***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    I've said this many times Benjamin is the guy with the most potential, though I wouldn't kick Beckham or Cooksoff any potential first round picks. We all know by now Watkins and Evans will be off the board at no later than 15. The odds are that the Patriots will be trading out of the first round are increasing! With the QBs dropping from all reports!



    Someone will grab Benjamin just for potential...and he's got loads of it.....someone will reach early or him because they'll fall in love with his size and athleticism.



    I think so too.  Top 20 I bet.  Maybe Pitt at 15.

     
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    I've said this many times Benjamin is the guy with the most potential, though I wouldn't kick Beckham or Cooksoff any potential first round picks. We all know by now Watkins and Evans will be off the board at no later than 15. The odds are that the Patriots will be trading out of the first round are increasing! With the QBs dropping from all reports!



    Someone will grab Benjamin just for potential...and he's got loads of it.....someone will reach early or him because they'll fall in love with his size and athleticism.



    I think so too.  Top 20 I bet.  Maybe Pitt at 15.



    Them...or the Jets

     
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    Hey MB your wish might be a reality... 

    http://nesn.com/2014/04/report-patriots-also-met-with-lsu-wide-receiver-jarvis-landry-tuesday/

     
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    Hey MB your wish might be a reality... 

    http://nesn.com/2014/04/report-patriots-also-met-with-lsu-wide-receiver-jarvis-landry-tuesday/



    Thanks for the info, man... his Pro Day is today too, so I'll be interested to see how he runs.

     
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    Pats Eng

    Last time I looked we had three LB's up to grade .........what others have we "tied a lot into?"

    I consider it a crucial position of need and back up for the Pats this year.........if Hightower, Collins or Mayo go down who's next up? And those three can't be expected to play all snaps.Not enthused by the replacements. Could be our Achilles heel. 

    Same goes for Nink and Jones........pass rush is a major concern to me .....we need a speedy covering LB who can also put the QB under pressure.

     
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    A lot of love for Matthews... tough to blame anyone, there's a lot to like about this kids game and measurables.  I'd prob have him, along with Moncrief, Latimer, Ellington and Abbrederis... but I'd give the nod to... this may surprise some people, but I've come full circle after watching tape on most every Day 2 WR... 

    Jarvis Landry.

    I just think he's a kid that come in and start/contribute early and quickly get on the same page as TB... just love his all around game and think the comps to Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin are spot on.  He'd be a great compliment to Dobson, with his hands, toughness, route running, ball skills and playmaking ability.


    Landry is darned good too...also like Abbredaris...decent speed but no second gear, but is savvy, a good route runner, precise cuts, and catches the heck out of the ball....reminds me Fred Balitnikoff, not in potential, but in what he'll give you...good hands, crafty route runner..



    Yep, def agree with your assessment... prob won't be a super star, but could be a solid WR for a long time.

     
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    Just read Lindys draft preview, they compare Landry to Eric decker in terms of body control, movement and toughness after the catch.

     
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    Pats Eng

    Last time I looked we had three LB's up to grade .........what others have we "tied a lot into?"

    I consider it a crucial position of need and back up for the Pats this year.........if Hightower, Collins or Mayo go down who's next up? And those three can't be expected to play all snaps.Not enthused by the replacements. Could be our Achilles heel. 

    Same goes for Nink and Jones........pass rush is a major concern to me .....we need a speedy covering LB who can also put the QB under pressure.



    A high 1st, a pick in the 20's, and a mid 2nd is a lot. You can't spend high picks on backup and rotational players every year. What happens if any position goes down are you going to spend resources on rotational guys before filling starting holes? There are areas that need starters this year or will be starters within the next year of two. Spending high on a rotational player seems like a waste when there are plenty of 4th LB options who can come in a spot start and fill the same role in the mid rounds of the draft. You don't need an immediate starter you can afford to take a player that will take a couple years to develop into a starter if they can give meaningful backup reps.

     
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    I'm fully aware that most of you will hate this idea, but I kind of like it.  

