***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Hey fellas.  I saw where NE was in Provo yesterday working out Van Noy.  Since those Mountain West games are always on in the evenings out West here, I actually saw him play quite a bit.  He had some outstanding games.  Very disruptive and some of the best instincts I've seen.  Also saw him block a few kicks.  I know his competition wasn't the best, but he looked like a very good prospect to me.  Good size for an OLB.  I haven't seen a ton of chatter about him on this board, but what would you guys think about BB taking him?  I think 29 is a little too early for him, but he may not last until 62.

     
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    Hey fellas.  I saw where NE was in Provo yesterday working out Van Noy.  Since those Mountain West games are always on in the evenings out West here, I actually saw him play quite a bit.  He had some outstanding games.  Very disruptive and some of the best instincts I've seen.  Also saw him block a few kicks.  I know his competition wasn't the best, but he looked like a very good prospect to me.  Good size for an OLB.  I haven't seen a ton of chatter about him on this board, but what would you guys think about BB taking him?  I think 29 is a little too early for him, but he may not last until 62.



    I could see him lasting to 62 and I wouldn't take him before that. We already have a lot tied into the LB position and adding a 4th would be nice but not at the potential expense of adding at another position of need such as DT or TE. If they trade back the 1st and somehow get a mid 2nd and mid 3rd out of it and can get a DL and DE and still pick up Van Noy in the late 2nd then great all for it but I wouldn't want him over one of the top 5 DT's or top 4 TE's

     
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    Hey fellas.  I saw where NE was in Provo yesterday working out Van Noy.  Since those Mountain West games are always on in the evenings out West here, I actually saw him play quite a bit.  He had some outstanding games.  Very disruptive and some of the best instincts I've seen.  Also saw him block a few kicks.  I know his competition wasn't the best, but he looked like a very good prospect to me.  Good size for an OLB.  I haven't seen a ton of chatter about him on this board, but what would you guys think about BB taking him?  I think 29 is a little too early for him, but he may not last until 62.



    I could see him lasting to 62 and I wouldn't take him before that. We already have a lot tied into the LB position and adding a 4th would be nice but not at the potential expense of adding at another position of need such as DT or TE. If they trade back the 1st and somehow get a mid 2nd and mid 3rd out of it and can get a DL and DE and still pick up Van Noy in the late 2nd then great all for it but I wouldn't want him over one of the top 5 DT's or top 4 TE's



    my thoughts exactly.  As I said yesterday, I think I will like out draft a lot better if BB can trade back from 29 into the mid 2nd.  Kind of doubt it will happen, though.  I think teams will be very reluctant to part with those 3/4/5th rounders this year.

     
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    my thoughts exactly.  As I said yesterday, I think I will like out draft a lot better if BB can trade back from 29 into the mid 2nd.  Kind of doubt it will happen, though.  I think teams will be very reluctant to part with those 3/4/5th rounders this year.



    I'm just hoping he doesn't trade the 1st for a future 1st and a low 3rd. That would kill me to kill another one of Brady's years just to push it forward

     
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    I don't think Miami will be drafting Thomas now. I wonder who the Patriots will bring in for visits but not much information on the Patriots.



    posted this a couple pages back but a good site that keeps track of who they are looking at

    For those interested in who the Pats have had contract with nepatriotsdraft.com keeps a very good running list:

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014-patriots-draft-contacts

    Some names we've discussed are found on the list. Not going to mention combine interviews as there are tons but generally here are some interesting names the Pats have taken longer looks at:

    • Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State (PW)
    • Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State (PW)
    • Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (PW)
    • Mike Evans, WR Texas A&M (PW)
    • C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (CI, OV)
    • Trey Hopkins, OG, Texas (PW)
    • Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina (PW)
    • Stephon Tuitt, DL, Notre Dame (OV)
    • Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (OV)
     
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    my thoughts exactly.  As I said yesterday, I think I will like out draft a lot better if BB can trade back from 29 into the mid 2nd.  Kind of doubt it will happen, though.  I think teams will be very reluctant to part with those 3/4/5th rounders this year.



