***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    I don't know rameakap, Edelman has proven to be more than just another part for the Pats. The guy is a big-time player. I know many will bite my head off for this but I'd rather give him the big bucks than either Talib or Blount. I still see the latter two as to risky for anything more than a 2-year deal at medium money. Given how they were both sent packing out of Tampa Bay should have some effect on their offers.

     
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    We can quible about specifics but I agree about Mack and a very good TE prospect. I am not sure we will get Mack and so we need an alternative to upgrade C and/or RG.

    There is another problem. I really do not think anyone will give a 2nd for Mallet (and Thompkins, who, by the way, I like). MAYBE a 3rd... maybe. 

    I also like SPikes but I suspect he has played his last game here.

     
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    Not sure why anyone would be talking about a slot receiver. We have two who can do that and if we do not sign Julian we still have one. Plus the three complimentary rookie WRs should be improved from this year.

    Regarding TEs, while I like the idea of the next "Hernandez" (player not killer), my preference would be for a potential all purpose TE who might be GOOD starting material once he masters the system. A guy who is at least a GOOD blocker and a good receiver. If he is going to be better at one than the other I would acually opt for the blocking to be his strength as I still expect Gronk to come back (again!). But in any case he should be solid in both areas as he may end up a regular starter.

     

     
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    My predictions and hopes:

    Before draft: Trade Mallett for a second round pick. Maybe with like Kenbrell and a 7th to add enough to get that done. Sign a Cassell, Hoyer, McGown, Orton or some other solid veteran backup to Brady, who has 4 more seasons in him. Keep Talib, Edelman and Blount. Only splash in free agency is C Alex Mack, borderline all-pro. Good riddance Wendell and Spikes.

    Round 1 - If one of TE's Amaro and Ebron are  there grab one! I say they are both gone so Pats trade down to pick 36. Oakland is drafting right in front of Atlanta. Falcons would be a team that could take Seferian-Jenkins (to replace Gonzalez) if he gets to them. Oakland can take a crazy skill guy in round 1 and then take Tajh Boyd w/ our pick and avoid any of the early 2nd rd pick teams scooping him up. So say they give up picks in rd 2/3 for our picks in 1/6.

    Round 2 (36) - TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins - Solid 1st option learn on the fly until Gronk comes off 6 week PUP. Then an awesome 2nd TE to replace what was lost with Hernandez.

    Round 2 (somewhere in the middle for Mallett) - S Dion Bailey or Craig Loston - Both are big, fast SS ballhawk types that would complement McCourtey and move guys like Harmon and Gregory to the bench. One Wilso is probably done and the other stinks.

    Round 2 (64) - DT/DE Dominique Easley - Trusting his florida connections BB gets a guy who will go on the 6 week PUP to start but could be the stud 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE who gets after the QB and takes the pressure off Jones this team is desperate for. Current LB crew needs to have lineman that are able to switch between both formations to take advantage of their talents and confuse offenses.

    Round 3 (68) - ILB Yawin Smallwood (or Skhov if he is there) Pats add another tall/fast 'backer to replace Spikes snaps (but not role), b/c he new guy is a 3 down player, backs up all positions, or starts if team goes back to more 3-4.

    Round 3 (96) - WR Jared Abbrederis - Tall enough at 6'2" and real smart (a must here). Can stretch the field a little and is super tough. Perfect Patriot. Him and Dobson on the outside/downfield, Boyce and Amendola on the outside/intermediate and Edelman and Amendola in the slot/middle of the field. Great crew. Slater on special teams and trade Thompkins while his stock is up (someone like Jarvis Landry of LSU works here as well).

    Round 4 (in the 130's) - DT Daniel McCullers - A monster 6'8" 320 lb prospect who would have to have very little expected of him for 1-2 years but be groomed to eventually replace Vince.

    Round 6 (from Eagles, like 215-225 range) - RB Andre Williams - It'd be cool if the local BC guy was around towards the end of day 3. He'd definitely have more upside than Bolden.



    I prefer Troy Niklas to AS-J, just don't like the kid's effort on the field, looks like he's just going through the motions.  I also think you could see them target a TE in FA... Buffalo's Scott Chandler comes to mind... or maybe a Dennis Pitta or Garrett Graham or Jeff Cumberland, etc.

    As for your mock, I think that nets some solid players... Easley is very undersized for the 5-tech, but is very well suited for the 3... Smallwood and Abbrederis present great value in Rd 3 and McCullers could be a solid upside play in Rd 4.  I don't think Andre Williams gets out of Rd 4, but if he's there in Rd 6, he's a no-brainer.

     
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    Vereen was a non factor vs Indy. If he continues the trend, 3rd down RB is a strong possibility. Vereen has been with the team for 3 full years and all he's shown has been that he's injury prone, drops passes, and has had some great teaser games (week 1 @ Buffalo). As BB says you know what kind of player you have after 3 seasons.

