***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4761413/duron-harmon-next-man-up-at-safety?ex_cid=espnapi_public

    If Harmon plays at 210lbs that would be a good enforcer in back end.  I'm rooting for this kid big time.  Just seems to get it, been at the gillett training all offseason!  Can't wait to see him next season.

     
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    Isn't Jeffcoat the brother of a former Dallas Cowboy?...he's a darned good player IMHO....

    If Bredbu gave you the nod on the draft generator, all power and glory to him...it's  a great "what if" tool...

    I ran 6  seven rounders, 2 with each different Big Boards.....

    Yes, each board has many different players rated in different rounds...it's kinda crazy in that respect, but it also reflects the personal biases of each complier of the big boards, so it tends to even out the more iterations you run...

    The biggest take away from this draft, for the NE Pats where we are drafting, is:

    IT"S A DEEEEP DRAFT....all the way to the end...

    This would be a great year to trade down and grab an extra 5...you watch the talent coming off the board and your eyes get wide open when you see what we lose out on for not having that extra pick!...Moving to the beginning of Rd. 2 in a trade for our Rd. 1 pick wouldn't hurt at all given what's available and what we need...



    DEEP DRAFT, YES.

    1) IMO that explains why there is so much variance on big boards. The talent level is pretty even between 40 and 100. You could focus more on fit, and positions that cost more in FA and not worry about picking too high. 

    2) CAVEAT... Draft is deep but not in all positions. Probably good to wait til later to draft WR, and IMO OL. LB I believe is not deep at all for the kind that the Pats would need.



    Agreed...deep, but not in every position!

 
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    I have to run out for a few hours and was thinking once I come back to put together an all O mock and an all D mock just for heck of it.  Any takers?



    I'm down!

     
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    I posted this on another thread.

    http://first-pick.com/

     

    For those of you that like to conduct trades with your mock.

    Very addictive!

     



    I used the site...lmao...this thing is a trip and a half...I ended up with 12 selections by trading back...hilarious...did well, lots of talent...great site!

      http://first-pick.com/NFL/DraftGame.aspx

    Thanks again man!

     
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    MB and other Gurus

    Would like to draw your attention to a very illuminating article in Pats Pulpit by Richard Hill.

    He outlines the offensive line and running back situation with the Pats particularly in yards per carry in short yardage situations.

    Sammy Morris in 2008 Maroney was injured shows up best. Kevin Faulk does in converting third downs.

    However the graph shows the differences and he relates that to our OL personnel.

    The difference is from the decline of Koppen and Neal and the upside in 2011 is the presence of  Brian Waters. Look at the DECLINE since. Now the interior line is virtually  the worst in BB's era.

    If Connolly and Wendell are our best how are we going to change the downward slide on that graph? 

    This sends out a massive red flag to me also for keeping Brady upright as if he is injured you can all take holidays early.

    With that in mind it is imperative we improve those positions and find a particular running back to take advantage of those situations.

    I think I am changing from LB for pick 29 in the draft now.

    Any suggestions??? Thoughts.

     

     

     
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    MB and other Gurus

    Would like to draw your attention to a very illuminating article in Pats Pulpit by Richard Hill.

    He outlines the offensive line and running back situation with the Pats particularly in yards per carry in short yardage situations.

    Sammy Morris in 2008 Maroney was injured shows up best. Kevin Faulk does in converting third downs.

    However the graph shows the differences and he relates that to our OL personnel.

    The difference is from the decline of Koppen and Neal and the upside in 2011 is the presence of  Brian Waters. Look at the DECLINE since. Now the interior line is virtually  the worst in BB's era.

    If Connolly and Wendell are our best how are we going to change the downward slide on that graph? 

    This sends out a massive red flag to me also for keeping Brady upright as if he is injured you can all take holidays early.

    With that in mind it is imperative we improve those positions and find a particular running back to take advantage of those situations.

    I think I am changing from LB for pick 29 in the draft now.

    Any suggestions??? Thoughts.

     

     



    The huge DT has come into vogue in the NFL in the last 7-10 years...with that, 300 pound or less O Linemen are going to be extinct...you can use technique on pass protection but only to a degree...if the DT's are both strong and athletic (fast and quick) they will simply walk the interior O Linemen back into the QB or disrupt the beginning of running plays (pulls, trap blocks, even zone blocking)....our interior O Linemen have to get bigger, more athletic and stronger to match up with the behemoths...Good-bye Wendell and hopefully Connoly moves to Center, maybe moving Cannon (6-5, 335) to RG next to Sea Bass...in the long term, we have to start drafting some atlhletic big men at OG and OC...imho

     
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    I just did a 4 round Mock @ fanspeaks.com The results are as follows: Louis Nix III @29, Austin Serefin Jenkins @62, Travis Swanson @ 93, Telvin Smith @ 130 and A.J. McCarron @ 140. I would have done a complete draft but I thought i would play GM for 4 rounds to see how it turned out. Of course I was trying to fill need positions. Now tell me would you all be happy with this draft?



