***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Then why did you reference him as the next Edelman? The only logical comparison would be the next Danny Woodhead. Yeah I don't like using the Genius label and prefer the Bozo then no one gets their panties in a bunch when I critic their opinions.


     





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    Because both would be converted QB's from college transitioning to new positions in the Pro's. Like Edelman McKinnon shows a lot of potential at his new position but will need a year or two to develop into it. Most think McKinnon in his first year will earn his spot on STs and most think he could do it as a return man. With the exception of position (which btw Edelman mainly plays outside not in the slot) they are actually very comparable.

     
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    Then why did you reference him as the next Edelman? The only logical comparison would be the next Danny Woodhead. Yeah I don't like using the Genius label and prefer the Bozo then no one gets their panties in a bunch when I critic their opinions.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





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    Because both would be converted QB's from college transitioning to new positions in the Pro's. Like Edelman McKinnon shows a lot of potential at his new position but will need a year or two to develop into it. Most think McKinnon in his first year will earn his spot on STs and most think he could do it as a return man. With the exception of position (which btw Edelman mainly plays outside not in the slot) they are actually very comparable.


     


    I disagree with your assumption that #11 plays more on the WR position than he does in the slot receiver position. If you want to compare McKinnon to Edelman as being former college QB's that's about where it ends. Whether or not he becomes a surprise starter at some point in his career I can't see BB wasting more than a 6th round draft choice on him. . Though the CBS big board has him listed as the #137 best player in this draft

     
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    I disagree with your assumption that #11 plays more on the WR position than he does in the slot receiver position. If you want to compare McKinnon to Edelman as being former college QB's that's about where it ends. Whether or not he becomes a surprise starter at some point in his career I can't see BB wasting more than a 6th round draft choice on him. . Though the CBS big board has him listed as the #137 best player in this draft


     



    I'm actually pretty sure he plays more WR (actually almost 100% of the time except those couple times he was a RB than a WR) but according to pro football focus he made a little less than half his catches from the slot position and most of those catches came when Amendola was not playing. When Amendola was playing Edelman was mostly on the outside while Amendola lined up mostly in the slot.


    As for the Edelman/McKinnon comparison, other than them both being college QB's, both switching positions at the pro level, both having scouts believe they need to break through rosters as return men, both posting top notch 3 cone numbers at the combine, both known for quick juke moves and being elusive, and both with day 3 grades yep nothing a like in the least.


    Then again you thought McKinnon was a WR so I guess you must know a lot about him to make a proper comparison.

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    Could NE bring in a potential late round gem at RB?


    We know BB likes big backs and Indiana's Stephen Houston is that, at 5-10 225.  He also was outstanding at his Pro Day, with a listed 4.46/4.52 40, 11 in broad jump, 40 in vert, 7.07 3C, 4.23 SS and 24 reps @ 225.


    There isn't a ton of film available on him, but he did show some speed, burst, power, balance and agility in what I did see... and he's had some decent production as a 3 year player


    2011: 151-802-8


    2012: 161-749-12


    2013: 112-753- 5


    He's also flashed some hands and has caught 65 balls during his career.


    NE has also appears to have worked him out.

     
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    Mississippi St. ......hahaha

     
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    Mississippi St. ......hahaha





    I'm not getting the reference? ha

     
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    BJGE, Bolden. Thought they went there. Seems like we like their RB's.

     
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    BJGE, Bolden. Thought they went there. Seems like we like their RB's.





    Ahh, gotcha... both were Ole Miss backs, though ironically, Benny started his career at Indiana, ha.

     
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    The final mock is finally coming into focus and while I could very well see them targeting Niklas or ASJ or CJF on day 2... I have them waiting until Day 3, Rd 7 actually, to select a TE... we'll see if I change my mind before draft day.

     
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    I disagree with your assumption that #11 plays more on the WR position than he does in the slot receiver position. If you want to compare McKinnon to Edelman as being former college QB's that's about where it ends. Whether or not he becomes a surprise starter at some point in his career I can't see BB wasting more than a 6th round draft choice on him. . Though the CBS big board has him listed as the #137 best player in this draft


     


     


     


     


     


     


     



     


     


     


    I'm actually pretty sure he plays more WR (actually almost 100% of the time except those couple times he was a RB than a WR) but according to pro football focus he made a little less than half his catches from the slot position and most of those catches came when Amendola was not playing. When Amendola was playing Edelman was mostly on the outside while Amendola lined up mostly in the slot.