    29)  ASJ  TE   UW

    *trade #62 for a early/mid 3rd and an early/mid 5th

    Early/mid 3rd)  Ego Ferguson  DT   LSU

    93)  Jarvis Landry   WR    LSU

    4th)   Brent Urban  DL   UVA 

    Comp)   Antone Exum   CB/S  VA Tech

    Early/mid 5th)   Logan Thomas   QB   VA Tech

    6th from PHI)    Jordan Tripp  OLB   Montana

    6th)  John Urschel   OL  Penn St

    7th)   Aaron Lynch   DE   S. Florida

     
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    I'm fully aware that most of you will hate this idea, but I kind of like it.  

    29)  ASJ  TE   UW

    *trade #62 for a early/mid 3rd and an early/mid 5th

    Early/mid 3rd)  Ego Ferguson  DT   LSU

    93)  Jarvis Landry   WR    LSU

    4th)   Brent Urban  DL   UVA 

    Comp)   Antone Exum   CB/S  VA Tech

    Early/mid 5th)   Logan Thomas   QB   VA Tech

    6th from PHI)    Jordan Tripp  OLB   Montana

    6th)  John Urschel   OL  Penn St

    7th)   Aaron Lynch   DE   S. Florida



    I don't like ASJ at 29 and would prefer DaQuan to Ego, but would be ecstatic at the class overall.

     
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    Just read Lindys draft preview, they compare Landry to Eric decker in terms of body control, movement and toughness after the catch.



    That's another fair comp... he's not a kid that will "take the top off a defense", but will be a tough and reliable (a word that's used quite a bit in reference to him) and make plays down the field from time to time... especially over the middle.

     
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    I'm fully aware that most of you will hate this idea, but I kind of like it.  

    29)  ASJ  TE   UW

    *trade #62 for a early/mid 3rd and an early/mid 5th

    Early/mid 3rd)  Ego Ferguson  DT   LSU

    93)  Jarvis Landry   WR    LSU

    4th)   Brent Urban  DL   UVA 

    Comp)   Antone Exum   CB/S  VA Tech

    Early/mid 5th)   Logan Thomas   QB   VA Tech

    6th from PHI)    Jordan Tripp  OLB   Montana

    6th)  John Urschel   OL  Penn St

    7th)   Aaron Lynch   DE   S. Florida



    I don't like ASJ at 29 and would prefer DaQuan to Ego, but would be ecstatic at the class overall.



    Yeah, I know you aren't crazy about ASJ, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that he is the best complete TE package in this class.  Loads of upside, and I think at worst he is a reliable weapon in the passing game and a huge upgrade in the RZ.  I'm telling ya, don't be shocked if BB takes him at 29.  As for Ego vs DaQuan, I agree that DaQuan would be better, but I couldn't justify projecting him to be available mid 3rd.  Maybe Ego would be there.

     
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    I'm fully aware that most of you will hate this idea, but I kind of like it.  

    29)  ASJ  TE   UW

    *trade #62 for a early/mid 3rd and an early/mid 5th

    Early/mid 3rd)  Ego Ferguson  DT   LSU

    93)  Jarvis Landry   WR    LSU

    4th)   Brent Urban  DL   UVA 

    Comp)   Antone Exum   CB/S  VA Tech

    Early/mid 5th)   Logan Thomas   QB   VA Tech

    6th from PHI)    Jordan Tripp  OLB   Montana

    6th)  John Urschel   OL  Penn St

    7th)   Aaron Lynch   DE   S. Florida



    I don't like ASJ at 29 and would prefer DaQuan to Ego, but would be ecstatic at the class overall.



    Yeah, I know you aren't crazy about ASJ, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that he is the best complete TE package in this class.  Loads of upside, and I think at worst he is a reliable weapon in the passing game and a huge upgrade in the RZ.  I'm telling ya, don't be shocked if BB takes him at 29.  As for Ego vs DaQuan, I agree that DaQuan would be better, but I couldn't justify projecting him to be available mid 3rd.  Maybe Ego would be there.



    Yeah, wouldn't surprise me at all if he takes ASJ there, ha... since most don't expect him to.