    Very nice indeed...it's alot of fun...and pretty fast...we can all be Kevin Costner for the day...but, unfortunately, without Jennifer Garner!

    Yeah it's fast but I think you can manipulate it in your favor. I'll try a seven round draft later.


     
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    MB and other Gurus

    Would like to draw your attention to a very illuminating article in Pats Pulpit by Richard Hill.

    He outlines the offensive line and running back situation with the Pats particularly in yards per carry in short yardage situations.

    Sammy Morris in 2008 Maroney was injured shows up best. Kevin Faulk does in converting third downs.

    However the graph shows the differences and he relates that to our OL personnel.

    The difference is from the decline of Koppen and Neal and the upside in 2011 is the presence of  Brian Waters. Look at the DECLINE since. Now the interior line is virtually  the worst in BB's era.

    If Connolly and Wendell are our best how are we going to change the downward slide on that graph? 

    This sends out a massive red flag to me also for keeping Brady upright as if he is injured you can all take holidays early.

    With that in mind it is imperative we improve those positions and find a particular running back to take advantage of those situations.

    I think I am changing from LB for pick 29 in the draft now.

    Any suggestions??? Thoughts.

     

     

     



    The huge DT has come into vogue in the NFL in the last 7-10 years...with that, 300 pound or less O Linemen are going to be extinct...you can use technique on pass protection but only to a degree...if the DT's are both strong and athletic (fast and quick) they will simply walk the interior O Linemen back into the QB or disrupt the beginning of running plays (pulls, trap blocks, even zone blocking)....our interior O Linemen have to get bigger, more athletic and stronger to match up with the behemoths...Good-bye Wendell and hopefully Connoly moves to Center, maybe moving Cannon (6-5, 335) to RG next to Sea Bass...in the long term, we have to start drafting some atlhletic big men at OG and OC...imho

     



    Not only huge... there's huge DTs who just clog lanes. Over the past few years, we've seen huge DTs who can push the line or penetrate. 

    To me even could be upgraded, albeit not the most pressing upgrade need. He ahs the size, but I do not think he has the requisite nastiness. Gabe Jackson is a nasty version of Cannon (2 inches shorter).

     
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    I'm a little nervous with Wendell as our center. Since 07', our playoff losses ofter have correlated with Brady getting pressured up the middle. Even our loss to Denver, the interior of the OL struggled.

     

     

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    MB and other Gurus

    Would like to draw your attention to a very illuminating article in Pats Pulpit by Richard Hill.

    He outlines the offensive line and running back situation with the Pats particularly in yards per carry in short yardage situations.

    Sammy Morris in 2008 Maroney was injured shows up best. Kevin Faulk does in converting third downs.

    However the graph shows the differences and he relates that to our OL personnel.

    The difference is from the decline of Koppen and Neal and the upside in 2011 is the presence of  Brian Waters. Look at the DECLINE since. Now the interior line is virtually  the worst in BB's era.

    If Connolly and Wendell are our best how are we going to change the downward slide on that graph? 

    This sends out a massive red flag to me also for keeping Brady upright as if he is injured you can all take holidays early.

    With that in mind it is imperative we improve those positions and find a particular running back to take advantage of those situations.

    I think I am changing from LB for pick 29 in the draft now.

    Any suggestions??? Thoughts.

     

     




     
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    Here's my full 7 round draft: C.J. Moseley ILB, Cyril Richardson G, Kelcy Quarles DT, C.J. Fiedorowicz TE, Tyler Larsen C, Tom Savage QB, Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB, Kevin Norwood WR.

    This is even better than my 4 round draft from yesterday!

     
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    I'm a little nervous with Wendell as our center. Since 07', our playoff losses ofter have correlated with Brady getting pressured up the middle. Even our loss to Denver, the interior of the OL struggled.

     

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    Pressure up the middle is not just an OL thing. Teams know that TB is not a threat to run even a few yards down the middle. He used to be able to get a few critical first downs with his legs, and opposing Ds had to play more honest then that they do now.

     
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    I'm a little nervous with Wendell as our center. Since 07', our playoff losses ofter have correlated with Brady getting pressured up the middle. Even our loss to Denver, the interior of the OL struggled.