    I'm just hoping he doesn't trade the 1st for a future 1st and a low 3rd. That would kill me to kill another one of Brady's years just to push it forward



    Agree.  If he pulls off a trade, I hope it is for 2014 picks

     
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    This just in from NFL Network:

    Brandon Thomas, G from Clemson, Mayocks #3 rated OG, out with ACL just 5 weeks from the draft...hurt during a workout...

    In my 7 rounder I had him  going to Miami with their 2nd RD. pick.

     




    Nice player to pick up in a late round and red shirt for a year. OT Hurst from NC is another to do the same.

     

     



    Once I heard the announcement I thought the same thing...using a late round choice wouldn't hurt especially if the report on him  from the Docs are good...even complete knee reconstructions today are sometimes pretty easy to come back from with the right surgery and therapy...it's amazing what they can do and what they've learned about such surgery and recovery now...back in the mid 70's if you had to have a complete reconstructuion you were pretty much done...even just a simple miniscus tear was career threatening...now, you're walking around in a week, back in 4-6. It puts into perspective how hard Gayle Sayers had to work to come back from his knee injury and play as well as he did.

     

     
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    Hey fellas.  I saw where NE was in Provo yesterday working out Van Noy.  Since those Mountain West games are always on in the evenings out West here, I actually saw him play quite a bit.  He had some outstanding games.  Very disruptive and some of the best instincts I've seen.  Also saw him block a few kicks.  I know his competition wasn't the best, but he looked like a very good prospect to me.  Good size for an OLB.  I haven't seen a ton of chatter about him on this board, but what would you guys think about BB taking him?  I think 29 is a little too early for him, but he may not last until 62.



    I could see him lasting to 62 and I wouldn't take him before that. We already have a lot tied into the LB position and adding a 4th would be nice but not at the potential expense of adding at another position of need such as DT or TE. If they trade back the 1st and somehow get a mid 2nd and mid 3rd out of it and can get a DL and DE and still pick up Van Noy in the late 2nd then great all for it but I wouldn't want him over one of the top 5 DT's or top 4 TE's



    He's rated in the mid to late 30's on many big boards by draft sites....so it would not be any kind of reach for them to look at him at 62 if he's available...depends on how many 3/4 OLB's go before him.

     
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    Question for everyone... if you can take just (1) WR outside of Rd 1 ("value" should not be considered), which would you take and why?

    The below prospects should be considered NOT available:

    Watkins

    Evans

    Beckham

    Cooks

    Lee

    Benjamin

     
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    This just in from NFL Network:

    Brandon Thomas, G from Clemson, Mayocks #3 rated OG, out with ACL just 5 weeks from the draft...hurt during a workout...

    In my 7 rounder I had him  going to Miami with their 2nd RD. pick.

     




    Nice player to pick up in a late round and red shirt for a year. OT Hurst from NC is another to do the same.

     

     



    Once I heard the announcement I thought the same thing...using a late round choice wouldn't hurt especially if the report on him  from the Docs are good...even complete knee reconstructions today are sometimes pretty easy to come back from with the right surgery and therapy...it's amazing what they can do and what they've learned about such surgery and recovery now...back in the mid 70's if you have to have a complete reconstructuion you were pretty much done...even just a simple miniscus tear was career threatening...now, you're walking around in a week, back in 4-6. It puts into perspective how hard Gayle Sayers had to work to come back from his knee injury and play as well as he did.

     



    In regards to interior OL, I remain very interested in PSU's John Urschel.  Not only is he potentially the smartest player in the draft, but he's a seasoned, durable kid that moves well and brings some versatility.  The B.O. connection is also a huge plus... and he can be had on Day 3.

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO

     
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    This just in from NFL Network:

    Brandon Thomas, G from Clemson, Mayocks #3 rated OG, out with ACL just 5 weeks from the draft...hurt during a workout...

