***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    re:So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush."

    syl wiliams is a dt penetrator ive been mentioning

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    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire"

    my first prefernce is ansah.

    if i cant get him i want rhodes.

    i hope we get the safety in fa, but if not, i think we can get a good safety betweenb rd 2-3 for example in rambo.

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    "still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level."

    this too is one of my needs, pref in fa with only 3 picks (and the last need i address with my fa and draft plan.

    with greater needs i dont go lb in draft (though i suppose bb could fill the interior line need or big ouside wr in fa that latter being too costly for me)

     
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    Do you think there's any chance the Pats take a TE?  Seeing how the Pats have brought in many FA over the years and also how Gronk and Hernandez have missed playing time over the past 2 years leads me to believe there's a chance they spend a pick in this area.

    Thoughts?



    i dont see it.

    next year we carry 4 of 5 (INCLUDING ballard) we have should be enough except for practicve squad maybe




    I like how BB brought in Ballard off waivers and I'm excited to see this guy play next year but I have few questions about him. 1. He's had about 2 or 3 injuries now in 2years so is he a guy that'll be always on/off the injury report. 2. Diffrent Offense 3. 38 career receptions and 4 tds doesn't make him a lock for that 3rd TE spot. I like his potential though!

    I'm not saying thy should spend a 1st or 2nd on one but I like this TE class and think it wouldn't hurt to add a guy like Michael Williams or Jake Stoneburner



    i see, so you think one of these guys might beat out ballard in camp / preseason?




    Not exactly. I like having Ballard here but want them to use maybe a mid to late round pick on one to give him competition. With all the injuries at TE and how important they are in the offense, they should carry 4 anyway. Not a big fan of Fells but I like Hooman though so maybe they're all set but would love the added competition and there are some good TE's in this draft

     
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    In looking at the DTs in our range, Williams and Jenkins, neither appear to be the type of player that will get pressure up the middle on a QB.  Below are scouting reports I saw:

    WILLIAMS:

    WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

    Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

    JENKINS:

    WEAKNESSES: Provides little in terms of an interior pass rush. Is simply too wide to not get slowed down while squeezing through tight gaps in the interior line and has only phone booth quickness.

    Wears down quickly and will need to be substituted often to be fully effective in the NFL. Allows his pad level to rise as he tires, which negates his strength.

    So, if gaining interior pressure from these guys is the prime motivator to take them with the eye to replace Love/Deaderick next to VW, it doesn't appear either athlete will provide the hoped pass rush.

    I'm still leaning towards big physical CB or Strong Safety as my top desire but still would like to see more speed and pass coverage ability at MLB.  When teams hurry up against us, Spikes is exposed.  He is not a 3 down LB in my opinion.  I am wondering how Hightower would do if moved inside since he is faster (not sure if quicker or more instinctive) than Spikes and we could then either add an OLB or MLB to improve our speed at the second level.

    I do think we are limited in our depth at LB in general.  I don't want to see Ninkovich back there.  He was a disaster when he played for Spikes in Week 17.  Tracy White and Niko Koutouvides are UFAs after the season and Dane Fletcher is restricted and coming off a knee.  This leaves us just Rivera after starters Hightower, Spikes and Mayo.  Dropping a DE back like Ninko or Cunningham only slows us down.

    What do you guys think of Stanford's Chase Thomas?  6-4, 248 with some speed seems to be a good play maker and shows ability to get in the back field and make plays.  I remember being impressed with him against Cal where he had 4 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FF and 1 FR.  Seems like an end of Round 2 type and I would think be a smart player.  I don't see him on Mb's board.

     

     

     



    I'm not completely sure on Jenkins truthfully. I've watched him a lot and most of the time he is double or tripled team while having the RB as a back up blocker. He gets into the backfield a lot and disrupts a large number of plays forcing RB's and QB's away from the pocket. In a way I see a lot of Wilfork's college career in Jenkins. Actually I bet if you put what scouts said side by side they'd have a lot of similarities. But if you have both Jenkins and Wilfork next to each other there aren't enough blockers to stop both. You can't put a full body into both guys and both are strong enough to push through doubles at angles. Conditioning might be an issue but again from watching him, he might not make the plays but he forces plays away from him because he's so disruptive.

