***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    This may not be popular, but I'm not a fan of Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz.  He just doesn't look very fast, quick, or athletic to me.  Truthfully, I don't even know if he would be an upgrade over Hooman.  Seems like a pretty good blocker, but an underwelming athlete.  ASJ is the guy I like.

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    I think CJ will be pushed to be better when he sees how Gronk plays. And I am pretty sure of vice versa

     

     

     
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    Zac Kerr, Delaware,  6'2", 330, DT

    In the mold of Justin Ellis.  A later round DT

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As0ACtkIgZc

     

     

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    I'd take him in FA. Active legs yes, but plays really upright. He could be a good DT if he fixes that.

     
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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     

     

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    love the thought, esp if we can get Nix. I just can't see Minn trading their 2nd for Mallett and a 7th. I think Malletts value might lie with Minn or Hou but it might be for a 3rd and we might have to toss in the 7th or 6th

     

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    Yeah you're probably right, a second round pick for Mallet might be a little bit optimistic, but I'm just guessing.  Honestly I don't even know if he's going to get traded.  I think he probably still has quite a bit of value to New England as a capable backup.  I just wanted to put together a scenario where we could trade up to get Nix, and I think we would need that extra 2rd to do that.  Probably wishful thinking but you never know...

    [/QUOTE] You guys are really under selling the value of Mallett, the Redskins have let it be known that it will take a 2nd round pick to acquire Cousins! Mallett may not have played a down, but he also hasn't thrown 12 picks in two years! He is learning under TB and I'd rather have a QB who learned from TB than some jag who played because he had to. Mallett's worth is probably more than Cousins, so if Washington wants a 2nd what do you think BB wants? It sure as hell won't be less than what Washington wants.


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    Neither have I

     
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    Since we have pointed out that DE is of need, a couple of guys I'm intrigued by and what your guys' opinion on for a Day2/3 pick .

    Marcus Smith, love this kid. The more I watch the more I like honestly. Real quick off the line and has that relentless effort. if we could snag him round two i would be ecstatic.

    Josh Mauro (stanford), I just love his size 6'6 270... but he's not too athletic and I question his pass rush ability at the next level and he was surronded by many good player too, which i question

    Kareem Martin (UNC) anoher kid with good size and has better athleticism than Mauro. Honestly haven't seen too much from him but he intrigues me

    aaron Lynch (USF), has the homesick issue but I like the potential he could have but he also doesnt seem to have the "drive" factor to him. he's an athlete but he's just "there" on the field. maybe BB could harness this kid?

     

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    I cannot fault you for liking Smith. He is my favorite DE in this class. Still has a few things to learn technique-wise, but will be a stud in the NFL.

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    BTW ... I believe he will shine at the combine, maybe enought to push him close to the first round

     
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    This may not be popular, but I'm not a fan of Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz.  He just doesn't look very fast, quick, or athletic to me.  Truthfully, I don't even know if he would be an upgrade over Hooman.  Seems like a pretty good blocker, but an underwelming athlete.  ASJ is the guy I like.

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    Though he looks like a laboring giant he is actually deceptively fast game speed. His straight away won't blow you away in the least but he does have some quick movements. The main thing is he knws how to use his body to block out defenders and has really strong hands. So even if a defender gets there arms around him he can still make the catch. He's move of a move the sticks guy then one that will break open 30yrds but he is certainly an upgrade over Hooman in every sense. Better blocker, better hands, better route runner. He'd be an average starting TE a great #2 type but if you get him in the back of 2nd - 3rd that what you normally expect from there. Honestly there are 4 TE's I'd put ahead of him but all 4 could be gone by pick #62 and the drop off in talent behind him is fairly large so if we sit at #62 and the other TE's are off the board I'd love to grab him.

    To me ASJ might be #3/4 on the list tied with Nikals. ASJ is further developed but I think what you see is what you get where as Nikals I see higher upside overall, but who knows if he'll ever reach it. I really like Amaro, he seems like a better version of Hern (meaning bigger and a better blocker) without the red flags. I'd be happy with Amaro in the first. The guy I would need to change my pants for though is Ebron however I doubt he'll make it to the back of the 1st.

     
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    This may not be popular, but I'm not a fan of Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz.  He just doesn't look very fast, quick, or athletic to me.  Truthfully, I don't even know if he would be an upgrade over Hooman.  Seems like a pretty good blocker, but an underwelming athlete.  ASJ is the guy I like.