    In my 7 rounder I had him  going to Miami with their 2nd RD. pick.

     




    Nice player to pick up in a late round and red shirt for a year. OT Hurst from NC is another to do the same.

     

     



    Once I heard the announcement I thought the same thing...using a late round choice wouldn't hurt especially if the report on him  from the Docs are good...even complete knee reconstructions today are sometimes pretty easy to come back from with the right surgery and therapy...it's amazing what they can do and what they've learned about such surgery and recovery now...back in the mid 70's if you have to have a complete reconstructuion you were pretty much done...even just a simple miniscus tear was career threatening...now, you're walking around in a week, back in 4-6. It puts into perspective how hard Gayle Sayers had to work to come back from his knee injury and play as well as he did.

     



    In regards to interior OL, I remain very interested in PSU's John Urschel.  Not only is he potentially the smartest player in the draft, but he's a seasoned, durable kid that moves well and brings some versatility.  The B.O. connection is also a huge plus... and he can be had on Day 3.



     Because of a dearth of top flight OG's in this draft, and some teams really needing reconstructed OL's, especially Miami, he could go in day 2....if it's day 3 it will be early...and yes, he's probably THE smartest guy in the draft 

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO



    Thanks, but the question was for WR's after Rd 1.

     

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO

     



    Thanks, but the question was for WR's after Rd 1.

     

     



    OPPS...lol..sorry, my bad....

    A few do exist for rounds 2-3

    *Robinson, Penn St.

    *Richardson, Colorado

    *Adams, Fresno St.

    *Matthews, Vandy

    *Landry, LSU

    *Moncrief, Ole Miss.

    *Bryant, Clemson

    *Abbredaris, Wisconsin

    *Archer, Kent St.

    *Coleman, Rutgers

    *Ellington, So. Carolina

     
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    If NE drafted a WR after the 1st Round, Ellington is the guy I would love to see them get.  Maybe the most athletic player in the draft.  Kid is tough and makes big catches.  I'd love him in the 3rd or 4th.

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO

     



    Thanks, but the question was for WR's after Rd 1.

     

     



    OPPS...lol..sorry, my bad....

    A few do exist for rounds 2-3

    *Robinson, Penn St.

    *Richardson, Colorado

    *Adams, Fresno St.

    *Matthews, Vandy

    *Landry, LSU

    *Moncrief, Ole Miss.

    *Bryant, Clemson

    *Abbredaris, Wisconsin

    *Archer, Kent St.

    *Coleman, Rutgers

    *Ellington, So. Carolina



    Haha, no prob... of that group, which would you most want to see in a Patriots uni?

     
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    If NE drafted a WR after the 1st Round, Ellington is the guy I would love to see them get.  Maybe the most athletic player in the draft.  Kid is tough and makes big catches.  I'd love him in the 3rd or 4th.



    Yeah, he's def on my short list... love his game/skill set.

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO

     



    Thanks, but the question was for WR's after Rd 1.

     

     



    OPPS...lol..sorry, my bad....

    A few do exist for rounds 2-3

    *Robinson, Penn St.

    *Richardson, Colorado

    *Adams, Fresno St.

    *Matthews, Vandy

    *Landry, LSU

    *Moncrief, Ole Miss.

    *Bryant, Clemson

    *Abbredaris, Wisconsin

    *Archer, Kent St.

    *Coleman, Rutgers

    *Ellington, So. Carolina



    Haha, no prob... of that group, which would you most want to see in a Patriots uni?



    I like Matthews...good size, good hands, 4.42 speed,  a senior so he's more mature than most and Vandy means he's smart...he should be able to get BB's offense.

     
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    If it was simply for the Pats, I'd say Evans...because he's so tall, so wide, and so fast for his size, can run many routes, and most of all, can catch the ball where ever it's thrown...his height makes him a tremedous rede zone/end zone target...experience in big games, knows how to adjust to a QB out of the pocket...can also run routes across the middle because of his size and strength.

