***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    As much as I would like a ILB like C.J. Mosley, I think the biggest needs for the Pats are in the trenches.  Mainly a DT to place next to Wilfork, or someone on the O-Line.  But the Pats have done so well with OL in latter rounds of the draft.


    The Pats really need a compliment or replacement for Wilfork and Gronk.  If they can't stay healthy, someone needs to step up.  I am leaning towards-


    #29 Louis Nix (or trade up)


    #62 C.J. Fiedorowicz

     
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    Jeff Matthews, QB out of Cornell should be available in the late rounds. Scored a 40 on the Wonderlic so he can pick up on a complex offensive scheme.


    01/18/2014 - PROSPECTS WHO HELPED THEMSELVES AT THE SHRINE GAME: 8. QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell (6-4, 225, 4.93, #9)...If it weren't for Garoppolo, the quarterback talk would be all about Mathews and the week he had in St. Petersburg. He showed off his arm strength, passing vision and touch to all levels of the field and with his size, he fits what the NFL wants at the position. Mathews will hold the ball too long at times and needs to be more assertive, but he's a quality developmental quarterback who projects as a day three pick. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com


     

     
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    So, it's fun to think about BB trading back, acquiring more picks, and drafting 10 good players this year, but the truth is that we don't really have room for that many guys.  We already have quite a bit of young depth developing, and I hate to cut some of those guys just to bring in similar players.  Maybe they should be aggressive early and target two impact players.  They might get good value on trading UP since so many teams want to move back and acquire an extra mid-round pick.  Here is an idea:


     


    #23  Louis Nix III   *NE gives up #29 and their 3rd; receives #23 and KC's 5th (163)*


     


    #53  2nd Rnd  Austin Seferian-Jenkins    TE   UW  *NE gives up #62, #130 (4th), and #206 (6th); receives #53 & GB's 6th (197)*


     


    4th Rnd Comp   Brent Urban  DE  UVA


     


    #163 5th Rnd  (from KC)   Brock Vereen   S   Minnesota


     


    #197  6th Rnd  (from GB)  Trevor Reilly  OLB  Utah


     


    #198  6th Rnd   Devonta Freeman   RB   FSU


     


    #244  7th Rnd   Brandon Thomas   OG   Clemson





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    That'd be a very good haul, I just don't expect Reilly or Freeman to get out've Rd 4, if not Day 2.

     
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    As much as I would like a ILB like C.J. Mosley, I think the biggest needs for the Pats are in the trenches.  Mainly a DT to place next to Wilfork, or someone on the O-Line.  But the Pats have done so well with OL in latter rounds of the draft.


     


    The Pats really need a compliment or replacement for Wilfork and Gronk.  If they can't stay healthy, someone needs to step up.  I am leaning towards-


     


    #29 Louis Nix (or trade up)


     


    #62 C.J. Fiedorowicz





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    Not all will agree, but I just don't know how you pass on Mosley if he's there... he's prob one of the 15 best players in this draft, IMO... I'd rather they bring him in and move Hightower to more of a LB/DE hybrid (he's plenty big enough and has some pass rush upside) than pass on a kid this talented.  Kid has 4 down/Pro Bowl potential.


    Fans complain a lot about how BB trades back, leaving the best talent on the table in favor of value, but I think this could be somewhat similar in that you're leaving the best talent on the board in favor of need, when Mosley is likely the better talent, and it's not like they're deep at LB.


    At the end of the day though, I don't expect Mosley to be available at #29.

     
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    Jeff Matthews, QB out of Cornell should be available in the late rounds. Scored a 40 on the Wonderlic so he can pick up on a complex offensive scheme.


     


    01/18/2014 - PROSPECTS WHO HELPED THEMSELVES AT THE SHRINE GAME: 8. QB Jeff Mathews, Cornell (6-4, 225, 4.93, #9)...If it weren't for Garoppolo, the quarterback talk would be all about Mathews and the week he had in St. Petersburg. He showed off his arm strength, passing vision and touch to all levels of the field and with his size, he fits what the NFL wants at the position. Mathews will hold the ball too long at times and needs to be more assertive, but he's a quality developmental quarterback who projects as a day three pick. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com


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    I think they'll have interest in him if they're targeting a QB on Day 3, yeah.