    As for J Williams, the guy is one of the strongest DL in the draft. The reason he might be a one trick pony at this point is he only recently started to play football and doesn't have all the years of experience developing moves to beat blockers. Williams is more of a raw talent but he has great upside.




    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

    The combo of Welker/Edelman both being UFAs makes me wonder if we might target one but slot receivers can often be found late in the draft and I think Ebert would tend to be a slot and Welker will be back under the tag.  So, maybe go with a DB in round 1, a LB in round 2 then a big physical WR in round 3 if the stud DTs are gone.



    i hve db, o line, wr or db wr, o line

     
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    Quick question.


    Who, likely to be on the board at 32 and/or 64, could project to beat out any of our current starters by Week 1-8?

    I don't see it.  This draft is for depth and future so I would not be shocked to see BB trade back and out as much as possible.

     

     

     

     

     




    If Jessie Williams or Jenkins is available, I could see them lining up next to Vince in week 1. At #64 I'm going by position instead of player and I would say SS? This is based on if they keep all their current starters




    So Kyle Love is considered the weakest link?  Not sure I agree.  He's pretty stout against the run.  But Williams and Jenkins are bigger and could develop into better pros.



    Originally I thought Ninkovich but he's done a great job this year. I like Love alot and he should be in the rotation but yes I would say him or Gregory ( and maybe I'd even lean towards Gregory as the weaker link at this point) but I think we need more big bodies up front. Someone who can play the run and collapse the pocket would be great and free up Vince as well



    these were my thouhgts going into the draft. pass rushing de and dt yo describe. wiht all teh priorities i see and wiht the 3 picks i jsut dont see teh need as high for the dt. though one of the guys im highest on, ansah, can play inside or outside. he will get a lot stronger as well imo. hes already pretty strong fighting offf double teams by the irish.

    id have no problem moving up for ansah.

    same for rhodes.

    2 players i lke most in rd 1 right now who may be available within reach.




    I agree if the right guy like Ansah for example is available then they should. I like the depth at DT and DE so they don't need a lot of prospects just some really good ones to push for starting spots.



    "they don't need a lot of prospects just some really good ones to push for starting spots."

    exactly pred!

    what ive been saying for over a year.

     
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    Do you think there's any chance the Pats take a TE?  Seeing how the Pats have brought in many FA over the years and also how Gronk and Hernandez have missed playing time over the past 2 years leads me to believe there's a chance they spend a pick in this area.

    Thoughts?



    i dont see it.

    next year we carry 4 of 5 (INCLUDING ballard) we have should be enough except for practicve squad maybe




    I like how BB brought in Ballard off waivers and I'm excited to see this guy play next year but I have few questions about him. 1. He's had about 2 or 3 injuries now in 2years so is he a guy that'll be always on/off the injury report. 2. Diffrent Offense 3. 38 career receptions and 4 tds doesn't make him a lock for that 3rd TE spot. I like his potential though!

    I'm not saying thy should spend a 1st or 2nd on one but I like this TE class and think it wouldn't hurt to add a guy like Michael Williams or Jake Stoneburner



    i see, so you think one of these guys might beat out ballard in camp / preseason?




    Not exactly. I like having Ballard here but want them to use maybe a mid to late round pick on one to give him competition. With all the injuries at TE and how important they are in the offense, they should carry 4 anyway. Not a big fan of Fells but I like Hooman though so maybe they're all set but would love the added competition and there are some good TE's in this draft



    so comp for hooman sounds like. cool

    sure if you find a guy who ends up being a serious weapon with  alow pick and who can fill if gronk or ballard have issues, great.

    with out picks id only risk a 7th, unless its a 6th next hyear plus  a7th this year for a low rd pick kind of thing

     
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    they resurrected the wrong draft thread. can anyone reach these guys?

     
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    It looked like the board was fixed, but.... did we lose all the posts here?

     
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    can someone reach bdc to retrieve our actvie thread?

     
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    awesome theyre all back.

    phew. that woulda sucked if all those posts were gone.

    nfl.com just got 4 mocks up.

    there are a lot of surprises. a lot of players we are linking are a lot higher than we predicted.

    but they have like 1 qbin rd 1.

