***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Could say the same thing about Urban or even a Stinson, IMO.  I think Urban is pretty underrated by most publications.

    I'm still hoping they target front 7 (where we agree) or Kelvin Benjamin in Rd 1... don't really see a true TE outside of Ebron that I like in that range and that includes Niklas, ASJ and Amaro.

     



    Yeah I'm not seeing a TE I'd spend a 1st on either. CJ or Niklas in the 2nd, by all means but none in the 1st. I want to go front 7 in the 1st and more preferably front 4. I'm just not seeing a lot of LB's I'd spend a 1st on either. Not overall impressed with Ford. Think he's a bit 1 dimensional for a 1st round pick, Van Noy might sneak in there but for some reason he doesn't scream 1st rounder to me either, Attaochu to me you can put with Murphy, Smith, and Van Noy and roll the dice with any of them in the 2nd. But, unless Ealy falls (Something I don't see) or you want to convert Donald to a elephant (possible) I just don't see any LB I want to spend a 1st on. This draft is looking more and more to me as you either grab Tuitt, Nix, or Hageman in the 1st or you trade back to no later than the mid 2nd.

    Mid 2nd you should have your choice of Niklas, CJ, Smith, Attaochu, Van Noy, Murphy, D. Jones, or Ferguson.

    As for WR, after watching some more film I'm not seeing a large difference between Benjamin and Moncreif (well other than 2"). Clearly Benjamin has the size you drool over but Moncreif has blazing speed with great size too. They both have similar catching ability and similar route running. I think the prime difference is who was throwing them the ball and the offense they ran. You flip programs and I think Mocreif would be the back of the 1st prospect while Benjamin would be the late 2nd.

    I also wouldn't rule out Coleman either. Even recovering from his knee injury he still out ran Benjamin and his hands improved through the season so he can learn. The biggest question for me is if he can learn the system. Reports are Harrison is having a hard time grasping basic routes so is it the season they played for or the player? If it's the player and Coleman can get the system he could be a prime example of a player in a bad system then otherwise might have goen top 20 in a receiver friendly system.



    Coleman could very well be in the picture... the size and connection is certainly there... just a matter of where he's targeted.  If we're talking Rd 3 or preferably Rd 4, then I'd more OK with it than if we're talking Rd 2.  There are a number of kids that I like over him in this class.

    Yeah, 3 inches and 20 or so pounds on Moncrief... I  just think he presents more matchup problems for a defense and I'm a guy who really likes Moncrief.

    Believe it or not, McShay has Latimer in Rd 1 of his latest mock, for whatever that's worth.

     
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    According to Gil Brandt in his top 32 there will be 4 QB's and 6WR's taken in round 1, this is the best news the Patriiots could have ever received ! Should the draft fall this way the Patriots have a choice of getting a guy they want or trade for a king's ransom!!! Let's pray Gil is right..

     

     
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    According to Gil Brandt in his top 32 there will be 4 QB's and 6WR's taken in round 1, this is the best news the Patriiots could have ever received ! Should the draft fall this way the Patriots have a choice of getting a guy they want or trade for a king's ransom!!! Let's pray Gil is right..

     



    My guess:  3 QBs (Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater) and 5 WRs (Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin, and Lee)

     
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    The Pats will get a solid, talented and reliable starter at #29 if they stay there...if they trade back as many as 10 picks they could do the same...it's a deep draft with surprises all the way to the end of the 7th round...the last guy picked will most likely beat the "Mr. Irrelevant" tag

     
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    According to Gil Brandt in his top 32 there will be 4 QB's and 6WR's taken in round 1, this is the best news the Patriiots could have ever received ! Should the draft fall this way the Patriots have a choice of getting a guy they want or trade for a king's ransom!!! Let's pray Gil is right..

     



    My guess:  3 QBs (Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater) and 5 WRs (Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin, and Lee)



    I'd assume Beckham will be in there as well.

