Re: ***2013 Patriots Draft Thread V2***
posted at 10/9/2012 3:18 PM EDT
In response to PatsLifer's comment:
I agree that we should look for someone next to Wilfork. Question is, do you look at a kid like jenkins who is also a mammoth run stopper, or someone a bitquicker that can push the pocket and be disruptive? Asmuch as I love Wilfork, he's not exactly a threat to rush the passer from the interior.
Also agree with upgrading nink...question..is Cunningham ready to progress more and be a nice bookend to jones? We may already have our de of the future to upgrade nink if folks think he can continue to progress. Thoughts?
This might sound crazy and not economically feasible, but how much could we save if mankins was let loose? Could we get a 2nd rounder for him? I knowit sounds crazy but I really think we should consider it given his injuries and the potential to start cannon at lg. we could then draft another tackle with whatever we could get for mankins. Takers? This may also free up some cash to keep Wes which I believe we should retain him.
spam the lone wolf and think Chung should not be retained unless it is done very cheaply. I think with another year in the system, Wilson would be better and Chung just makes too many mental gaffes for me. I like Gregory even less. Move one of our cb's to safety. I like the starting duo of Wilson and dowling, Dennard and McCourty start at cb, with Arrington in the slot.
I think you are underestimating what both Jenkins and Wilfork do to the passing game. Try they won't put up numbers similar to the pass rushing threats around the league but they can be just as disruptive to the passing game. Really a QB needs a clean pocket to step up into to make a strong accurate through. What both Jenkins and Wilfork do is push 2 OL straight backwards preventing the QB to step up into the pocket. This has a couple of effects that are very noticable:
- Forces the QB towards the edge rushers namely Nink and Jones
- A QB on the run away from the middle doesn't provide the best football protection leading to more fumbles
- Not being up to step up into the pocket decreases accuracy drastically resulting in lower completion % and higher ints
- Not being able to step up into the pocket decrease distance to which a QB can throw
Those factors are huge in the passing game and one huge reason Jenkins numbers are deceiving. When looking at both Jenkins and Wilforks numbers you can clearly see a pattern when they are playing to their level. The DE's around them become more productive and the opposing QB's pass completion and QB rating decrease. In addition having to large walls also prevents QB scrambles and draw plays. This forces the ball outside where this team has really been built (Jones, and Nink can set an edge. Hightower and Mayo both know how to close the edge. Finally Arrington and McCourty are 2 of the best at containing the edge). Completely taking away a running game makes the game 1 dimensional and puts the QB even more at risk as OL's do suffer from fatigue if asked to keep 4 players in the center to deal with 2 big bodies every play. In addition comes the benefit that since you have 2 large bodies 3 OL can't possibly hope to contain both bodies and they then have to commit to keeping a TE in or RB in for the extra blocking.
BTW watch Jenkins on film he is extrememly explosive of the snap. I saw one play where his large mitt almost nailed the ball of the exchange between the C and QB
As for Cunningham I don't see him as a solution at all. If anything his current role shows he'll never be anything but a pass rushing specialist. Proof is in the plays the use him. If it's 3rd <3 to go he's not in their for risk of the draw. He's only placed in passing situations only and never used in rushing situations. If it's one thing you can say about Nink is he is extremely good at setting and controling an edge, not to mention his ability to snif out screens. I'm thinking if we were to replace Nink we'd replace what he does the best first and hope the person who replaces him has raw potential or already developed pass rushing moves