     


     


     


    As for the Edelman/McKinnon comparison, other than them both being college QB's, both switching positions at the pro level, both having scouts believe they need to break through rosters as return men, both posting top notch 3 cone numbers at the combine, both known for quick juke moves and being elusive, and both with day 3 grades yep nothing a like in the least.


     


     


     


    Then again you thought McKinnon was a WR so I guess you must know a lot about him to make a proper comparison.

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    Take the bunch out of your panties! Who gives a rats patoot about where McKinnon played position wise or for that fact where he projects as a pro! He just another midget RB,QB, KR or whatever your dream is. I looked him enough to find out what you were raving about, personally I don't see anything worth jumping up and down for...He'll be drafted in some round between late 3 and 7. No big deal. Oh by the 50.3 percent of the time #11 lined up at WR as opposed to 49.7 percent of the snaps at SWR which is his position once Dobson returns. He simply moved outside out of necessity.


     
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    Some Pre-Draft Superlatives:


    Here's my stab. Unfortunately, for some categories, I can't decide between two prospects.


    Favorite Offensive Prospect- Brandin Cooks and Gabe Jackson


    Favorite Defensive Prospect- Khalil Mack and Kyle Fuller


    Favorite Small School Prospect- Does Buffalo (Khalil Mack) count?


    Favorite Tweener- Telvin Smith


    Biggest Sleeper-


    Late Round Steal- Vinnie Sunseri


    Looks The Part- Troy Niklas


    No Thanks- Colt Lyerla


    I Bet Belichick Loved His 3C and Workouts- Brandin Cooks


    The Most Underrated- Tyler Gaffney or Bryan Stork


    The Most Overrated- Tom Savage (I like him as a backup; Is he really 2 rnds better than McCarron?)


    The Most Maddening Prospect To Watch- Ra'Shede Hageman


    The Most Mocked To New England- CJ Fiedorowicz


    The Best Player That No One Really Talks About- Will Clarke or Carl Bradford


    The Best Player That Many Have Never Heard Of- Nevada CB Phillip Gaines


    The Best Potential Value- VT DB Antone Exum (talent vs. expected draft position)


    The Smartest Prospect- John Urschel


    The Next Edelman-


    The Next Welker- UDFA slot receiver who will be good in the NFL? Brandon Wimberly


    Undrafted Tall Receiver who will have a good NFL career - Lacoltan Bester (I am assuming he's in the draft)


    Undrafted RB who will have a good NFL career - Marion Grice


    The Next Mankins- Nasty good OG? Gabe Jackson


    The Next Chandler- Not sure what this means... Marcus Smith


    The Next DMC- Drafted high as a CB then ending up being a good S? Jean-Baptiste


    The Next Honey Badger (on the field)-

     
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    Sleeper RB from OURLADS evaluation.


    Underrated Running Backs (Sleepers/Gems)
    Posted on April 10, 2014 by Dan Shonka
    By Nolan Kuzmick, Ourlads’ Draft Analyst



    LaDarius Perkins–Mississippi State, rSr: Hits holes quick, doesn’t need much space to get through. Has nice soft hands, catches the ball and gets up field immediately. Lowers his shoulder and powers into defenders, always going forward. Stops fast and has the ability to change direction quickly. Lays a nice chip on defenders when blocking. Had very solid results at the combine. My top RB sleeper this year. Projected FA, worthy of a 3rd round choice



    Branden Oliver–Buffalo, rSr: Powerful back with good size to run over guys and carry them with him. Can be used in short yardage situations, but also has the speed to weave through defenders and find the end zone. Doesn’t have the fastest cuts, but settles his feet and prepares for impact and takes time to cut in the correct direction, once he decides he has good acceleration. Has the ability to lose defenders with his cuts and find open field. Showed improvement in his catching, pass protection and quickness in cuts during his senior season. Projected FA, worthy of a 5th round choice
    Tim Flanders–Sam Houston State, rSr: Runs with good pad level and can push for extra yards while being tackled, puts his shoulder down and inflicts the hit. Has a nice slide hop sideways to find the running lane, great lateral movement. Runs with nice patience, but gets upfield immediately once it’s open. Has good hands out of the back field, gets out of the back field fast and finds open field, can catch the intermediate to long balls. Can grind out the tough yards and shows a burst of speed. Efficient style runner who gets the tough yards and can break it. Smaller school talent that didn’t receive enough recognition. Projected FA, worthy of a 5th round pick