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    Though he looks like a laboring giant he is actually deceptively fast game speed. His straight away won't blow you away in the least but he does have some quick movements. The main thing is he knws how to use his body to block out defenders and has really strong hands. So even if a defender gets there arms around him he can still make the catch. He's move of a move the sticks guy then one that will break open 30yrds but he is certainly an upgrade over Hooman in every sense. Better blocker, better hands, better route runner. He'd be an average starting TE a great #2 type but if you get him in the back of 2nd - 3rd that what you normally expect from there. Honestly there are 4 TE's I'd put ahead of him but all 4 could be gone by pick #62 and the drop off in talent behind him is fairly large so if we sit at #62 and the other TE's are off the board I'd love to grab him.

    To me ASJ might be #3/4 on the list tied with Nikals. ASJ is further developed but I think what you see is what you get where as Nikals I see higher upside overall, but who knows if he'll ever reach it. I really like Amaro, he seems like a better version of Hern (meaning bigger and a better blocker) without the red flags. I'd be happy with Amaro in the first. The guy I would need to change my pants for though is Ebron however I doubt he'll make it to the back of the 1st.

    [/QUOTE] There are at least 20 draftable TE's in this draft, it's a process trying to decide where and when to draft a guy, I have 5 guys on my list of TE's and 1 guy who BB might take a flier on just because. Ebron,Amaro, ASJ, Niklas, and Bosler and the guy he might take a flier on is Fiedorowicz, the reason why I have Bosler in there is he's a pass catching TE not quite an Amaro but very effective. In any case like we already know just because we like a guy doesn't mean BB will draft him.


     
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    ^ I like Rodgers out of CAL.  He'll be a day 3 pick, but I think he has upside.

     
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    Combine weigh-ins on TEs.  Amaro is bigger than ASJ. He came in at 265, Niklas is a beast with long arms.

     

    # Name College Height Weight Arm Hand 40 (Un.) 10 Yard 40 (Official) Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone S. Shuttle 60 Yard        

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    TE01 Amaro, Jace Texas Tech 6050 265 34 9                          

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    TE02 Blanchflower, Rob UMass 6040 256 33 3/4 9 5/8                          

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    TE03 Burton, Trey Florida 6020 224 31 9 3/8                          

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    TE04 Denham, Anthony Utah 6040 235 33 3/8 10 1/2                          

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    TE05 Duncan, Joe Don Dixie State 6030 268 32 3/8 10 1/8                          

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    TR06 Ebron, Eric North Carolina 6040 250 33 1/4 10                          

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    TE07 Fiedorowicz, C.J. Iowa 6050 265 33 10 1/4                          

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    TE08 Gillmore, Crockett Colorado State 6060 260 33 3/4 10 3/8                          

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    TE09 Grimble, Xavier USC 6040 257 33 5/8 10 1/4                          

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    TE10 Jacobs, Nic McNeese State 6050 269 34 1/8 10                          

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    TE11 Jensen, Marcel Fresno State 6060 259 34 7/8 9 7/8                          

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    TE12 Jordan, Reggie Missouri Western 6030 240 32 1/4 9 5/8                          

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    TE13 Leonard, A.C. Tennessee State 6020 252 33 9 1/4                          

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    TE14 Lyerla, Colt Oregon 6040 2242 32 3/4 10 1/4                          

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    TE15 Lynch, Arthur Georgia 6050 258 32 1/2 10 1/8                          

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    TE16 Murphy, Jake Utah 6040 249 31 3/4 10                          

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    TE17 Najvar, Jordan Baylor 6060 256 32 1/4 10                          

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    TE18 Niklas, Troy Notre Dame 6060 270 34 1/8 10                          

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    TE19 Pedersen, Jacob Wisconsin 6030 238 31 3/4 9                          

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    TE20 Rodgers, Richard California 6040 257 32 5/8 10 1/8                          

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    TE21 Seferian-Jenkins, Austin Washington 6050 262 33 3/4 9 3/4                          

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    TE22 Tialavea, D.J. Utah State 6030 267 33 5/8 9 1/4

                             

     
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    # Name College Height Weight Arm Hand 40 (Un.) 10 Yard 40 (Official) Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone S. Shuttle 60 Yard        