    Might not make the team in '14.

     

     

     
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    Vereen was a non factor vs Indy. If he continues the trend, 3rd down RB is a strong possibility. Vereen has been with the team for 3 full years and all he's shown has been that he's injury prone, drops passes, and has had some great teaser games (week 1 @ Buffalo). As BB says you know what kind of player you have after 3 seasons.

    Might not make the team in '14.

     

     

     



    I wonder if the wrist/hand cast is a factor in his dropped passes, as they generally seem to be over the shoulder type catches which require his wrists/palms to be up, but the criticism is fair.

     

    One player that I'm really high on is FSU RB Devonte Freeman (5-8 203)... kid is extremely physical for his size, runs with a purpose and can catch the football (47 receptions in  his career)... solid Day 2 option.

     

     
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    Vereen was a non factor vs Indy. If he continues the trend, 3rd down RB is a strong possibility. Vereen has been with the team for 3 full years and all he's shown has been that he's injury prone, drops passes, and has had some great teaser games (week 1 @ Buffalo). As BB says you know what kind of player you have after 3 seasons.

    Might not make the team in '14.

     

     

     



    I wonder if the wrist/hand cast is a factor in his dropped passes, as they generally seem to be over the shoulder type catches which require his wrists/palms to be up, but the criticism is fair.

     

    One player that I'm really high on is FSU RB Devonte Freeman (5-8 203)... kid is extremely physical for his size, runs with a purpose and can catch the football (47 receptions in  his career)... solid Day 2 option.

     

    You are correct where Vereen status is in question, the Patriots after losing Cierre Wood to the Ravens the Patriots immediately signed Jonas Gray to a futures contract and they already have Quentin Hines sitting on IR and Hines may not be a known commodity but he's a 4.3  40 guy. Gray is a former teammate of Wood at Notre Dame and he to is a 3rd down type back at 5'9 and 230 he is stout. You never know who BB will draft or try and sign during the off season.


     
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    Vereen was a non factor vs Indy. If he continues the trend, 3rd down RB is a strong possibility. Vereen has been with the team for 3 full years and all he's shown has been that he's injury prone, drops passes, and has had some great teaser games (week 1 @ Buffalo). As BB says you know what kind of player you have after 3 seasons.

    Might not make the team in '14.

     

     

     



    I wonder if the wrist/hand cast is a factor in his dropped passes, as they generally seem to be over the shoulder type catches which require his wrists/palms to be up, but the criticism is fair.

     

    One player that I'm really high on is FSU RB Devonte Freeman (5-8 203)... kid is extremely physical for his size, runs with a purpose and can catch the football (47 receptions in  his career)... solid Day 2 option.

     

    You are correct where Vereen status is in question, the Patriots after losing Cierre Wood to the Ravens the Patriots immediately signed Jonas Gray to a futures contract and they already have Quentin Hines sitting on IR and Hines may not be a known commodity but he's a 4.3  40 guy. Gray is a former teammate of Wood at Notre Dame and he to is a 3rd down type back at 5'9 and 230 he is stout. You never know who BB will draft or try and sign during the off season.




    Gray is an intriguing cat, built like a tank, particularly in the lower half... good power/speed combo but blew out his knee at the end of the 2011 season (year he was draft eligible) and he hasn't been the same player.

     

     
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    MB,thanks for info--I am a little surprised he picked up 94 yDs but the kid has been doing it all year; that's actually strong running against that team.  I could see him going middle rounds.  I also think Skov is a player.

     
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    MB...do you have any thoughts on these small school guys...

    WR Jeff Janis Saginaw Valley

    DE Larry Webster   Bloomsburg

    TE  A.C. Leonard  Tenn State

    OG Dakota Dozier  Furman

    thanks

     
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    MB...do you have any thoughts on these small school guys...

    WR Jeff Janis Saginaw Valley

    DE Larry Webster   Bloomsburg

    TE  A.C. Leonard  Tenn State

    OG Dakota Dozier  Furman

    thanks



    Haven't had a chance to research many small school kids yet, hope to get to it at some point. Janis and Leonard are names that I've familiar with, but haven't been able to check out any tape.

     
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    MB...do you have any thoughts on these small school guys...

    WR Jeff Janis Saginaw Valley

    DE Larry Webster   Bloomsburg

    TE  A.C. Leonard  Tenn State

    OG Dakota Dozier  Furman

    thanks



    They won't be taken in the first round?

    Just being s smart@$$ 

     

     
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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    so would you give up our 1st, mallett, and a 2nd for the 4th overall pick? maybe get clowney?

     
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    Watched DaQuan Jones' tape vs. Michigan and he looked like a 1st round caliber talent in that game.  He was quick/exposive off the snap and appeared virtually unblockable for most of the game... when he wasn't splitting a double, he was swatting his guy aside or caving in the offensive front... bottom line is he was wreaking havoc in the backfield most of the day.

