Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***
posted at 12/31/2013 3:56 AM EST
In response to speedster81's comment:
A few draft thoughts:
1) Has anyone had a chance to check out Odell Beckham Jr WR LSU ? Very impressed with him. Best comparison is a better Mike Wallace. He seems to be just as fast as Wallace, has huge soft hands, runs crisp routes, returns Kicks and Punts and most importantly he is averaging more than 20 YPC in the SEC. If I recall correctly, he is at about 50 catches and 1100 yards. Even though the arguement can be made that we are well stocked at WR, it is not often you get a chance to draft a potential no 1 WR who would double up as a great KR/PR. The idea of him lined up across from Dobson would most certainly force teams to play majority of defensive snaps with 2 deep Safeties thus opening up seams for Edelman/Amendola/Gronk. 2 deep Safeties also implies at most a 7 man box which Ridley/Blount/Vereen would feast on. In a game where success is determined by mismatches, Odell Beckham is one of the better ones out there and unlike guys like Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins and Marqise Lee, he will most likely be available when we pick at the end of the 1st round.
2) I wonder why more is not being said about Trent Murphy DE Stanford. Guy seems to generate more pressure per pass rush opportunity than almost any DE in this draft. He is also a stud against the run. He is up to about 14 sacks and a bunch of TFL this season. IMO if he is there when we pick, then we should run and not walk to hand in the card. Ninkovich is currently first for number of snaps played and Jones is top 10, a great 3rd DE who could reduce the number of snaps played by those 2 will go a long way to making our DL even more effective. I am not convinced Buccanan or Bequette are those guys. Morgan Breslin DE USC and Marcus Smith DE Louisville would be great 4th options for DE. Picture a DE group of Jones, Ninkovich, Murphy and Breslin/Marcus Smith. Im drooling at the thought of it .....
3) Not really excited about the TE prospects in this draft with the exception of Ebron who will most likely not be available when we pick. ASJ seems to have trouble getting open and I'm troubled by the fact that he is seldom targeted by his QB. Amaro might be a good one but faced with the choice between him and Trent Murphy, I would go with Murphy as I think he is the better overall player. Fiedorowicz is a good player but a bit underwhelming. Beginning to think Lyerla as a late round pick is the best way to go.
1) I've loved Beckham for a while. I was hoping he would fly under the rader to some extent. I think he'll "have a good combine" bringing him closer to the "top tier" when draft time comes around. I actually like him more than Lee, in terms of value for a few reasons.
First I actually prefer Beckham to make a tough catch more than Lee. Lee tends to body catch a lot of balls. He tries to use the same technique to high point a ball as well and come's up short. Beckham is a hands catcher. Huge hands. He has shown time and again that he can pluck a ball over the middle and take a big hit.
Second, while Lee is a very good route runner, Beckham is also able to run the entire tree and run it very well. You can line him up anywhere on the field and he's a threat to make a big play.
He has short area quickness and burst and jumps out at you when you watch him. Great run after the catch ability. I think you get him into an NFL training program and he could be a very good player for us.
Theres a few interesting players at WR in this years draft. Maybe some decent finds. Some big kids, 6'3-6'5 types with pretty good potential.
2) Murphy looks like a good player. I have to say I'm a little worried about his intial burst/jump off the los. And when he stops moving his feet he's very unproductive. Kind of depends who's on the board with him.
3) I have to disagree with you on ASJ. He's def not the fastest guy but I don't share that concern. He has great hands and knows how to operate with a defender on him. Has a great catch radius and can line up in different positions to get some space if needed. Would be a great add in the red zone. Get him in an NFL training program and add some muscle to his huge frame and he could be a force. I really think that is his biggest weakness. And thats something that you can fix.
3a) I also love Lyerla. Actually I love his value. This kid reminds me a little bit Q-Boldin, A-Hern and V Davis. He has very good straight line speed and can add at least 5-10 lbs on his frame. Monster athlete at 6'5/245. Very agile and has great burst. He can literally ine up anywhere to showcase both traits. He's great running the seam and will break away from defenders. And can take a quick out or bubble screen 8-12 yards and make some people miss. Or in his case run threw some tackles. I don't think I've ever seen him get tackled by just one guy. It usually takes a few guys. He shows great fight whether he's blocking or running after the catch. I think he would be a steal past the 3rd round.
3b) I like C.J. Fiedorowicz a lot. He doesn't have Jenkins athletic ability and looks a little stiff sometimes. He might not have much shake to him, but has good straight line speed, good hands and good body control for a huge kid. Unlike Jenkins C.J. looks like he actually wants to block and takes pride in it. He's much better taking on physical defenders than Jenkins. Who has been handled by some guys not known for their physical prowess. I wouldn't be mad at all if we double dipped at TE and took both C.J. and Lyerla.
It's amazing what this team has accomplished with so many key injuries. Just crazy how many very good-great players we lost this year. Despite that I really do like our chances going foward. However I get really excited thinking at what we could look like next year healthy and some solid work in FA/Draft. It'll be very interesting to see how we attack filling up some holes. I dont want to overreact, in terms of the DT/NT position. Even if 'Fork isn't close to himself. We have some guys playing now that would be solid depth on our roster. Plus Kelly and Armstead. We really only need a solid run defender that we can depend on.
I wouldn't mind McCullers in the 3rd/4th at all. Best run stopper in the draft and will automatically command a double team. He's an absolute monster that plays with good functional strength and leverage. He's versatile and can/will play NT/DT. He may not be athletic enough and have good enough feet to get around defenders, but he can def push a pocket and create holes for Jones on a stunt or a blitiz from Mayo.