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    OL01 Armstrong, Matt Grand Valley State 6020 302 33 10 5/8                          

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    OL02 Bitonio, Joel Nevada 6040 302 33 7/8 9 5/8                          

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    OL03 Bodine, Russell North Carolina 6030 310 32 1/2 10                          

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    OL04 Boffeli, Conor Iowa 6040 298 32 9 3/8                          

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    OL05 Britt, Justin Missouri 6060 325 33 1/2 10 1/4                          

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    0L06 Dozier, Dakota Furman 6040 313 33 7/8 9 7/8                          

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    0L07 Edwards, Kadeem Tennessee State 6040 313 35 1/2 9 1/2                          

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    OL08 Feiler, Matt Bloomsburg 6060 330 32 9 1/2                          

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    OL09 Fleming, Cameron Stanford 6050 323 34 9 7/8                          

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    OL10 Fulton, Zach Tennessee 6050 316 33 1/4 10 1/4                          

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    OL11 Groy, Ryan Wisconsin 6050 316 33 1/4 10 3/8                          

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    OL12 Halapio, Jon Florida 6030 323 33 5/8 10 1/4                          

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    OL13 Harrison, Jonotthan Florida 6030 304 33 3/8 9 7/8                          

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    OL14 Henderson, Seantrel Miami(FL) 6070 331 34 5/8 10 1/2                          

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    OL15 Hurst, James North Carolina 6050 296 33 3/4 10 1/8                          

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    OL16 Ikard, Gabe Oklahoma 6040 304 33 1/8 9 5/8                          

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    OL17 Jackson, Gabe Mississippi State 6030 336 33 3/4 10                          

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    OL18 James, Ja'Wuan Tennessee 6060 311 35 9 7/8                          

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    OL19 Johnson, Wesley Vanderbilt 6050 297 33 1/8 10 1/4                          

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    OL20 Kouandjio, Cyrus Alabama 6070 322 35 5/8 10 1/4                          

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    OL21 Larsen, Tyler Utah State 6040 313 31 1/2 9 1/4                          

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    OL22 Leno Jr., Charles Boise State 6040 304 34 3/8 10 1/8                          

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    OL23 Lewan, Taylor Michigan 6070 309 33 7/8 9 1/4                          

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    OL24 Linder, Brandon Miami(FL) 6060 311 34 1/2 10 1/4                          

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    OL25 Linsley, Corey Ohio State 6030 296 32 9 7/8                          

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    OL26 Long, Spencer Nebraska 6050 320 33 1/8 10 3/4                          

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    OL27 Lucas, Luke Kansas State 6080 316 36 3/4 10                          

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    OL28 Martin, Marcus USC 6030 320 34 10                          

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    OL29 Martin, Zack Note Dame 6040 308 32 7/8 9 1/2                          

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    OL30 Matthews, Jake Texas A&M 6050 308 33 3/8 9 7/8                          

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    OL31 Mewhort, Jack Ohio State 6060 309 34 9 3/4                          

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    OL32 Moses, Morgan Virginia 6060 314 35 3/8 9 7/8                          

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    OL33 Paradis, Matthew Boise State 6030 306 32 3/8 9 7/8                          

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    OL34 Patchan, Matt Boston College 6060 302 33 9 3/8                          

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    OL35 Richardson, Antonio Tennessee 6060 336 35 10 1/4                          

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    OL36 Richardson, Cyril Baylor 6050 329 34 5/8 9 1/2                          

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    OL37 Richburg, Weston Colorado State 6030 298 33 3/8 9 1/4                          

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    OL38 Robinson, Greg Auburn 6050 332 35 10                          

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    OL39 Schofield, Michael Michigan 6060 301 34 9 5/8                          

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    OL40 Steen, Anthony Alabama 6030 314 30 1/2 9 1/8                          

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    OL41 Stone, James Tennessee 6040 306 33 7/8 10 1/8                          

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    OL42 Stork, Bryan Florida State 6040 315 32 1/4 10 1/8                          

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    OL43 Su'a-Filo, Xavier UCLA 6040 307 33 3/8 9 3/8                          

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    OL44 Swanson, Travis Arkansas 6050 312 33 1/8 10                          

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    OL45 Thomas, Brandon Clemson 6030 317 34 3/4 10 1/2                          

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    OL46 Turner, Billy North Dakota State 6050 315 34 10                          

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    OL47 Turner, Trai LSU 6030 310 34 9 1/2                          

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    OL48 Urschel, John Penn State 6030 313 33 10 3/8                          

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    OL49 Watt, Chris Note Dame 6030 310 32 3/4 9 1/2                          

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    OL50 Yankey, David Stanford 6060 315 34 9 1/2

     

     
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    ^ I like Rodgers out of CAL.  He'll be a day 3 pick, but I think he has upside.