     
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    So, it's fun to think about BB trading back, acquiring more picks, and drafting 10 good players this year, but the truth is that we don't really have room for that many guys.  We already have quite a bit of young depth developing, and I hate to cut some of those guys just to bring in similar players.  Maybe they should be aggressive early and target two impact players.  They might get good value on trading UP since so many teams want to move back and acquire an extra mid-round pick.  Here is an idea:


     


     


     


    #23  Louis Nix III   *NE gives up #29 and their 3rd; receives #23 and KC's 5th (163)*


     


     


     


    #53  2nd Rnd  Austin Seferian-Jenkins    TE   UW  *NE gives up #62, #130 (4th), and #206 (6th); receives #53 & GB's 6th (197)*


     


     


     


    4th Rnd Comp   Brent Urban  DE  UVA


     


     


     


    #163 5th Rnd  (from KC)   Brock Vereen   S   Minnesota


     


     


     


    #197  6th Rnd  (from GB)  Trevor Reilly  OLB  Utah


     


     


     


    #198  6th Rnd   Devonta Freeman   RB   FSU


     


     


     


    #244  7th Rnd   Brandon Thomas   OG   Clemson


     





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    That'd be a very good haul, I just don't expect Reilly or Freeman to get out've Rd 4, if not Day 2.




    Yeah, I may have gotten a little too optimistic with those picks.  Guys fall every year, though.  The point I was getting at is that there will probably be good value in the 6th/7th if you look hard enough.

     
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    Yeah, I may have gotten a little too optimistic with those picks.  Guys fall every year, though.  The point I was getting at is that there will probably be good value in the 6th/7th if you look hard enough.




    Completely agree, especially in this class.

     
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    Yeah, I may have gotten a little too optimistic with those picks.  Guys fall every year, though.  The point I was getting at is that there will probably be good value in the 6th/7th if you look hard enough.


     


     


     




    Completely agree, especially in this class.


     




    The thought that I was trying to convey with that mock is that I think NE could have an outstanding. Draft by using their 3rd and 4th rounders to move up in both the 1st and 2nd rounds, take 2 stud players at those 2 spots, and then fill additional holes with the 4th Rnd Comp and 6th/7th rounders.  The way I see it, we don't have many roster spots available for rookies.  Instead of trying to accumulate a bunch of picks by trading back, I think BB should aggressively go after a couple of blue-chippers early and then make those late-rounders count.  5-6 players is all we need.  

     
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    The thought that I was trying to convey with that mock is that I think NE could have an outstanding. Draft by using their 3rd and 4th rounders to move up in both the 1st and 2nd rounds, take 2 stud players at those 2 spots, and then fill additional holes with the 4th Rnd Comp and 6th/7th rounders.  The way I see it, we don't have many roster spots available for rookies.  Instead of trying to accumulate a bunch of picks by trading back, I think BB should aggressively go after a couple of blue-chippers early and then make those late-rounders count.  5-6 players is all we need.  





    I totally agree with moving up.  But how far can you move up with their 1st and 2nd round picks... 8 or 9 spots?  That would be solid,  could land us Nix or Pryor, maybe even a CJ Mosely or Ebron, but I'm not sure anyone around the 20th pick would give up their position for that offer.

     
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    The thought that I was trying to convey with that mock is that I think NE could have an outstanding. Draft by using their 3rd and 4th rounders to move up in both the 1st and 2nd rounds, take 2 stud players at those 2 spots, and then fill additional holes with the 4th Rnd Comp and 6th/7th rounders.  The way I see it, we don't have many roster spots available for rookies.  Instead of trying to accumulate a bunch of picks by trading back, I think BB should aggressively go after a couple of blue-chippers early and then make those late-rounders count.  5-6 players is all we need.  


     





    I totally agree with moving up.  But how far can you move up with their 1st and 2nd round picks... 8 or 9 spots?  That would be solid,  could land us Nix or Pryor, maybe even a CJ Mosely or Ebron, but I'm not sure anyone around the 20th pick would give up their position for that offer.




    I'm thinking teams will accept a little bit less compensation to move back this year.  Mid round picks seem to be worth more.  I'm hoping we can use our 3rd to move up to 23-24, and then turn around and use our 4th to move from 62 to 50ish.  If the right guys are there, of course.  I'd like to see NE jump SD to grab Nix, if he is still there, and then move up from 62 to 51 or so to grab either ASJ or Niklas if available.  Then we would still have 4 more picks to fill other needs.  A draft netting us Nix, ASJ, and then a solid LB, RB, OL, and DE would be terrific.