    I think Jones will be a Rd 2/3 kid... Top 75 or so, so he very well could be gone by then, yeah.

     
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    I'm fully aware that most of you will hate this idea, but I kind of like it.  

    29)  ASJ  TE   UW

    *trade #62 for a early/mid 3rd and an early/mid 5th

    Early/mid 3rd)  Ego Ferguson  DT   LSU

    93)  Jarvis Landry   WR    LSU

    4th)   Brent Urban  DL   UVA 

    Comp)   Antone Exum   CB/S  VA Tech

    Early/mid 5th)   Logan Thomas   QB   VA Tech

    6th from PHI)    Jordan Tripp  OLB   Montana

    6th)  John Urschel   OL  Penn St

    7th)   Aaron Lynch   DE   S. Florida



    I don't like ASJ at 29 and would prefer DaQuan to Ego, but would be ecstatic at the class overall.



    Yeah, I know you aren't crazy about ASJ, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that he is the best complete TE package in this class.  Loads of upside, and I think at worst he is a reliable weapon in the passing game and a huge upgrade in the RZ.  I'm telling ya, don't be shocked if BB takes him at 29.  As for Ego vs DaQuan, I agree that DaQuan would be better, but I couldn't justify projecting him to be available mid 3rd.  Maybe Ego would be there.



    Yeah, wouldn't surprise me at all if he takes ASJ there, ha... since most don't expect him to.

    I think Jones will be a Rd 2/3 kid... Top 75 or so, so he very well could be gone by then, yeah.



    Yeah, I suppose Jones could hang around till mid 3rd, but I think his size and upside get him drafted late 2nd.  Hard to say for sure with DTs

     
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    Love Landry on the field, and he's extremely impressive off of it... get this kid to Foxboro, BB!

    http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/LSU-WR-Jarvis-Landrys-Combine-Presser/b482e828-828b-40bf-8743-493b8a604b5e

     
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    PE,

    Some praise for your boy McKinnon... with a bit of a twist:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24519220/nfl-draft-deep-draft-for-dbs-could-yield-some-steals

     

    "Offense or defense for McKinnon?

    I interview 10 to 15 draft candidates a week on my radio show and while most are impressive, every so often one of them is really special.

    Jerick McKinnon is a former quarterback from Georgia Southern who went to the Senior Bowl to prove he could become a running back in the NFL. After a four-year career where he rushed for 3,899 yards and 42 touchdowns he might be a good running back candidate. McKinnon rushed for more than 100 yards against Georgia and Florida in games way over Georgia Southern's head when it came to talent on the field.

    But here's my twist on McKinnon: I think I would draft him and put him at corner for a team that plays a lot of press man coverage. The kid benched 225 pounds 32 times, ran 4.35, and had a 40 1/2-inch vertical -- all better numbers than any corner in the draft. McKinnon can run, flip his hips and is explosive. McKinnon admitted two clubs were coming in to work him out as corner. Believe me that's a good idea."

     
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    Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle. 

     
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    PE,

    Some praise for your boy McKinnon... with a bit of a twist:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24519220/nfl-draft-deep-draft-for-dbs-could-yield-some-steals

     

    "Offense or defense for McKinnon?

    I interview 10 to 15 draft candidates a week on my radio show and while most are impressive, every so often one of them is really special.

    Jerick McKinnon is a former quarterback from Georgia Southern who went to the Senior Bowl to prove he could become a running back in the NFL. After a four-year career where he rushed for 3,899 yards and 42 touchdowns he might be a good running back candidate. McKinnon rushed for more than 100 yards against Georgia and Florida in games way over Georgia Southern's head when it came to talent on the field.

    But here's my twist on McKinnon: I think I would draft him and put him at corner for a team that plays a lot of press man coverage. The kid benched 225 pounds 32 times, ran 4.35, and had a 40 1/2-inch vertical -- all better numbers than any corner in the draft. McKinnon can run, flip his hips and is explosive. McKinnon admitted two clubs were coming in to work him out as corner. Believe me that's a good idea."



    lol versatility man versatility, and you know BB loves that. I really wouldn't want it to happen but imagine the Pats are devestated by injury at CB and Edelman and McKinnon jump in. Talk about a BB wet dream, ironman QB's who don't play QB

     
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    Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle. 