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    Good hands. Good blocker. Powerful - hard to bring down. Will get 2-3 yards after contact. 

    However, IMO slow, even for a TE. I know some draft gurus online say he has explosiveness. He has initial explosiveness but nothing after that. I could turn out being wrong, but I am guessing he will be close to being slowest 40 of the top 15 TEs. If this is validated at the combine, he could be too slow for a NFL TE.

    Maybe a good 10 split will change my mind about him.

     
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    ^ I like Rodgers out of CAL.  He'll be a day 3 pick, but I think he has upside.

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    Good hands. Good blocker. Powerful - hard to bring down. Will get 2-3 yards after contact. 

    However, IMO slow, even for a TE. I know some draft gurus online say he has explosiveness. He has initial explosiveness but nothing after that. I could turn out being wrong, but I am guessing he will be close to being slowest 40 of the top 15 TEs. If this is validated at the combine, he could be too slow for a NFL TE.

    Maybe a good 10 split will change my mind about him.

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    Good comments, he doesn't have Gronk speed for sure. Rodgers is a complementary player. You'll spend a 5th or 6th and get production, no not AH or Gronk, but more than Hooman or Mulligan.

    I like this analysis:

    Rodgers is not an elite athlete or an elite talent, and that could lead to some slippage in the draft.  But with the new age offenses utilizing the TE split out wide and in the slot more and more, Rodgers fits the direction the league is heading.  With a 6-4, 245 pound frame and the speed to attack the seams, Rodgers could be a nice ancillary target to a team in need of some offensive punch.  He’s not going to give you a ton as a run blocker, but he won’t kill you in that regard either and does do well protecting the QB as a cut blocker.  I think he could be an intriguing option. http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/2/19/5427200/scouting-the-draft-richard-rodgers-te-california

     
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    Did anyone hear this about Amaro?

     

    29.PATRIOTS-#RA'SHEDE HAGEMAN-DT-MINN-NFL COMP-JOHN HENDERSON-retired-It goes without saying that an elite TE to pair with perennially injured Rob Gronkowski would be their first choice. The only TE in this draft with a(Eric Ebron) 1rst round grade who doesn't have major off-the field questions is gone this scenario.  Sorry Pats fans . Jace Amaro's red flags probably put him off limits to you . Amaro really shouldn't be available this late in the draft, but if he is I know they will want to take him. But can they? The only reason he could fall this far is because he was accused of a major off the field incident in his past. He's was accused of being a thief not a gang banger but can they take a tight end with character concerns so soon after Hernandez?  Bill Belichick has always preferred to run a 3-4 defense ,but has lacked the personnel to do so for the last couple of years. Hagemen is that rare prototype 5 technique DE that can set the edge against the double team, but still provide a pass rush. Belichick would covet a player with his physical gifts , and he always believes he can get the most out of players that haven't lived up to their talent.  Add, that he can slide inside and do the job when they go to nickel , and this pick makes a lot of sense if he's there when they are on the clock. Since they are the Patriots a trade back is likely if they don't have someone they really covet left on the board when their turn comes.

    http://alphafootballexpert.blogspot.com.br/2014/02/2014-two-round-nfl-mock-pre-combine.html

     
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    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 2h

    TE option in late first, early second. RT @jeffphowe: Austin Seferian-Jenkins told me he met with Josh McDaniels here at the combine.

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    Not a huge deal, but not unimportant. RT @RavensInsider: Texas tech te jace amaro says he has met with the patriots

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    CJF very safe prospect. Amaro more of a risk. RT @jeffphowe: Jace Amaro and C.J. Fiedorowicz have met with the Patriots.

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    He's a big boy. RT @jeffphowe: Troy Niklas told me he has also met with the Patriots.

     
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    Since we are talking TEs, Lynch may interest NE 4th-5th rd.