    #2 would have to be Watkins...fast, can catch, runs great routes, has a second gear, fast enough to get behind defenders, especially with his moves.....I don't think there's very much to pick between the 2, actually...Watkins more able to take the top of a defense, Evans an incredible target that MUST draw two defenders because of his size/speed combination...

    Evans, on the Pats, makes the oppossing D make more mistakes and results in more opportunities for other players on offense than does Watkins, IMO

     



    Thanks, but the question was for WR's after Rd 1.

     

     



    OPPS...lol..sorry, my bad....

    A few do exist for rounds 2-3

    *Robinson, Penn St.

    *Richardson, Colorado

    *Adams, Fresno St.

    *Matthews, Vandy

    *Landry, LSU

    *Moncrief, Ole Miss.

    *Bryant, Clemson

    *Abbredaris, Wisconsin

    *Archer, Kent St.

    *Coleman, Rutgers

    *Ellington, So. Carolina



    Haha, no prob... of that group, which would you most want to see in a Patriots uni?



    I like Matthews...good size, good hands, 4.42 speed,  a senior so he's more mature than most and Vandy means he's smart...he should be able to get BB's offense.



    Agree if we don't get Benjamin first round I like Matthews also, he reminds me of a more mature Vincent Jackson. 

     
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    Jordan Mathews - Vandy

     

     

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    Question for everyone... if you can take just (1) WR outside of Rd 1 ("value" should not be considered), which would you take and why?

    The below prospects should be considered NOT available:

    Watkins

    Evans

    Beckham

    Cooks

    Lee

    Benjamin




     
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    I agree with Mellymel - same rationale - senior and smart - coming from Vandy. His film looked good to me - not elite like a Sammy Watkins, but he may look elite in our offense with a healthy Gronk, good running game, and TB12 -

     
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    A lot of love for Matthews... tough to blame anyone, there's a lot to like about this kids game and measurables.  I'd prob have him, along with Moncrief, Latimer, Ellington and Abbrederis... but I'd give the nod to... this may surprise some people, but I've come full circle after watching tape on most every Day 2 WR... 

    Jarvis Landry.

    I just think he's a kid that come in and start/contribute early and quickly get on the same page as TB... just love his all around game and think the comps to Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin are spot on.  He'd be a great compliment to Dobson, with his hands, toughness, route running, ball skills and playmaking ability.

     
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    I've said this many times Benjamin is the guy with the most potential, though I wouldn't kick Beckham or Cooksoff any potential first round picks. We all know by now Watkins and Evans will be off the board at no later than 15. The odds are that the Patriots will be trading out of the first round are increasing! With the QBs dropping from all reports!

     
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    A lot of love for Matthews... tough to blame anyone, there's a lot to like about this kids game and measurables.  I'd prob have him, along with Moncrief, Latimer, Ellington and Abbrederis... but I'd give the nod to... this may surprise some people, but I've come full circle after watching tape on most every Day 2 WR... 

    Jarvis Landry.

    I just think he's a kid that come in and start/contribute early and quickly get on the same page as TB... just love his all around game and think the comps to Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin are spot on.  He'd be a great compliment to Dobson, with his hands, toughness, route running, ball skills and playmaking ability.


    Landry is darned good too...also like Abbredaris...decent speed but no second gear, but is savvy, a good route runner, precise cuts, and catches the heck out of the ball....reminds me Fred Balitnikoff, not in potential, but in what he'll give you...good hands, crafty route runner..

     
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    I've said this many times Benjamin is the guy with the most potential, though I wouldn't kick Beckham or Cooksoff any potential first round picks. We all know by now Watkins and Evans will be off the board at no later than 15. The odds are that the Patriots will be trading out of the first round are increasing! With the QBs dropping from all reports!



    Someone will grab Benjamin just for potential...and he's got loads of it.....someone will reach early or him because they'll fall in love with his size and athleticism.

     
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