***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Manziels going to be drafted first overall. That's my opinion.. If I was to draft first over all I would take him. 

     
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    Manziel is a dangerous pick at #1 overall. If I were BO'B I'd take Robinson the LT from Auburn. Most folks think Clowney would make a good choice at #1 but he's a question mark himself. JMO!

     
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    Maybe BB doing BO'B a favor by taking a look at Mr. Football to determine if he should be the number one pick. The fastest way for a new coach to get fired is to mess up your first ever draft pick - especially when it is a number one overall - especially if it is the wrong quarterback



    I was thinking the same thing.  I wonder if they talked and BB agreed to take a look and then compare notes with BO'B.

     
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    Who do you all think the most likely trade partner is?  

    In 2011, the Pats traded up twice in the first round, both times moving up 6 spots to select C. Jones and D. Hightower.

    This year, KC sits 6 spots ahead of us at #23.  Andy Reid and BB have a long history as trade partners and they even made the following trade in 2011 to keep the streak going.

    Philadelphia Eagles: Acquire pick No. 193 in 2011

    New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 194 in 2011

    Other potential trade partners are GB at #21, Cinci at #24, NO at #27, Hou at #33, TB at #38, and the Vikings at #40.

     
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    Jones and Vellano cannot hold up as starters. I think Jones may best suited for the "Mike Wright" role.  He seemed to get into the backfield.  I still think they will draft a DT it just depends how the defense will be deployed going forward. Are we moving to quicker smaller tackles or still mixing with a hybrid 3-4.  In 2004, they had Keith Traylor and drafted Wilfork.  Could happen again with Nix.

    So, the question is, is DT still a 1st Rd need?  If not, what is?



    When I take a look at the roster, look at what they have the one position that scares me the most is LB.

    They are extremely thin, basically no depth.  Not sure if that's a 1st round pick but hope someone does get drafted.  

    1st round I'm still looking at DT, I like Tuitt.

    On vellano I agree not full time starters but as rotation guys to hunt QBs I think they add value.




    Agreed, IMO think pass rusher and Cover LB are the 2 top needs.  But if Pryor is available or Nix, I think they go that way.  Tuitt may be top of 2nd Rd, so if they trade back, great!  Its tough there are some really good prospects but I think NE will need to move around to get them.

    But for every high rd projected player there is a clone in the later rounds, Nix- Ellis, Tuitt- Coleman, Ealy-K Martin/WClarke, Shazier-KPLouis, etc.

    In the end, I think this draft will provide some elite and solid straters for NE.



    Clone maybe in physical appearance, but there's a reason why Nix, Tuitt, Ealy and Shazier are potential Rd 1 kids and the others are Mid round/Day 3 types.

    I agree with your overall point, they should be able to bring in some kids that can help/start/impact next year.

     
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    Jones and Vellano cannot hold up as starters. I think Jones may best suited for the "Mike Wright" role.  He seemed to get into the backfield.  I still think they will draft a DT it just depends how the defense will be deployed going forward. Are we moving to quicker smaller tackles or still mixing with a hybrid 3-4.  In 2004, they had Keith Traylor and drafted Wilfork.  Could happen again with Nix.

    So, the question is, is DT still a 1st Rd need?  If not, what is?



    When I take a look at the roster, look at what they have the one position that scares me the most is LB.

    They are extremely thin, basically no depth.  Not sure if that's a 1st round pick but hope someone does get drafted.  

    1st round I'm still looking at DT, I like Tuitt.

    On vellano I agree not full time starters but as rotation guys to hunt QBs I think they add value.




    Agreed, IMO think pass rusher and Cover LB are the 2 top needs.  But if Pryor is available or Nix, I think they go that way.  Tuitt may be top of 2nd Rd, so if they trade back, great!  Its tough there are some really good prospects but I think NE will need to move around to get them.