    Arthur Lynch   |   TE  
      88 Height: 6050 Weight: 254 Class Year: SR Hometown: Dartmouth, Mass. High School: Dartmouth Transfer Schools:   Analysis: Fourteen starts prior to his senior year. One of the team captains. Can sn atch the ball away from his body. Will also body catch as needed. Can find and sit down in open areas of zone. Good body control and balance to make sharp cuts. A one-speed player who does have some quickness out of break. Good versus linebackers in man-to-man coverage. Puts nose on man as a blocker and walls off. Will stick to his target. Competitive. His 2012 stats: 24 receptions, 431 yards, 18.0 yards per catch, 3 touchdowns. Ourlads' Scouting Services

    DRAFT NOTES: Has 19 receptions for 318 yards and 3 TD in 2013, including 4 catches for 75 yards and a TD against Auburn. Named to Mackey Award Preseason and Midseason list (nation’s best tight end). Ourlads' Snippet

    Fifth year senior that wasn’t really a factor until 2012. Lynch is a block-first tight end that consistently gets the job done against both defensive linemen and linebackers. He has a nice combination of power and quickness to go with good technique to handle whatever is in front of him. As a receiver, I think Lynch has some hidden upside to be factor underneath and up the seam. He has sneaky athleticism and strong hands. Lynch won’t ever be a star that puts up the sexy numbers, but for the offenses that still use a tight end as both a blocker and receiver, he will have value. I expect to see him taken somewhere in the round 4-5 area. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst
     
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    Martin OC, USC measured 6'3", 320lbs, 34" arms, 10" hands - great size for a OC or OG.

    Yankey, OG, Stanford measure 6'6" 315lbs, 34" arms, 9.5" hands - measured taller than expected, OT versatility??

     

    These two surprised me.

     
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    Martin OC, USC measured 6'3", 320lbs, 34" arms, 10" hands - great size for a OC or OG.

    Yankey, OG, Stanford measure 6'6" 315lbs, 34" arms, 9.5" hands - measured taller than expected, OT versatility??

     

    These two surprised me.

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    He did play some OT at Stanford I believe.   Richburg also measured in a bit smaller than I thought.

     
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    Bitonio's length is big for him... can prob play at either OG or OT spot... really like this kid.

     
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    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 2h

    TE option in late first, early second. RT @jeffphowe: Austin Seferian-Jenkins told me he met with Josh McDaniels here at the combine.

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    Not a huge deal, but not unimportant. RT @RavensInsider: Texas tech te jace amaro says he has met with the patriots

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    CJF very safe prospect. Amaro more of a risk. RT @jeffphowe: Jace Amaro and C.J. Fiedorowicz have met with the Patriots.

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    He's a big boy. RT @jeffphowe: Troy Niklas told me he has also met with the Patriots.

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    lol well we know they are looking at TE's early. When they talk to this many in 1 position so early you know it's not a smoke screen

     
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    Not a deal-breaker, but Amaro has the smallest hands of any TE, at 9".  Seems like he still catches the ball well, though.

     
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    lol well we know they are looking at TE's early. When they talk to this many in 1 position so early you know it's not a smoke screen

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    haha yeah, it normally is no biggie cause they interview like 100s of guys but I just found this interesting. Its pretty obvious they are going TE early this year (which Schefter reported mid-season too, when is that guy wrong?!?)

     
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    Since we are talking TEs, Lynch may interest NE 4th-5th rd.

    Arthur Lynch   |   TE  
      88 Height: 6050 Weight: 254 Class Year: SR Hometown: Dartmouth, Mass. High School: Dartmouth Transfer Schools:   Analysis: Fourteen starts prior to his senior year. One of the team captains. Can sn atch the ball away from his body. Will also body catch as needed. Can find and sit down in open areas of zone. Good body control and balance to make sharp cuts. A one-speed player who does have some quickness out of break. Good versus linebackers in man-to-man coverage. Puts nose on man as a blocker and walls off. Will stick to his target. Competitive. His 2012 stats: 24 receptions, 431 yards, 18.0 yards per catch, 3 touchdowns. Ourlads' Scouting Services

    DRAFT NOTES: Has 19 receptions for 318 yards and 3 TD in 2013, including 4 catches for 75 yards and a TD against Auburn. Named to Mackey Award Preseason and Midseason list (nation’s best tight end). Ourlads' Snippet