    Believe what your eyes tell you!

     
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    PE,

    Some praise for your boy McKinnon... with a bit of a twist:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24519220/nfl-draft-deep-draft-for-dbs-could-yield-some-steals

     

    "Offense or defense for McKinnon?

    I interview 10 to 15 draft candidates a week on my radio show and while most are impressive, every so often one of them is really special.

    Jerick McKinnon is a former quarterback from Georgia Southern who went to the Senior Bowl to prove he could become a running back in the NFL. After a four-year career where he rushed for 3,899 yards and 42 touchdowns he might be a good running back candidate. McKinnon rushed for more than 100 yards against Georgia and Florida in games way over Georgia Southern's head when it came to talent on the field.

    But here's my twist on McKinnon: I think I would draft him and put him at corner for a team that plays a lot of press man coverage. The kid benched 225 pounds 32 times, ran 4.35, and had a 40 1/2-inch vertical -- all better numbers than any corner in the draft. McKinnon can run, flip his hips and is explosive. McKinnon admitted two clubs were coming in to work him out as corner. Believe me that's a good idea."



    lol versatility man versatility, and you know BB loves that. I really wouldn't want it to happen but imagine the Pats are devestated by injury at CB and Edelman and McKinnon jump in. Talk about a BB wet dream, ironman QB's who don't play QB



    Haha, that'd be quite the disastrous scenario.

     
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    Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle. 



    The singular problem with this guy is whether he gets into game shape to get push up the middle...no one can move him, but can he move laterally to even make nominal pursuit down the line?... He's huge, but in Tenn. games I watched this year he was unspectacular and played very sparingly at crucial times and had ZERO stamina....In the NFL with many interior lineman in excess of 330 and most of them in shape, they'll ride this fatboy all day long....he's got to get in shape...

     
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    Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.

     
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    Sigh I keep flipping and flopping on this guy but I kind of want McCullers again. I feel like a druggie with the kid but you just can teach 6'7" 352. Certainly would fix our run D issue and has some good upside. Rewatching senior bowl stuff he caught my eye yet again. The kid has tons of potential. Could you imagine RB's looking across the line and seeing Wilfork and McCullers playing next to each other? Talk about running into a brick wall up the middle. 



    The singular problem with this guy is whether he gets into game shape to get push up the middle...no one can move him, but can he move laterally to even make nominal pursuit down the line?... He's huge, but in Tenn. games I watched this year he was unspectacular and played very sparingly at crucial times and had ZERO stamina....In the NFL with many interior lineman in excess of 330 and most of them in shape, they'll ride this fatboy all day long....he's got to get in shape...



    and that's why I keep flip flopping. In 12' he looked unstoppable in 13' he looked out of shape. If he can maintain stamina no doubt he could play a Wilfork type of role moving forward but then again he could easily fall out of shape. You know with the comp pick I might not mind taking the shot if they don't get a DT early

     
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    Love Landry on the field, and he's extremely impressive off of it... get this kid to Foxboro, BB!

    http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/LSU-WR-Jarvis-Landrys-Combine-Presser/b482e828-828b-40bf-8743-493b8a604b5e



    I hate to be a party p00per but isn't Landry similar less the speed to Boyce? Every scouting report I read on him says "slot WR", good hands, adept at running short route, etc. 

    looking over our current WR corps, it seems we have a host of guys that can play very well in the slot, and a couple in Dobson, Lafell, maybe thompkins that can line up outside and win. Dobson is a ? With his foot, thompkins not sure if he even makes the roster. 

    AMy preference would be for a X/Z hybrid rather than Y, Y/Z type of player. 

    Thoughts?

     
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    Jarvis Landry runs identical 4.58's at his Pro Day, which seems much more inline with his tape than the 4.77 he ran at the combine.



    I like him...huge hands...catches everything and is quicker than his 40 time shows. This kid is going to help some team.

     
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