     

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    Pressure up the middle is not just an OL thing. Teams know that TB is not a threat to run even a few yards down the middle. He used to be able to get a few critical first downs with his legs, and opposing Ds had to play more honest then that they do now.



    Agreed...the Pats have a little more to deal with because TB's sole liability is his lack of mobility since his knee injury

     
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    Here's my full 7 round draft: C.J. Moseley ILB, Cyril Richardson G, Kelcy Quarles DT, C.J. Fiedorowicz TE, Tyler Larsen C, Tom Savage QB, Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB, Kevin Norwood WR.

    This is even better than my 4 round draft from yesterday!



    When you run the 7 rounder a few times and change up some selections early, you start to realize just how deep the draft this year is...

     
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    Here's my full 7 round draft: C.J. Moseley ILB, Cyril Richardson G, Kelcy Quarles DT, C.J. Fiedorowicz TE, Tyler Larsen C, Tom Savage QB, Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB, Kevin Norwood WR.

    This is even better than my 4 round draft from yesterday!



    When you run the 7 rounder a few times and change up some selections early, you start to realize just how deep the draft this year is...

    I also found out that if I take certain positions first it changes the upcoming selections, hey but that's exactly how a draft works. I found by taking Defensive players in the first round my other selections are more palatable. I'll run a few more to see what happens.


     
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    Here's my full 7 round draft: C.J. Moseley ILB, Cyril Richardson G, Kelcy Quarles DT, C.J. Fiedorowicz TE, Tyler Larsen C, Tom Savage QB, Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB, Kevin Norwood WR.

    This is even better than my 4 round draft from yesterday!



    When you run the 7 rounder a few times and change up some selections early, you start to realize just how deep the draft this year is...

    I also found out that if I take certain positions first it changes the upcoming selections, hey but that's exactly how a draft works. I found by taking Defensive players in the first round my other selections are more palatable. I'll run a few more to see what happens.




    That sounds logical if the simulator is setup to reflect that there is relatively more depth on the O side.

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 



    And he should be...the day of the 6-2, 240 pound back are coming to an end...the passing game and gargantuan O lINEMEN ARE DICTATING THIS...HEFTY, SHORTER BACKS THAT CAN POP OUT INTO THE NEXT LEVEL BY HIDING BEHIND THESE HUMAN WALLS ON THE o LiNE ARE TAKING OVER THE GAME...QUICKNESS IS VALUED MORE THAN RAW SPEED...THEY ONLY NEED A CRACK TO EXPLODE...(OPPS, caps) sorry...

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.

     



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

     

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 



    And he should be...the day of the 6-2, 240 pound back are coming to an end...the passing game and gargantuan O lINEMEN ARE DICTATING THIS...HEFTY, SHORTER BACKS THAT CAN POP OUT INTO THE NEXT LEVEL BY HIDING BEHIND THESE HUMAN WALLS ON THE o LiNE ARE TAKING OVER THE GAME...QUICKNESS IS VALUED MORE THAN RAW SPEED...THEY ONLY NEED A CRACK TO EXPLODE...(OPPS, caps) sorry...



    I was thinking the same thing when I was watching some tape on these bigger backs...I was thinking...how are these guys going to get outside? What happens if the run isn't blocked perfectly? Because I've watched that stuff when Benny was here - he'd take a pitch left, not have enough speed to get outside and not have the ability to take advantage of the huge cutback lanes that were open for him on his right. The defense would overplay that run on us because they knew he couldn't cut back and hurt them. I could only imagine how it would be if we had a back that could scare a defense...what would they do? Because you can't bring 8 guys up in the box against Brady - he will kill you - and yet if you had a true feature back, they'd have to.

    Dont get me wrong, I think bigger backs have value at certain times, but right now I'd take a guy like Shanky, he will get yards on his own. And for a guy on the smaller side, he's strong enough to break tackles. I keep hearing how powerful some of these bigger backs are and that's not always true...most of these guys won't break tackles unless they have a full head of steam going into the defender. Too often I see these bigger guys go right down if they aren't 4 yards into their run, that's not power.

     
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    I think the Patriots will either draft a RB or sign a UDFA RB. I don't know which guy they are looking at but knowing BB he has a list to work from.

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.

     



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

     

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 



    And he should be...the day of the 6-2, 240 pound back are coming to an end...the passing game and gargantuan O lINEMEN ARE DICTATING THIS...HEFTY, SHORTER BACKS THAT CAN POP OUT INTO THE NEXT LEVEL BY HIDING BEHIND THESE HUMAN WALLS ON THE o LiNE ARE TAKING OVER THE GAME...QUICKNESS IS VALUED MORE THAN RAW SPEED...THEY ONLY NEED A CRACK TO EXPLODE...(OPPS, caps) sorry...