    Fifth year senior that wasn’t really a factor until 2012. Lynch is a block-first tight end that consistently gets the job done against both defensive linemen and linebackers. He has a nice combination of power and quickness to go with good technique to handle whatever is in front of him. As a receiver, I think Lynch has some hidden upside to be factor underneath and up the seam. He has sneaky athleticism and strong hands. Lynch won’t ever be a star that puts up the sexy numbers, but for the offenses that still use a tight end as both a blocker and receiver, he will have value. I expect to see him taken somewhere in the round 4-5 area. Dave Syvertsen, Ourlads' Draft Analyst
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    Lynch is no better than Hooman. Rather have Joe Don Duncan who can block but has higher upside as a receiver. If we are grabbing a mid round guy I'd rather take a gamble on a high upside small school kid than a one dimensional TE.

     
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    lol well we know they are looking at TE's early. When they talk to this many in 1 position so early you know it's not a smoke screen

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    haha yeah, it normally is no biggie cause they interview like 100s of guys but I just found this interesting. Its pretty obvious they are going TE early this year (which Schefter reported mid-season too, when is that guy wrong?!?)

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    yep thanks for the info

     
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    Lynch is no better than Hooman. Rather have Joe Don Duncan who can block but has higher upside as a receiver. If we are grabbing a mid round guy I'd rather take a gamble on a high upside small school kid than a one dimensional TE.

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    Duncan is a very big risk, I believe. On his youtube, there is no doubt that Duncan caught a lot of passes in 2013. However, I am concerned that he played in a lower level division. Where he played, the Ds are just doodoo, talent-wise, and size-wise. A bigger TE like he is will naturally dominate. But there is that risk that his dominance cannot translate against better Ds, even worse, in the NFL. At least the other TEs have played against high end Ds.

     

     
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    ^ I like Rodgers out of CAL.  He'll be a day 3 pick, but I think he has upside.

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    Good hands. Good blocker. Powerful - hard to bring down. Will get 2-3 yards after contact. 

    However, IMO slow, even for a TE. I know some draft gurus online say he has explosiveness. He has initial explosiveness but nothing after that. I could turn out being wrong, but I am guessing he will be close to being slowest 40 of the top 15 TEs. If this is validated at the combine, he could be too slow for a NFL TE.

    Maybe a good 10 split will change my mind about him.

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    Good comments, he doesn't have Gronk speed for sure. Rodgers is a complementary player. You'll spend a 5th or 6th and get production, no not AH or Gronk, but more than Hooman or Mulligan.

    I like this analysis:

    Rodgers is not an elite athlete or an elite talent, and that could lead to some slippage in the draft.  But with the new age offenses utilizing the TE split out wide and in the slot more and more, Rodgers fits the direction the league is heading.  With a 6-4, 245 pound frame and the speed to attack the seams, Rodgers could be a nice ancillary target to a team in need of some offensive punch.  He’s not going to give you a ton as a run blocker, but he won’t kill you in that regard either and does do well protecting the QB as a cut blocker.  I think he could be an intriguing option. http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/2/19/5427200/scouting-the-draft-richard-rodgers-te-california

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    If they want a TE who plays more in the slot, can't they do that with Gronk, then have someone else do what he used to do inline? IMO, the team has to find Gronk a role where he can still be as devastating but also cut the risk of getting injured. Could that be the right role? This is the reason I am more inclined to take a Niklas type TE than an Amaro type TE.

    I am not convinced that they absolutley have to replace AH with exactly the same type of player. Besides, I am not sure that exists in this draft.

    What I do know is that there are many 6-2+ WRs who also weigh north of 200. I think instead of trying to find an AH, they should fin a 6-3+ who has shown proficiency in playing from any receiver spot or even in from the backfield every now and then.

     
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    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 2h

    TE option in late first, early second. RT @jeffphowe: Austin Seferian-Jenkins told me he met with Josh McDaniels here at the combine.

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    Not a huge deal, but not unimportant. RT @RavensInsider: Texas tech te jace amaro says he has met with the patriots

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    CJF very safe prospect. Amaro more of a risk. RT @jeffphowe: Jace Amaro and C.J. Fiedorowicz have met with the Patriots.

    James Christensen@NEPatriotsDraft 1h

    He's a big boy. RT @jeffphowe: Troy Niklas told me he has also met with the Patriots.

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    I am glad... In my mind, this means they are going after a DT early.

     
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