    But for every high rd projected player there is a clone in the later rounds, Nix- Ellis, Tuitt- Coleman, Ealy-K Martin/WClarke, Shazier-KPLouis, etc.

    In the end, I think this draft will provide some elite and solid straters for NE.



    Clone maybe in physical appearance, but there's a reason why Nix, Tuitt, Ealy and Shazier are potential Rd 1 kids and the others are Mid round/Day 3 types.

    I agree with your overall point, they should be able to bring in some kids that can help/start/impact next year.



    agree mb they need to come out with 2 potential starting D guys.  There are some really good gems in 4th to 6th round but a 4 down player that's first 2 rounds on D.

    I really want to see another LB picked, I think Hightower staying in that MLB spot and getting more reps will be huge for him.  The dude is massive and moves better than Spikes ever did he's bigger than Spikes as well.  

    If there's a 100% gurantee that Pats can move from 29 trade back still pick Tuitt I be all for it.  

    Here's a nice article about what Pats got last season when they traded,

    from January but good stuff

    http://nesn.com/2014/01/patriots-made-out-like-bandits-in-trade-with-vikings-out-of-first-round-of-2013-nfl-draft-mailbag/

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.



    I still take Norwood lol

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.



    Latimer in the 2nd? That might be pushing it. I'd rather Hoffman in the 5th (provided we trade and get a pick) or if we are going that early Moncrief or Coleman in the 2nd/3rd

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.



    Latimer in the 2nd? That might be pushing it. I'd rather Hoffman in the 5th (provided we trade and get a pick) or if we are going that early Moncrief or Coleman in the 2nd/3rd



    Yeah, I think he's very underrated... I'd take him over Coleman every day of the week.

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.



    I still take Norwood lol



    I like Norwood, I just like Latimer more than Norwood.

     
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    I would be very happy if the Pats got any one of these guys with their first pick..

    TE Eric Ebron

    DT Ra Shede Hageman

    S Calvin Pryor

    S Ha Ha Clinton Dix

    LB CJ Mosley

    OLB Ryan Shazier

    NT Louis Nix

    CB Jason Verrett (look out Kyle Arrington)

    CB Kyle Fuller

    TE Troy Niklas

     

     
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    So after the announced Manziel visit, the Patriots announce they will be hosting Bridgewater today as well. Somethings up! This could just be due dilligence, but these visits have an aroma to them.

     
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    So after the announced Manziel visit, the Patriots announce they will be hosting Bridgewater today as well. Somethings up! This could just be due dilligence, but these visits have an aroma to them.



    It's not the first time they brought in QB's that were suppose to be 1st round picks. It's also not the first time they brought in multiple players who were and did go in the top 10 in a single year and they had no shot at. Sometimes where there's smoke it's just dust in the air from cleaning out the files to make room for new ones.

     
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    I would be very happy if the Pats got any one of these guys with their first pick..

    TE Eric Ebron

    DT Ra Shede Hageman

    S Calvin Pryor

    S Ha Ha Clinton Dix

    LB CJ Mosley

    OLB Ryan Shazier

    NT Louis Nix

    CB Jason Verrett (look out Kyle Arrington)

    CB Kyle Fuller

    TE Troy Niklas

     



    They prob have no shot at Ebron, Pryor, Clinton-Dix or Mosley.

    Potential chance at Nix, though I think he's gone too.

    I think you're looking at Shazier, Hageman, Verrett or Fuller.

    I like Niklas in Rd 2.

     
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    If Manziel falls to the 29th pick, you have to think about it if I were the Pats. Never happen, but crazy things happen with QB's in the Draft.



    Ii guess I have to agree...

     
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    So after the announced Manziel visit, the Patriots announce they will be hosting Bridgewater today as well. Somethings up! This could just be due dilligence, but these visits have an aroma to them.



    Yup... when we play either of them in the next couple of years we will have had a closer look at their game...

