’m not as optimistic on the current crop… believe a game changer at S (i.e Elam) would be a huge benefit.

     

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Agree, all set at RB.

     

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

     

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    Jenkins I can get on board with but Short is a kid that seems to have too many questions around his motor/effort/consistency… for my money, I’d rather have UNC’s Sylvester Williams (6-3 320) on Day 1 or 2.

     

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs.

    Porter looks like a good football player, but at 230 pounds is undersized for NE’s scheme and I don’t see them spending a day 2 pick on a situational player.

     

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    Def an area that could be addressed, below are the kids that I’m high on at this point:

    Bradley Roby- Ohio State (if he declares)

    Jordan Poyer- Oregon State

    Xavier Rhodes- FSU

    Logan Ryan- Rutgers

    Micah Hyde- Iowa

    Darius Slay- Miss St

    Leon McFadden- SDSU

    Melvin White- Louisiana Lafayette

     

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    I fr!gg!n love DeAndre Hopkins in this class, top WR on my board, good size (6-1 200), would be a great fit in NE’s offense… also like Robert Woods, Ryan Swope, Conner Vernon, etc… among others.

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

    Your boy Travis Frederick is this kid… awesome power at the POA, annihilates 2nd level defenders and moves well in space for his size.

    I also like Hansen.

     



    " Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary."

    that was my comment to interest in him.

    but how do you play them all? are we a constant 3 te set gronk, ballard and eifert.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

     

    So for me my ideal draft would be:

    1st - Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT

    2nd - Leon McFadden CB

    3rd - Marcus Davis WR

    Trade up 5th - Braden Hanson G/C

    7th - Tyrann Matieu CB

    With those additions I'd be a very happy camper and try to get a coverage LB via FA

     




    Welcome back to the show, mang!

    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

     

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    I could see them addressing in the later rounds (i.e. Cincy’s Travis Kelce, who looks like a solid inline player with some ball skills), but agree that with Ballard due to return next years, there really isn’t a need to address on Day 1, 2.  Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary.

     

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    I’d agree.

     

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    I agree that Wendell has played well… OC isn’t a huge need, though a player that can play multiple positions on the interior def has value.

     

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward.

    I’m not as optimistic on the current crop… believe a game changer at S (i.e Elam) would be a huge benefit.

     

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Agree, all set at RB.

     

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

     

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    Jenkins I can get on board with but Short is a kid that seems to have too many questions around his motor/effort/consistency… for my money, I’d rather have UNC’s Sylvester Williams (6-3 320) on Day 1 or 2.

     

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs.

    Porter looks like a good football player, but at 230 pounds is undersized for NE’s scheme and I don’t see them spending a day 2 pick on a situational player.

     

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    Def an area that could be addressed, below are the kids that I’m high on at this point:

    Bradley Roby- Ohio State (if he declares)

    Jordan Poyer- Oregon State

    Xavier Rhodes- FSU

    Logan Ryan- Rutgers

    Micah Hyde- Iowa

    Darius Slay- Miss St

    Leon McFadden- SDSU

    Melvin White- Louisiana Lafayette

     

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    I fr!gg!n love DeAndre Hopkins in this class, top WR on my board, good size (6-1 200), would be a great fit in NE’s offense… also like Robert Woods, Ryan Swope, Conner Vernon, etc… among others.

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

    Your boy Travis Frederick is this kid… awesome power at the POA, annihilates 2nd level defenders and moves well in space for his size.

    I also think that UNC OG Jon Cooper will be an All-Pro or at least Pro-Bowler... would be a solid Rd 1 pick.

    I also like Hansen.

     



    " Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary."

    that was my comment to interest in him.

    but how do you play them all? are we a constant 3 te set gronk, ballard and eifert.



    Gronk and Eifert are flex players that can be utlized as big WR's, lining up outside or in the slot.  Don't think you'll see NE go this route with Ballard on his way back, but the thought is intriguing.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

     

    So for me my ideal draft would be:

    1st - Jonathan Jenkins DT/NT

    2nd - Leon McFadden CB

    3rd - Marcus Davis WR

    Trade up 5th - Braden Hanson G/C

    7th - Tyrann Matieu CB

    With those additions I'd be a very happy camper and try to get a coverage LB via FA

     




    Welcome back to the show, mang!