    2 have ansah goen in top half rd 1, other 2 in reach at 25.

    2 hAVE rhodes gone at 13, 2 dont have him in teh 1st rd

    1 has frederick at 26!

    1 has carradine at pats pick (31)

    2 have floyd gone by 28.

    and on.

    some surprises.

     

     
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    by the way, havent seen comment on my mentioning of syl williams or floyd as dts to bring pressure up the middle as some have said we need. these guys are penetrating dt's who could rush the passer aas opposed to jenkins or williams who are more cloggers. 

    if we had 2 rd 1's i could see it. but it's not my top  priority. not that i dont see it as a need.

     
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    Yeah, I figured both players saw a lot of doubles and you're right, You can't double VW, CJ and another stud DT.  But I think Love has come on and not sure we gain all that much near term.  Deaderick will be back, not sure about Brace but we have some big bodies.  BB will have to decide if one are there at 32 which I'm not sure they will be vs. going back 7.

     

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    Faucetman, Brace already been cut.

     
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    On the topic of "Players that don't have elite physical measurables that I'd love to see in Foxboro", there is a new player at the top of my list.

    Syracuse S Shamarko Thomas- Kid measured in at the Shrine Game at a shade under 5-9 (5087 to be exacty), but weighed in at 217 pounds... 217 pounds!

    What I like even more is that he's prob a 4.3 kid and possibly the most physical player that I've seen on tape this year.  He's instinctive, ultra-aggressive, can click/close quickly, takes good angles to the football, is one of the better tacklers that I've seen from the S position (very good in the open field) and will look to tear your head off or at the very least dislodge the football from you... def a Bob Sanders type player... a 5-9, football seeking missile that's programmed with direct cooridinance to seek a destroy... alright, I'm getting ahead of myself a bit, but this kid has me excited... if he's (2) inches taller, he's off the board in Rd 1, IMO, but he'll prob be around on Day 2 due to his height.  He's gonna make one teams GM/Coach look very smart.

     
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    There was alot of talk during the playoff game against the Texans about the Patriots tempo.  The announcers were saying how the NFL is a copycat league and more teams will try to run the same hurry up offense like the Pats.  

    If that's the case, which types of defensive players will be in higher demand?  More versitile players?  Faster and lighter?  I'm kind of curious to see how this will change the draft.

     




    Hybrid guys imo. MB mentioned Devonte Holloman who could be good to play LB/S. If teams try to run the no-huddle looking for good matchups to prevent the D from substituting then guys that have versatility will have a lot of value

     

    I don't think half the league is good/smart enough to run it effectively and they don't have the luxury of a having a Gronk and Hernandez who are great recievers and create matchups problems. I could see a run on TE's in this draft with a lot of them going early



    Holloman measured in at 6014-246 at the shrine game, that's huge... def curious to see what he'll run the combine!

     
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    +1. Jenkins won't run around anyone but has the ability to push them back. What do you think of his work ethic? I don't want another Haynesworth here (though I doubt we'll ever see someone that lazy in the league ever again) I think he could be in a little better shape and lose some weight without it affecting his game

     




    From watching him, his motor isn't an issue to me. He tries hard ever play and doesn't give up on plays unless they are way downfield. His issue is conditioning. He just doesn't have the conditioning to last on 3 downs. Right now he's a force because of his bulk and I think the majority of his college career was building and maintinaing the bulk to be an anchor. Yes he could stand to lose 10 lbs and get better conditioned but having Wilfork their to help show the guy proper conditioning is a huge for him. With proper conditioning and Love coming in to spell both on occassion and the usual rotation of speed rushers on long 3rd downs BB tosses out I don't see it being a big issue

     
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    Dion Jordan: Ducks LB Dion Jordan to have surgery (labrum) Dion Jordan - DL - OR - Jan. 8 - 11:33 am et

    Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.
    We had feared this news, and now Jordan is almost certainly going to miss the Senior Bowl. Many players have historically missed postseason events due to a number of reasons and still earned first-round selections, and Jordan could do the same. Still, his versatility in space and as a rusher would've been fun to see in Mobile. Besides this recent injury, Jordan does not have a long medical report during his time at Oregon. Jan. 8 - 11:33 am et
    Source: Tony Pauline on Twitter

     

     

     

    Not sure if this was already mentioned.  I wonder if this will make him drop.  He will miss the Senior Bowl not sure about the combine.