     
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    The general concensus is getting solidified about who should go in what range of picks...What is very clear is the depth of this draft for the first 4 rounds, I mean true depth like we've seldom seen in the last 15-20 years...it could easily extend into the 5th round...The Pats could trade up to grab someone they want, they could trade down within the same draft to gobble up cheap priced rookies with talent to replace more expensive vets...I've never seen a draft year when almost anything is possible and that's because of the overall depth of the draft and the lack of true franchise QB's....it's entirely possible for the Pats to grab a receiver after 4 rounds who could be as good as anyone they have on the roster right now, and certainly in the 4th round itself....it's going to be the best draft show in years...


     


    Oh and, yes, there will be numerous trades during this draft...there are too many teams rebuilding and the timing has to be right for skilled players like QB's and really good WR's, DB's and DL's....mucho trades this year!

     
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    ^Mel, I agree.  Between 20-50 there are 30 players with the same level of abilities. Going deep into the 6th round there are players that can play snaps in rotations.  I have always said that football teams have to be 53 strong.  Build the whole team.  Dropping back getting extra picks and filling needs with very good players makes sense.  If we moved into the top 5 or 10 then maybe we would get a difference maker, but I don't think so. Maybe Watkins or Clowney, not sure about the rest.  No matter what, it would cost too much.  Only for a franchise QB would I spend picks.  Don't forget UDFAs they are going to make teams also.  There will be decent quality there also.  It is truly a unique draft.

     
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    Anyone else notice how good Stanford's defensive line is when watching them face some of these other prospects you've been checking out? Man they are tough, they look like they have four guys in their front seven who will drafted this year...aside from Murphy they have two other defensive ends that look like they are strong enough to play in the the nfl. One of them looks like he could be a nice 34 end...two tall, strong, athletic players.

     
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    Deone Buchanon-- the more I watch his film the more I like.


    He seems to have everything:


    1) Good  cover


    2) Big hitter


    3) Good speed


     


    Will he be there @Pats 2nd?

     
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    Anyone else notice how good Stanford's defensive line is when watching them face some of these other prospects you've been checking out? Man they are tough, they look like they have four guys in their front seven who will drafted this year...aside from Murphy they have two other defensive ends that look like they are strong enough to play in the the nfl. One of them looks like he could be a nice 34 end...two tall, strong, athletic players.




    I agree man I love Stanford's DTs 3 are really really god.

     
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    I believe the best value would be to stand pat in the first round, if anything trade up in the second if you can to steal a player.. I would for the most part stand pat unless we get an offer we can't refuse.

     
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    This draft is entering unknown territory because of the one time only extended study period prior to the draft....it's a one time only deal because the calendar from post bowl season was extended by the NFL...some teams will benefit by it, others might have "paralysis by analysis" because of all the time they've got to question their own initial reviews....


    These last two weeks is going to seem like a cross country trip on foot through the Mohave Desert without water...I can't wait to see how each team does with this extra time...I bet we see a few more picks from left field by every team...it'll be the pre-merger days of the early 60's again with guys being hidden in motel rooms to keep other teams from tracking them down...priority FA's will make some real cabbage for a change

     
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    Anyone else notice how good Stanford's defensive line is when watching them face some of these other prospects you've been checking out? Man they are tough, they look like they have four guys in their front seven who will drafted this year...aside from Murphy they have two other defensive ends that look like they are strong enough to play in the the nfl. One of them looks like he could be a nice 34 end...two tall, strong, athletic players.



    They're fun to watch, no doubt... some tough, hard charging SOB's.  Mauro projects as a 34 end, but at 6-6 271 is a bit light in the pants for BB's liking... Gardner looks like a 43 end, while the cream of that crop is Trent Murphy, without question.  If they don't addres the PR in Rd 1 and he's there at 62, I don't think BB passes on him... we're talking about a long, versatile, high effort kid that can disrupt off the edge and a DB/WR quality 3C time (6.78)... in fact, it was the 8th best time of any defensive player at the combine... and he's 6-5 250.