    He guys took a ton of time off but I'm ready to get back into draft mode. I've been rewatching some games and have been thinking about position by position for the draft.

     

    TE: Between Hern, Gronk, Houmanahufkearfd, Fells, Ballard one might not be around next year but we are set

    I could see them addressing in the later rounds (i.e. Cincy’s Travis Kelce, who looks like a solid inline player with some ball skills), but agree that with Ballard due to return next years, there really isn’t a need to address on Day 1, 2.  Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary.

     

    T: Vollmer, Solder, Cannon though I like to add some more depth they have proven to be a very capable T core. Don't think they need to go early here

    I’d agree.

     

    C: I've been impressed with Wendell this year. I don't think they need to go early but getting a C/G towards the middle of the draft might be a real possibility

    I agree that Wendell has played well… OC isn’t a huge need, though a player that can play multiple positions on the interior def has value.

     

    S: I like the move of McCourty to FS and hope it's final. If it is it changes the needs completely. Chung is gone and with Gregory under a reasonable contract, Wilson a 2nd round pick, and Ebner making ST's plays I don't see S as being an issue moving forward.

    I’m not as optimistic on the current crop… believe a game changer at S (i.e Elam) would be a huge benefit.

     

    RB: Ridley and Vereen are clearly the tandom moving forward with Woodhead being Brady's 3rd down binky. Toss in Demps into the mix and that's a dangerous RB core moving forward

    Agree, all set at RB.

     

    Now those are the positions I'm going to not visit for the first coupld days of picks but the area I'm forcing most on right now is the DL. Though the pass rush has improved I think there is still more work to be done. Francis has been a breath of fresh air and I think is going to be a great long term sub and 3rd down interior pass rusher. He also has the flexability to kick out to Nink's position incase of injury which leads me to think they might be happy with the outside rush of Jones and Nink. You than have Bequette and Francis as direct backups and you resign Scott, set at DE imo. But, that only works if you replace Love who's play has slipped to the point where Deadrick and Francis has played on rushing downs lately.

     

    In this case I'm looking at 2 guys, my binky Jonathan Jenkins (who I really believe should be the pick even if we have to move up to the 20's to get him) and Kawaan Shorts (who's stock has taken a slight dip putting him in the 20's also). I honestly believe adding either of these guys will have the biggest impact on the draft for this team

    Jenkins I can get on board with but Short is a kid that seems to have too many questions around his motor/effort/consistency… for my money, I’d rather have UNC’s Sylvester Williams (6-3 320) on Day 1 or 2.

     

    I'm also looking at a coverage 3rd down LB. I'm going to wait until the combine since I haven't seen a ton of drop back LB's so far. One player I'm keeping an eye on though is Sean Porter or even the possibility of Wilson being converted to a SS/LB on passing downs.

    Porter looks like a good football player, but at 230 pounds is undersized for NE’s scheme and I don’t see them spending a day 2 pick on a situational player.

     

    CB is obviously a need if Talib isn't resigned. Ras (if he can stay healthy) could be a good 3rd CB, I don't think Arrington is coming back (he will command more than the Pats will be willing to pay), Dennard looks like the real deal but who do you have after that? I'd like to find another CB even if Talib is resigned and I'd be looking in the 2nd for that guy or a guy who has fallen for off field issues (huge value pick). In this case the guys I don't see flying off of boards but pass the eye test are Leon McFadden, Micah Hyde (might drop a round for minor drinking arrest), and the player who might be the Dennard type of drop this year Tyrann Mathieu

    Def an area that could be addressed, below are the kids that I’m high on at this point:

    Bradley Roby- Ohio State (if he declares)

    Jordan Poyer- Oregon State

    Xavier Rhodes- FSU

    Logan Ryan- Rutgers

    Micah Hyde- Iowa

    Darius Slay- Miss St

    Leon McFadden- SDSU

    Melvin White- Louisiana Lafayette

     