    Thanks for the heads up, JJ.  I don't see it having a huge effect on his draft position, still expect him to come off the board in the top 15-20.

     
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    There was alot of talk during the playoff game against the Texans about the Patriots tempo.  The announcers were saying how the NFL is a copycat league and more teams will try to run the same hurry up offense like the Pats.  

    If that's the case, which types of defensive players will be in higher demand?  More versitile players?  Faster and lighter?  I'm kind of curious to see how this will change the draft.



    I think it calls for more versatility (something BB already places a ton of value in) and better conditioning from defensive players, though at the end of the day, it's still all about who wins the battle at the LOS, if you can run plays quickly, but you can't block me, then the speed at which you run plays really means little.

     
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    by the way, havent seen comment on my mentioning of syl williams or floyd as dts to bring pressure up the middle as some have said we need. these guys are penetrating dt's who could rush the passer aas opposed to jenkins or williams who are more cloggers. 

    if we had 2 rd 1's i could see it. but it's not my top  priority. not that i dont see it as a need.




    Sylvester Williams is the #3, or you could even call him the #2B DT on my draft board, so I'm a fan.. big active kid, athletic, good burst off the snap, active hands, great effort... he's primarily a 43 DT in UNC's scheme and while he's put up some good sack/TFL #'s, it's not really indicative of what he'd do in NE where DT's are expected to eat blocks, control gaps, push the pocket from the inside, etc.   Again, big Vince is as good a 34 NT or interior DT as their is and his career high in sacks is 3.5. 

     
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    Time to add a new name to the WR discussion:

    South Carolina WR Ace Sanders (5-8 175) will be declaring for the draft.  This kid has elite quicks, fluidity and COD directions skills, looks like a legit 4.4 player, is a bigtime weapon with the ball in his hands and can impact as a PR man, (ranked 6th nationally with 15.32 per PR, to go along with 2 TD's which tied for 2nd).  He looks like a good fit for what NE likes to do offensively... I'd project him as a Day 2 kid at this point.

     
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    Chip Kelly to Eagles....

    What are implications for how they might draft? Expectation is for him to implement his uptempo offense. Does he have the right personnel in the current team? 

    Is Foles the right QB (I am assuming Vick is out and Edwards does not show promise)? Kelly's QBs in Oregon like throwing bullets and have very good legs. Where does he get the right QB? Does he draft one? Which round? And which QB?

    Does he have the receivers and RB? 

    Til this news I was on the camp believing only one QB will be taken in the first round. I believe Alex Smith will be available. So could Rivers (if SDC is smart enough to find a deal for him). 

    This news could change the draft dynamic. Smith does not come across to me as the type of QB who could run Kelly's offense. Neither could any of the potential FAs. I think he will have to find his second QB (next to Foles) in the draft.

     
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    I think if they go after a DT in the draft or FA, it should be a pro-bowl caliber type guy. I like what Love, Deadrick and Francis all bring. So that gives you 4 Dts including VW. Love is the heaviest of those 3 (listed at 315 but I'm guessing he's heavier than that, 325 maybe? If they add a stud 340+ and put him next to Vince, who is going to bother to run up the middle on them anymore? They could both push the pocket back while CJ and RN rush the outside and it would trap the QB. I think a pressure can be just as good as a sack in some cases because it'll set someone else up to get a sack or force the QB to make a dumb decision

     



    I agree, unless it is one heck of a stud DT who can do better than Love/Deaderick/Brace or be the next Wilfork, I'm not sure this is a place I would spend our top pick.  Let's face it, there won't be the next VW at pick 30-32.  It would take Williams or Jenkins probably a year or two to be as good as Kyle Love, IMO.  Both players will likely be gone anyway.