    I really hope this kid ends up in Foxboro.

     
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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    Fingers crossed that they can land a Day 2 pick for Mallet.

     
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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    so would you give up our 1st, mallett, and a 2nd for the 4th overall pick? maybe get clowney?



    Not gonna lie, Clowney scares the schyt out've me if I'm a personnel guy... all the talent in the world, could be the best player in the NFL... but his inconsistent effort provides a huge cause for concern.  I think some of it had to due with him seeing Lattimore's draft status get ruined by a horrific knee injury... at the same time, there are plenty of elite kids that never take a play off... and I think you're programmed to either go hard on every snap, or you're not.  I think Clowney falls into the latter category.

     
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    I agree 100%. Clowney has had a sense of entitlement ever since being #1 ranked recruit coming out of high school. He's not BB's kind of player. BB likes the guys with a chip on their shoulder, not a Rolls Royce in the parking lot. If Pats had a top ten or five pick the kid to look at would be Anthony Barr - level headed kid with great work ethic.

     
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    Vereen was a non factor vs Indy. If he continues the trend, 3rd down RB is a strong possibility. Vereen has been with the team for 3 full years and all he's shown has been that he's injury prone, drops passes, and has had some great teaser games (week 1 @ Buffalo). As BB says you know what kind of player you have after 3 seasons.

    Might not make the team in '14.

     

     



    Vereen had only one really good run in his few touches but it was important. There were two third down plays that Vereen could have made if not for Brady on one and what I expect was hlolding on the other. Those two plays would have added to his importance in the course of the game.

    But more to the point I want to make... the last few posts I ahve read by you have been essentially mindless. Take a vacation.

     
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    You don't want to risk a lot on someone who has serious questions. Clowney might be truly great but perhaps it is better to get another great player who is more stable. The things we need the most are:

    (assuming we resign Talib)

    1. C or RG

    2. stud DT/NT

    3. TE as (a) alternative starter to Gronk and (b) 2nd TE off the bench

    4. RG or C

    I think I would rather get two of the above than one Clowney.

     

     
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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    so would you give up our 1st, mallett, and a 2nd for the 4th overall pick? maybe get clowney?


    I would take Houston's 2nd rd pick for Mallet and run like hell.  If they really want him they need to pay. If they offered multiple picks and something next year maybe. (Depending on the picks)  However, just like last year when there were rumors in Cleveland that is all this is a rumor.

    I don't want Clowney.

     
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    MB, could you see Tuitt as being both a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT ? What I am asking is does he have scheme versatility to make him worth a 1st round pick for BB?

     
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    Vet Pats’ backup on the market … While the attention of team’s with early picks and QB needs appears to be on this year’s draft class, there have been passing rumblings that more than one such team may be willing to kick the tires on New England back-up QB Ryan Mallett as a fallback option. In fact, Houston is one team that has factored into that buzz, in part, because new Texans’ had coach Bill O’Brien was offensive co-ordinator and QB-coach with New England during Mallett’s rookie season in 2011. Another team that has been associated with Mallett is Cleveland which has the 4th pick.

     

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    so would you give up our 1st, mallett, and a 2nd for the 4th overall pick? maybe get clowney?


    I would take Houston's 2nd rd pick for Mallet and run like hell.  If they really want him they need to pay. If they offered multiple picks and something next year maybe. (Depending on the picks)  However, just like last year when there were rumors in Cleveland that is all this is a rumor.

    I don't want Clowney.

    Clowney can be a beast but he's a spoiled brat, better the Patriots go after Tuit, as for Mallett the Patriots won't trade him for just a second round pick, it would take additional picks or a player of value and I'm not talking Matt Schaub!!!! The reason why they won't trade him for just a second is self evident, he was a low 3rd round pick so unless the Patriots are desperate they would require payment of at least a 1rst round pick because of years of training.


     
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    I would take Houston's 2nd rd pick for Mallet and run like hell.  If they really want him they need to pay. If they offered multiple picks and something next year maybe. (Depending on the picks)  However, just like last year when there were rumors in Cleveland that is all this is a rumor.

    I don't want Clowney.

    Clowney can be a beast but he's a spoiled brat, better the Patriots go after Tuit, as for Mallett the Patriots won't trade him for just a second round pick, it would take additional picks or a player of value and I'm not talking Matt Schaub!!!! The reason why they won't trade him for just a second is self evident, he was a low 3rd round pick so unless the Patriots are desperate they would require payment of at least a 1rst round pick because of years of training.




Good points!  If they do trade him, NE will drive a hard bargain for sure.

 
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    MB, could you see Tuitt as being both a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT ? What I am asking is does he have scheme versatility to make him worth a 1st round pick for BB?



    ND was a base 43, but mixed in mutiple fronts/looks... Tuitt shouldn't have a problem playing in either scheme/front... definite positional versatility.

     
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