     
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    According to Gil Brandt in his top 32 there will be 4 QB's and 6WR's taken in round 1, this is the best news the Patriiots could have ever received ! Should the draft fall this way the Patriots have a choice of getting a guy they want or trade for a king's ransom!!! Let's pray Gil is right..

     



    My guess:  3 QBs (Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater) and 5 WRs (Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin, and Lee)



    I'd assume Beckham will be in there as well.



    Could be.  He could actually replace Lee, who I dont think is a first round lock.

     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?

     
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    The Pats will get a solid, talented and reliable starter at #29 if they stay there...if they trade back as many as 10 picks they could do the same...it's a deep draft with surprises all the way to the end of the 7th round...the last guy picked will most likely beat the "Mr. Irrelevant" tag



    Not sure I completely believe this. I've heard and seen this before and trading back those 15 spots saw 5 names the Pats could have easily targetted come flying off the board. If the guy you want is there and he will become a solid talented starter I say take him why risk not getting your player just for a couple extra mid round picks? For example say Nix, Hageman, and Tuitt are all there at 29 and say Tampa offers to move up, well there is the chance all 3 could disappear before your next pick. Honestly I think this is what happened in 11' draft. The Pats liked Wilkerson but had the 33rd pick. They thought at 28 no one would take him before #33 and got a good deal and took it. Then they scrambled when they couldn't move out of #33 (reports were they went into panic trying all night to get rid of the pick for a good deal) and ended up taking Ras I because there was no one else they were in love with at that point. 

    I keep hearing it's a deep draft, but I've heard this before and in those deep drafts the Pats typically don't come out well by trading back. This might be another case where it's deep with good talent but shallow in great talent upfront (ala 09'). If that's the case spend your early picks (1st and 2nd) and trade you're 3rd and 4th to teams willing to give up higher picks next year to take advantage of the deep draft. This is a great year to trade that 4th for a 5th this year and a 3rd next year.

     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?




    I know I'm not going out on a limb here, but I like Clowney, I just don't think there are too many people on the planet that can do the things he can. I know he had a bad year, but the fact remains there aren't many people with that type of talent.

    Where we are picking I like Tuitt, but the foot really worries me. I like Brandin Cooks. I like Amaro. I like Attaochu...Dee Ford....Nix. I absolutely hate the thought of drafting Kony Ealy - I seriously have watched 10 of his games to find out just what everyone likes about him - I still haven't found much of anything but his size. Honestly I could probably list 5 receivers I like in the late first, to mid/late second range...a few running backs too.

     
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    The Pats will get a solid, talented and reliable starter at #29 if they stay there...if they trade back as many as 10 picks they could do the same...it's a deep draft with surprises all the way to the end of the 7th round...the last guy picked will most likely beat the "Mr. Irrelevant" tag



    Not sure I completely believe this. I've heard and seen this before and trading back those 15 spots saw 5 names the Pats could have easily targetted come flying off the board. If the guy you want is there and he will become a solid talented starter I say take him why risk not getting your player just for a couple extra mid round picks? For example say Nix, Hageman, and Tuitt are all there at 29 and say Tampa offers to move up, well there is the chance all 3 could disappear before your next pick. Honestly I think this is what happened in 11' draft. The Pats liked Wilkerson but had the 33rd pick. They thought at 28 no one would take him before #33 and got a good deal and took it. Then they scrambled when they couldn't move out of #33 (reports were they went into panic trying all night to get rid of the pick for a good deal) and ended up taking Ras I because there was no one else they were in love with at that point. 

    I keep hearing it's a deep draft, but I've heard this before and in those deep drafts the Pats typically don't come out well by trading back. This might be another case where it's deep with good talent but shallow in great talent upfront (ala 09'). If that's the case spend your early picks (1st and 2nd) and trade you're 3rd and 4th to teams willing to give up higher picks next year to take advantage of the deep draft. This is a great year to trade that 4th for a 5th this year and a 3rd next year.