    WR might be a concern regardless if Welker is resigned or not. Either way I still want that 6'2"+ player who can get down the field or play intermediate. Hern might be that guy converting but pretending he isn't that guys I have my eye on are Jordan Matthews, Markus Wheaton (this guy is fast), and the guy I think BB would love Marcus Davis. Don't underestimate Davis. At 6'4" 230 he has sub 4.5 speed. He can play all 3 parts of the field and has deceptive speed. This is a guy I think BB could grow to love given his obvious match up issues with smaller CB's and given the lack of a real QB his low numbers don't reflect his real ability

    I fr!gg!n love DeAndre Hopkins in this class, top WR on my board, good size (6-1 200), would be a great fit in NE’s offense… also like Robert Woods, Ryan Swope, Conner Vernon, etc… among others.

    Of course what Pats draft would be complete without a G/C combo? Though I like a couple of kids in the PS level and I think the G's did well this year it's always worth taking a look at some. One thing I'm looking for though is a road grader. Someone to come out and knock people on their butts with a strong running game. One thing has become clear is the Pats clearly like going to the left side on must need yards. They need to mix that up a little and clearly that needs to start at the RG position. Good thing is RG's you can get late in the draft and Scar clearly has the ability to coach them up. The one guy I see fitting this role well is Braden Hansen. I do think he's a little tall to play C and as a G he needs to gain some weight but he has high potential. I think a year under Scar and grooming and he could be a valiable flex option

    Your boy Travis Frederick is this kid… awesome power at the POA, annihilates 2nd level defenders and moves well in space for his size.

    I also think that UNC OG Jon Cooper will be an All-Pro or at least Pro-Bowler... would be a solid Rd 1 pick.

    I also like Hansen.

     



    " Not gonna lie, would live to see Eifert mixed into this offense… would be scary."

    that was my comment to interest in him.

    but how do you play them all? are we a constant 3 te set gronk, ballard and eifert.



    Gronk and Eifert are flex players that can be utlized as big WR's, lining up outside or in the slot.  Don't think you'll see NE go this route with Ballard on his way back, but the thought is intriguing.



    the riches would be cartoonish........ :)

     
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    Was pretty much expected, but FSU CB Xavier Rhodes will declare for the draft:

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/second-seminole-leaving-fsu-for-draft/

     
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    Just started looking a little more at the Top 100 prospects in this year's class, and by my estimate this draft looks like it could set up pretty well for us.  I would say that our Top needs are DL, WR, G/C, S (if Chung walks, which I believe he will), and CB (I think we re-sign Talib & like Dennard, but still need an upgrade for Arrington).  Based on what I've seen so far, the first 3 rounds of this draft look to be stacked with really good players at our postions of need.  I said it already, but I would love to see us trade our late 1st rounder (hopefully #32!!!!) back into the early to mid 2nd round because I really think there will be great players available at that point, especially if QB-needy teams (and there are plenty of those...) start to panic and reach for mediocre QBs in the 1st round ( the Christian Ponder effect).  Should be a fun "draft season" but I sure hope to be squarely focused on the playoffs until early February!

     
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    In response to ricky12684's comment:

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    Was pretty much expected, but FSU CB Xavier Rhodes will declare for the draft:

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/second-seminole-leaving-fsu-for-draft/



    he could be great in the NFL with his size and skills, but i've seen him take some plays off at FSU. the motor isn't always there.



    Thanks for the feedback, Ricky... I'm getting more and more interested in your boy Melvin White.

     
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    Gotta say, I can't fr!gg!n wait to watch Matt Elam vs. Louisville tonight.

     
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    Gotta say, I can't fr!gg!n wait to watch Matt Elam vs. Louisville tonight.



    i will tape it, will be at gym. 

    go florida!

     
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    Just started looking a little more at the Top 100 prospects in this year's class, and by my estimate this draft looks like it could set up pretty well for us.  I would say that our Top needs are DL, WR, G/C, S (if Chung walks, which I believe he will), and CB (I think we re-sign Talib & like Dennard, but still need an upgrade for Arrington).  Based on what I've seen so far, the first 3 rounds of this draft look to be stacked with really good players at our postions of need.  I said it already, but I would love to see us trade our late 1st rounder (hopefully #32!!!!) back into the early to mid 2nd round because I really think there will be great players available at that point, especially if QB-needy teams (and there are plenty of those...) start to panic and reach for mediocre QBs in the 1st round ( the Christian Ponder effect).  Should be a fun "draft season" but I sure hope to be squarely focused on the playoffs until early February!