     
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    Cody Latimer (6-2 215 / 9 5/8 inch hands) with 40 times of 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro day... he also had a 39 in vert, to go along with his 23 reps @ 225, which was the most of any WR at the combine.  No 3C/SS times that I can find.

    I've said it before, I like him better than Aaron Dobson at the same stage and would have no problem if BB/NC/ML/GS were to take him in Rd 2... steal in Rd 3, IMO.



    I still take Norwood lol



    I like Norwood, I just like Latimer more than Norwood.



    I'm other way around, like them both just Norwood more than Latimer.

     
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    Brett Keisel has always been a high effort D-lineman and I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on him for some low dollars - 1 year deal. We have a lot of questions on the d-line. 

    I always respected the way he played for Pittsburgh - 

     
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    Brett Keisel has always been a high effort D-lineman and I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on him for some low dollars - 1 year deal. We have a lot of questions on the d-line. 

    I always respected the way he played for Pittsburgh - 



    And he might grow the best beard on earth.

     

     
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    Posted this in wrong thread,

    Was looking at what it looks like right now of players on the roster, there aren't a lot of spots open.  I have 52 of 53 but can see where at least 5 players could be upgraded.

    Standing out to me, (not taking injuries ect just roster spots) 

    LB

    TE ( I added Mark Harrison to TEs not WRs)

    WR if those guys make the jump, pretty good group

    DE no depth, not help unless Buchanan turns into what I think he will this year but still no depth.

    S HELP!!! lol

    OL quality help there

     

    QB - Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett 2

    FB - James Develin 1

    RB - Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden 3

    TE - Rob Gronk, M. Hooma, D.J. Williams, Mark Harrison 4

    WR - D. Amandola, J. Edelman, A. Dobson, B. LaFell, K. Thompkins, J. Boyce 6

    OT - N. Solder, S. Vollmer, M. Cannon 3

    OG - L. Mankins, D. Connolly, C. Barker, J. Kline 4

    OC - R. Wendell 1  

    24    

    DE - C. Jones, R. Nink, M. Buchanan, J. Bequette 4

    DT - V. Wilfork, T. Kelly, S. Siliga, A. Armstead, J. Vellano, C. Jones 6

    LB - J. Mayo, D. Hightower, J. Collins, S. Beau 4

    CB - D. Revis, B. Browner, L. Ryan, A Dennard, K. Arrington, J. Green 6

    S - D. McCourty, D. Harmon, N. Ebner, T. Wilson 4  

    24    

    ST - S. Ghost, R. Allen, D. Aiken, M. Slater

    4  

    52

    So long story short, I think Pats should at least come out with 6 players from the draft that need to be an upgrade over current roster.

     
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    Brett Keisel has always been a high effort D-lineman and I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on him for some low dollars - 1 year deal. We have a lot of questions on the d-line. 

    I always respected the way he played for Pittsburgh - 



    And he might grow the best beard on earth.

     



    Wow. If that was white, that would be a perfect santa beard - just like it is usually drawn.

     
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    Sorry... this long wait has me so bored now

     
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    Standing out to me, (not taking injuries ect just roster spots) 

    LB

    TE ( I added Mark Harrison to TEs not WRs)

    WR if those guys make the jump, pretty good group

    DE no depth, not help unless Buchanan turns into what I think he will this year but still no depth.

    S HELP!!! lol

    OL quality help there

     