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    They're fun to watch, no doubt... some tough, hard charging SOB's.  Mauro projects as a 34 end, but at 6-6 271 is a bit light in the pants for BB's liking... Gardner looks like a 43 end, while the cream of that crop is Trent Murphy, without question.  If they don't addres the PR in Rd 1 and he's there at 62, I don't think BB passes on him... we're talking about a long, versatile, high effort kid that can disrupt off the edge and a DB/WR quality 3C time (6.78)... in fact, it was the 8th best time of any defensive player at the combine... and he's 6-5 250.

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    I do really like Murphy. More so than Smith, Van Noy, and Attaochu. To me he's a more complete player than the other 3 and can be a 3 down elephant that could be comfortable as a 43 DE or a 34 OLB.


    But imo 1 of those 4 will be there at 62 so I'd take any of them even if they get a DT in rd 1.

     
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    They're fun to watch, no doubt... some tough, hard charging SOB's.  Mauro projects as a 34 end, but at 6-6 271 is a bit light in the pants for BB's liking... Gardner looks like a 43 end, while the cream of that crop is Trent Murphy, without question.  If they don't addres the PR in Rd 1 and he's there at 62, I don't think BB passes on him... we're talking about a long, versatile, high effort kid that can disrupt off the edge and a DB/WR quality 3C time (6.78)... in fact, it was the 8th best time of any defensive player at the combine... and he's 6-5 250.

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    I do really like Murphy. More so than Smith, Van Noy, and Attaochu. To me he's a more complete player than the other 3 and can be a 3 down elephant that could be comfortable as a 43 DE or a 34 OLB.


     


    But imo 1 of those 4 will be there at 62 so I'd take any of them even if they get a DT in rd 1.





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    And I wonder if he'd have some coverage responsibilities againt TE's as he did have some slot coverage assignments as well.  Overall, I agree... woud love to see any of the (4) in Rd 2, if available and they target another position first.

     
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    Stanford has rapidly become one of the best recruiting teams in college football, which is unreal because of the academic requirements.....they have pro ready guys at every position every yeaR AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME NOW...KUDOS TO THE FOOTBALL ADMINISTRATION AND RECRUITERS...(sorry, caps)


    Mauro isn't rated high enough on most mock draft data bases...neither is Gardner because of his peck injury and early exit last season...Murphy has been appropriately graded out IMO, which is not a knock on him at all, he's a bona fide great player who will go high in this draft.

     
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    Trent Murphy at 62 would be great.  There is an outside chance that he could get there.  As much as I love Shazier, I'm starting to think that our first 2 picks need to be DT, TE, or DE.  I hate to wait until the 3rd for a TE.  I think that After CJF the talent falls way off, and I think he is gone by mid 3rd round at the latest.  I wonder what it would take to trade up from 93 to say #66-70 range?  May be an option.

     
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    Stanford has rapidly become one of the best recruiting teams in college football, which is unreal because of the academic requirements.....they have pro ready guys at every position every yeaR AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME NOW...KUDOS TO THE FOOTBALL ADMINISTRATION AND RECRUITERS...(sorry, caps)


     


    Mauro isn't rated high enough on most mock draft data bases...neither is Gardner because of his peck injury and early exit last season...Murphy has been appropriately graded out IMO, which is not a knock on him at all, he's a bona fide great player who will go high in this draft.





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    I wouldn't call them elite, in this capacity (Classes have ranked 13, 51, 7, 22 and 24 over the last five years (according to 247 Sports), the 2013 class was very small, hence the low rating), but they've done a good job of signing and developing kids that fit what they're looking to do and it's translated to the field for sure.  Like ND, it's more difficult for them to get kids due to academics, which only helps magnify their success.

     
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    I would love to see New England pick three times in the top 70 and select a tight end, defensive tackle, and defense event with those three pics.  Obviously they would have to do some moving around to make this happen.  As improbable as it might be, I think something like this would be a near ideal scenario:


     


     


     


    29. Trade to JAX for #39, 4th (#105) & 6th (#179)


     


     


     


    39.  Austin Seferian-Jenkins   TE    UW


     


     


     


    62.  Trent Murphy   DE    Stanford


     


     


     


    67.  DaQuan Jones  DT  Penn St.  (NE trades #93, #105 & #179 to OAK for #67)


     


    Then we would still have our 4th, Comp in 4th, both 6ths, and a 7th to find LB, WR, OL, S, etc.


     


    what do you think?

     
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