     

    Because of my past point that our secondary and the pass coverage aspect of our D will always be tested most because of our high powered offense usually getting out ahead to big leads forcing teams to pass, our emphasis should be on strengthening this part of our defense.  Also, I've shown in past posts that BB drafts as much for contractual reasons and player age as he does "need", a detailed study of who we are likely to lose over the next 1-2 years would be helpful.  A stable roster that is financially responsible are hallmarks of the BB and BK era.


    Guys we have with 10+ years of experience counting 2013 are:


    Tom Brady (14)

    Deon Branch (12)

    Brandon Llyod (11)

    Vince Wilfork (10)

    Tracy White (10)

    Niko Koutouvides (10)

    Wes Welker (10)


    Like we saw when we drafted 2 TEs and 2 RBs in a single year based on age and contractual issues, we could see us actually spend two picks on WRs this year assuming we don't do anything in F/A considering we have 3 WRs with 10+ years experience and one who will be a F/A.  WR is perhaps the most unstable position in terms of roster stability on the team.

     

     
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    I think if they go after a DT in the draft or FA, it should be a pro-bowl caliber type guy. I like what Love, Deadrick and Francis all bring. So that gives you 4 Dts including VW. Love is the heaviest of those 3 (listed at 315 but I'm guessing he's heavier than that, 325 maybe? If they add a stud 340+ and put him next to Vince, who is going to bother to run up the middle on them anymore? They could both push the pocket back while CJ and RN rush the outside and it would trap the QB. I think a pressure can be just as good as a sack in some cases because it'll set someone else up to get a sack or force the QB to make a dumb decision

     



    I agree, unless it is one heck of a stud DT who can do better than Love/Deaderick/Brace or be the next Wilfork, I'm not sure this is a place I would spend our top pick.  Let's face it, there won't be the next VW at pick 30-32.  It would take Williams or Jenkins probably a year or two to be as good as Kyle Love, IMO.  Both players will likely be gone anyway.

     

    Because of my past point that our secondary and the pass coverage aspect of our D will always be tested most because of our high powered offense usually getting out ahead to big leads forcing teams to pass, our emphasis should be on strengthening this part of our defense.  Also, I've shown in past posts that BB drafts as much for contractual reasons and player age as he does "need", a detailed study of who we are likely to lose over the next 1-2 years would be helpful.  A stable roster that is financially responsible are hallmarks of the BB and BK era.


    Guys we have with 10+ experience heading counting 2013 are:


    Tom Brady (14)

    Deon Branch (12)

    Brandon Llyod (11)

    Vince Wilfork (10)

    Tracy White (10)

    Niko Koutouvides (10)

    Wes Welker (10)


    Like we saw when we drafted 2 TEs and 2 RBs in a single year based on age and contractual issues, we could see us actually spend two picks on WRs this year assuming we don't do anything in F/A considering we have 3 WRs with 10+ years experience and one who will be a F/A.  WR is perhaps the most unstable position in terms of roster stability on the team.

     




    I think Williams starts Day 1 if they take him.

    In regards to WR I agree that there is some potential instability there due to age and with WW (hopefully they atleast tag him) and Edelman both being FA's.  Could very well see them target a WR in the high rounds (Hopkins is my #1 guy) and in FA, whether it be their own players or someone else, like a Hartline or Amendola (who might also get tagged?) or Donnie Avery or Brandon Gibson or maybe a RFA like Emmanuel Sanders.

     
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    If you are the Pats and J. Williams and B. Jones are both on the board who would you prefer?

     
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    In response to nyjoseph's comment:

    If you are the Pats and J. Williams and B. Jones are both on the board who would you prefer?




    Happy with either, but I have Williams higher on my board.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In response to nyjoseph's comment:

     

    If you are the Pats and J. Williams and B. Jones are both on the board who would you prefer?

     




    Happy with either, but I have Williams higher on my board.

     




    I think that's the way I'd go too.  VW has been durable but it's time to get him some help.

     
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    Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***

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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

     

    In response to nyjoseph's comment:

     

    If you are the Pats and J. Williams and B. Jones are both on the board who would you prefer?

     




    Happy with either, but I have Williams higher on my board.

     

     




    I think that's the way I'd go too.  VW has been durable but it's time to get him some help.

     

    Plus, who wouldn't want this on their defense? ;)

     

     
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