    The trading back thing scares me too, I think far too often they have targeted 4-5 players that they thought would still be there when they selected and missed out on all of them before...then ended up reaching on someone else. Maybe if there ever was a year to do it, it is now, but I too am scared to hear "this is a deep draft". I hear that every year, then after the draft GM's come out and say whatever the hell they want to say about the draft to fit their agenda...they lie...they always do. Personally I think if there is a guy there who is rated higher than the others, take him, just do it. Don't get cute.

     
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    According to Gil Brandt in his top 32 there will be 4 QB's and 6WR's taken in round 1, this is the best news the Patriiots could have ever received ! Should the draft fall this way the Patriots have a choice of getting a guy they want or trade for a king's ransom!!! Let's pray Gil is right..

     



    My guess:  3 QBs (Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater) and 5 WRs (Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin, and Lee)



    I'd assume Beckham will be in there as well.

    I think his 4rth QB is Carr.


     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?

    top O/D

    Sammy Watkins

    Calvin Pryor

     

     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?

    top O/D

    Sammy Watkins

    Calvin Pryor

     

    Greg Robinson, he's the most dominant player in this draft.


     
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    Greg Robinson is the safest pick in the draft in my opinion. I really like Sammy Watkins too, but WR is sometimes hard to evaluate how it translates to the pros. 

     
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    I think he will be a Pro Bowl player for 10 years - safe and dominating. 

     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?



    Not sure I can name just one so I'll break it down to a couple different catagories:

    Highest potential - Hageman DT

    Best pats fit - Fiedorowicz TE

    Biggest sleeper - Joe Don Duncan TE

    Biggest star eye'd dreamer - McKinnon RB

    Best steal due to injury - Exum S

     
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    I know I am nuts but I can't shake the feeling that BB is going to "screw us again" by picking someone nobody saw coming at 29 - someone like Jackson Jeffcoat or Allan Robinson or Zach Mettenberg. I am just convinced he loves to stick it to the experts. I say he goes with Marcus Roberson the CB from Florida at 29.

    My favorite players remain the small school guys - Dakota Dozier and Billy Turner, Walt Aiken, Joe Don Duncan and so on. If I had to pick one I'd say Jerrick McKinnon.

     
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    Updated Mock Draft 4/14/2014:

     

    Round 1 - Dee Ford - DE Auburn

     

    Round 2 - Martavis Bryant - WR Clemson

     

    Round 3 - C.J Fiedorowicz - TE Iowa

     

    Round 4 - JaWuan James - OT Tennessee

     

    Round 4 - Kelcy Quarles - DT South Carolina 

     

    Round 6 - Connor Shaw - QB South Carolina 

     

    Round 7 - Tyler Gaffney - RB Stanford

     
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    Dee Ford looks like a very good pass rusher. He would be an upgrade to Nink in passing downs.

     

    My only concern is that he'd initially just be a rush specialist. Seems too small/light to play on 1st/run downs.

     

     

     

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    Updated Mock Draft 4/14/2014:

     

    Round 1 - Dee Ford - DE Auburn

     

    Round 2 - Martavis Bryant - WR Clemson

     

    Round 3 - C.J Fiedorowicz - TE Iowa

     

    Round 4 - JaWuan James - OT Tennessee

     

    Round 4 - Kelcy Quarles - DT South Carolina 

     

    Round 6 - Connor Shaw - QB South Carolina 

     

    Round 7 - Tyler Gaffney - RB Stanford




     
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    Question for everyone... Who is your favorite prospect in this class, regardless of where he's projected to be picked?



    Not sure I can name just one so I'll break it down to a couple different catagories:

    Highest potential - Hageman DT

    Best pats fit - Fiedorowicz TE

    Biggest sleeper - Joe Don Duncan TE

    Biggest star eye'd dreamer - McKinnon RB

    Best steal due to injury - Exum S



    Robinson...has everything to be an all-pro for 10+ years...might be the safest pick in this draft

     
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