    QB - Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett 2

    FB - James Develin 1

    RB - Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden 3

    TE - Rob Gronk, M. Hooma, D.J. Williams, Mark Harrison 4

    WR - D. Amandola, J. Edelman, A. Dobson, B. LaFell, K. Thompkins, J. Boyce 6

    OT - N. Solder, S. Vollmer, M. Cannon 3

    OG - L. Mankins, D. Connolly, C. Barker, J. Kline 4

    OC - R. Wendell 1  

    24    

    DE - C. Jones, R. Nink, M. Buchanan, J. Bequette 4

    DT - V. Wilfork, T. Kelly, S. Siliga, A. Armstead, J. Vellano, C. Jones 6

    LB - J. Mayo, D. Hightower, J. Collins, S. Beau 4

    CB - D. Revis, B. Browner, L. Ryan, A Dennard, K. Arrington, J. Green 6

    S - D. McCourty, D. Harmon, N. Ebner, T. Wilson 4  

    24    

    ST - S. Ghost, R. Allen, D. Aiken, M. Slater

    4  

    52

    So long story short, I think Pats should at least come out with 6 players from the draft that need to be an upgrade over current roster.



    Unfortunately, injuries are all part of the season. Everyone knows that.

    Start with the OL:

    How would the O look if Mankins goes down. He's pretty old. You don't know how long he will hold up. Almost like the VW situation.

    Solder and Vollmer... do we expect them to make it through the entire year? Vollmer in particular.

    And Wendell... With Scar gone, having him start at C is pretty scary I think. Probably the first thing I would upgrade when it comes to the OL.

    Receiving Options:

    I think six receivers is a lot. I am resigned to the idea that Amendola will never play more than 10 games again. I hope I am wrong. And I also hope that Boyce fully recovers and makes the leap I have been expecting from him. If so, I'd say KT is the odd man out, unless Donson stagnates.

    Four TEs is plenty too. The only reason you feel they need that depth there is Gronk cannot be relied upon to being healthy all year and after him, there is nobody good. Hooma I think should stay. We'll see if Williams clicks. I say Harrison here is a square peg trying get in a round hole.

    RB:

    Look at your three names. Again, is it really smart to plan around the idea that any of those guys will last the season and ready to play in the playoffs?

    DT:

    Six is one too many I believe. At most they should carry 5. Siliga deserves a spot. Kelly, I think fully recovers. VW to me is there, at this point, more out of loyalty (I have doubts he will play his heart out for the Pats again). Of Armstead, Jones and Vellano, I think they should keep one. Then draft a DT in the first two days.

    DE:

    I think they need to just cut bait on Bequette. There should be a better DE available in the third or fourth. Amazingly, Walterfootball is mocking Marcus Smith going in the fourth (106). Wow. That is a very quick DE (Quicker than Jones or Nink) who I've seen drop back and do okay. You might be hitting two birds with one stone with this guy.

    The secondary looks really good. They could add a tone-setting SS, but I don't think it would be a big deal if they don't. And maybe, you use Browner as one every now and then.

    My preference for positions they draft, in no particular order...

    DT, C, OG/OT, TE, DE/OLB

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I would be very happy if the Pats got any one of these guys with their first pick..

    TE Eric Ebron

    DT Ra Shede Hageman

    S Calvin Pryor

    S Ha Ha Clinton Dix

    LB CJ Mosley

    OLB Ryan Shazier

    NT Louis Nix

    CB Jason Verrett (look out Kyle Arrington)

    CB Kyle Fuller

    TE Troy Niklas

     



    They prob have no shot at Ebron, Pryor, Clinton-Dix or Mosley.

    Potential chance at Nix, though I think he's gone too.

    I think you're looking at Shazier, Hageman, Verrett or Fuller.

    I like Niklas in Rd 2.




    Some mocks have the Ravens taking a Safety at 17 and taking either Dix or Pryor and then the other is available for the Pats at #29.

    Also I noticed the only teams possibly looking for a TE in round 1 are the Steelers and Giants.  If they go a different direction Ebron could be available at #29.

    I would love 1 of those 3.  If not available then I would be more then happy with Shazier or Hageman at 29.

    I don't think  Niklas will be available at #62.  If the Pats trade back with their 1st rnd pick then its possible they could get Niklas early in the 2nd.  If not, then it's possible Amaro would be available at #62.  Not very excited about Amaro's showing at the combine but his game highlights look good. 

     
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