    I think you'll always see a small scattering of bigger backs (i.e. Le'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy & Blount, etc.) and you have Hyde, Hill and Williams in this class that are all 230 or mor, though most lead backs are 5-10 - 6-0 and 215 - 225 or so on average.

     

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.



    Yeah, very good player... runs hard for a smaller back, can catch the football and has some ability in pass pro, so he'll make it hard for a HC/OC to take him off the field as you mention.

    I think he's an option for them on Day 2 if they're looking to go that route, but I think Rd 1 is too rich for him.

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.

     

     



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

     

     

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 



    And he should be...the day of the 6-2, 240 pound back are coming to an end...the passing game and gargantuan O lINEMEN ARE DICTATING THIS...HEFTY, SHORTER BACKS THAT CAN POP OUT INTO THE NEXT LEVEL BY HIDING BEHIND THESE HUMAN WALLS ON THE o LiNE ARE TAKING OVER THE GAME...QUICKNESS IS VALUED MORE THAN RAW SPEED...THEY ONLY NEED A CRACK TO EXPLODE...(OPPS, caps) sorry...



    I think you'll always see a small scattering of bigger backs (i.e. Le'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy & Blount, etc.) and you have Hyde, Hill and Williams in this class that are all 230 or mor, though most lead backs are 5-10 - 6-0 and 215 - 225 or so on average.

     



    Yes, there are a couple every year that do well and are drafted high...but they are becoming the exception where they used to be the rule...it wasn't that long ago that everyone wanted a Jerome Bettis type back....now the rule are guys  not  more than 6 feet and not much more than 210 pounds...even Ridley added an extra 10 to get up to his current 220 because he felt he needed more if he was to make it through the entire season as the team's workhorse back....smaller and shiftier is in, bruiser seems to be out.

     
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    I can't stop watching Bishop Sankey stuff, too me he is going to really help some team. He just has special vision. This guy maybe isn't all that big, but he runs strong, he's quick, he makes runs that few guys can and he can pass block. I like what I've seen from him. He looks good in every game I've seen him in.

    Any chance this guy sneaks into the end of round one? Any chance we surprise and go for a running back early? I know it may not be a priority, but I think this kid is the type that won't have to come off the field and will add a dimension to our offense that we might not be able to get with a lot of guys.

     

     



    The only reason you won't see him in the first and maybe the 2nd is because there is so much talent that simply cannot be bypassed , unless some GM and Coach think he's their #1 difference maker...

     

     

    After running many iterations of the draft generator it's pretty obvious that running back is one area that both quantity and quality are somewhat lacking but value can be had...it just depends on how badly someone wants them...

    I think you'll see lots of dealing for additional picks in rounds 3 through 6...this is where the draft will be made or lost, IMO




    If this kid makes it to the third round, then the NFL really devalues runners and this draft is the deepest in history. There's a lot to like about Bishop  - I don't see too many guys with that kind of vision, pad level, power per pound, elusiveness, ability to block, ability to catch...he may not have prototypical size, but we are not talking about a 190 pound kid here...I think he's going to be a feature back. 



    And he should be...the day of the 6-2, 240 pound back are coming to an end...the passing game and gargantuan O lINEMEN ARE DICTATING THIS...HEFTY, SHORTER BACKS THAT CAN POP OUT INTO THE NEXT LEVEL BY HIDING BEHIND THESE HUMAN WALLS ON THE o LiNE ARE TAKING OVER THE GAME...QUICKNESS IS VALUED MORE THAN RAW SPEED...THEY ONLY NEED A CRACK TO EXPLODE...(OPPS, caps) sorry...



    I think you'll always see a small scattering of bigger backs (i.e. Le'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy & Blount, etc.) and you have Hyde, Hill and Williams in this class that are all 230 or mor, though most lead backs are 5-10 - 6-0 and 215 - 225 or so on average.

     



    Yes, there are a couple every year that do well and are drafted high...but they are becoming the exception where they used to be the rule...it wasn't that long ago that everyone wanted a Jerome Bettis type back....now the rule are guys  not  more than 6 feet and not much more than 210 pounds...even Ridley added an extra 10 to get up to his current 220 because he felt he needed more if he was to make it through the entire season as the team's workhorse back....smaller and shiftier is in, bruiser seems to be out.



    I personally don't think either is out... I think teams want both types, so they can compliment each other.  Ridley is actually down 5 pounds from his combine weight (225 at the combine, 220 now).

     
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