    I agree that there should be some pretty good talent in this range.

     
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    Ricky, you said ditto for a lot of the QB's I mentioned basically saying why would you draft high for a QB when you already have one, well because they can't win with those QB's! Why would you keep the same QB's to throw the ball when you can't win with them? It's makes no sense in a QB driven league. A lot of teams would rather take a risk and draft early in hopes that the QB class turns into what we saw last year ( which was thought of not to be overly talented after the first two). We see it every year teams will and do reach for QB's all the time no matter what the draft class looks like.

    Oh with Buf well because it's Buf, lol. Why would you even question that? They telegraph their pick months in advance always have. This year they said they are targetting a QB so they will target a QB

     
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    Man, what happed to Florida's vaunted defense last night?!  Pretty ugly, but congrats to L'Ville & Teddy Bridgewater!  Real statement win for them.  Despite the poor defensive performance by Florida, I thought Elam looked pretty good for most of the night.  Not his best game, but I've seen enough of him by now to make me a believer.  He'll be a very solid NFL safety and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if we drafted him early to start alongside McCourty (Assuming Chung leaves).  A secondary of Talib/Dennard at CB and McCourty/Elam at saftey, with Wilson rotating in as the "Money" player situationally would look pretty good.

     
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    Man, what happed to Florida's vaunted defense last night?!  Pretty ugly, but congrats to L'Ville & Teddy Bridgewater!  Real statement win for them.  Despite the poor defensive performance by Florida, I thought Elam looked pretty good for most of the night.  Not his best game, but I've seen enough of him by now to make me a believer.  He'll be a very solid NFL safety and it wouldn't hurt my feelings if we drafted him early to start alongside McCourty (Assuming Chung leaves).  A secondary of Talib/Dennard at CB and McCourty/Elam at saftey, with Wilson rotating in as the "Money" player situationally would look pretty good.




    They had problems stopping the pass, though Lousiville couldn't do anything on the ground... or atleast that was the case through (3) quarter, before I feel asleep.

    Elam really wasn't tested much in the pass game, played a lot of man out of the slot as well as back deep... I rembember seeing one negative play where he flew in with his head down and missed a tackle, but that was prob it... he blew up a few ball carriers and really demonstrated the phsyciality (Rodney-esque) that I've been seeing... a definite tone setter in the secondary. 

     
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      January 3

    (1:00 PM): Second Spartan going pro … Michigan State junior RB Le'Veon Bell tweeted earlier today that as expcted he is leaving school and will enter the 2013 draft. 

      (11:00 AM): Vols NT to return to school … Tennessee junior NT Daniel McCullers announced via social media on Tuesday night that he would return for his senior season rather than enter the NFL draft. 
     
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    Which underclassman is the biggest surprise to declare for the draft thus far?

     
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    January 3

    (1:00 PM): Second Spartan going pro … Michigan State junior RB Le'Veon Bell tweeted earlier today that as expcted he is leaving school and will enter the 2013 draft. 

    (11:00 AM): Vols NT to return to school … Tennessee junior NT Daniel McCullers announced via social media on Tuesday night that he would return for his senior season rather than enter the NFL draft. 




    Thanks, JJ... time to remove McCullers from my board.

     
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    Which underclassman is the biggest surprise to declare for the draft thus far?




    Arm,

    I haven't seen a player that has made me scratch my head as of yet, but I'll let you know when I do.  They have until Jan 15th to declare.

     
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    PE/Ricky,

    Just watched everything I could find on Vandy WR Jordan Matthews... good length, generally catches the football with his hands, deceiving speed due to his long strides... what I don't see is the sudden/quick footed/COD guy that BB/NC generally target.   Interesting to see if they change there philosophy a bit to target more big bodies.

     
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    Matt Elam and Sharrif Floyd to declare for the Draft:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21487849/elam-floyd-leaving-gators-for-the-nfl

     
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