    Kapri Bibbs–Colorado State, rSo: Has a zig-zag running style, cutting back often. Has good hips and is elusive with his cut back, losing defenders. Can plow through arm tackles and get yards after contact with nice leg drive. Strong runner that makes space and can get large chunk yardage, but is mainly a grind it out kind of runner. Projected FA, worthy of a 6th round pick


    Storm Johnson-UCF, rJr: Johnson can take it all the way on any given play and his elusiveness and acceleration are most impressive. He can stop and start and cutback to find running lanes, making each play exciting. Johnson is extraordinary catching out of the backfield and on draws. His skill set fits a third down RB in the NFL, but at 215 pounds he may be an every down back if he can prove he can run it up the middle at the next level and carry the load. Projected 5th round, worthy of a 3rd round choice



    Vintavious Cooper–East Carolina, Sr: Elusive 3rd down back that is best on draws and screens. Can slip through small holes and sneak past defenders, dangerous when he can get in the open field and make big plays. Has nice hands and can run through arm tackles. Explosive in his cuts, runs very sharp and crisp. Isn’t a big powerful runner, but at 200 pounds he isn’t the easiest to bring down, runs hard for a player with his size and speed. Has a playing style similar to Darren Sproles or Jaquizz Rodgers. Projected FA, worthy of a 6th round choice

     
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    Have just read the last 5-6 pages has taken me awhile to get used to the changes.  After reading about all the running backs I am thinking we might grab one in the first three rounds. Not sure what bb thinks about Ridley. I hate the draft in May has really thrown me off. Reading lindys draft guide they have Kadeem Carey from Arizona as their # 1 do not remember seeing him play this year, love all the talk on Sankey but is he too similar to vereen? 

     
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    Have just read the last 5-6 pages has taken me awhile to get used to the changes.  After reading about all the running backs I am thinking we might grab one in the first three rounds. Not sure what bb thinks about Ridley. I hate the draft in May has really thrown me off. Reading lindys draft guide they have Kadeem Carey from Arizona as their # 1 do not remember seeing him play this year, love all the talk on Sankey but is he too similar to vereen? 





    It should be noted that both Ridley and Vereen will be free-agents in 2015 (not sure if they have 5th year options), now they could re-sign one or both, but it would probably make sense for them to target (1) back in this class.


    Yes, Sankey is more Vereen and I also like Devonte Freeman in that capacity.


    If they're looking for more of an every down back, Hyde, Hill (both of which have character questions) and Andre Williams should interest them... on Day 3, I like Gaffney, Rajion Neal, Alfred Blue, Stephen Houston and Lorenzo Taliaferro.


     

     
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    Sankey!





    Kid is a very, very good football player... I'd love to see him in Foxboro.

     
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    Sankey over McKinnon as a rb...McKinnon over Sankey as an athlete....depends on what you need most...both are finds and will make whoever takes them happy!

     
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    Updated Mock Draft 4/29/2014:


    Round 1 - Dee Ford - DE Auburn


    Round 2 - Bruce Ellington - WR South Carolina


    Round 3 - CJ Fiedorowicz - TE Iowa


    Round 4 - will Clarke - DE WVU


    Round 4 - OL- Anthony Steen - OT Alabama


    Round 6 - Connor Shaw - QB South Carolina


    Round 7 - Tyler Gaffney - RB Stanford

     
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    What is everyone's. " nightmare scenario" for this draft?  Is there a player that you really don't want to see NE select?  I have a few:


    -Easley in the first or second.  Both knees are reconstructed.  I think he is the next Ras-I and I just hope we are not the team dumb enough to waste a pick on him. 


    -Joel Bitonio in the 1st.  Don't get me wrong, I like him, just not enough to use a 1st on him.  I'd be just fine with taking him in the 2nd.


    -Colt Lyerla at any point.  The guy is a loser.

     
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    Definitely Easley any earlier than the third round would anger/scare/dumbfound me

     
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    Looks like we know who the Bills are going to draft. They are reportedly very interested in Sammy Watkins. As we know with the Bills, when reports come out that they are extremely interested in a player they usually take them, ala Manuel, Gilmore, and the one where there was so much smoke you couldn't see 1" in front of you CJ Spiller.



    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus

     
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    From Twitter yesterday, Nick Caserio said the 2014 class is deep at WR, RB, and DL. Not like any of us were pushing for a RB in the 1st or 2nd round anyway. But as others have said, with WR being so strong this year, we are sure to be able to find one to compete with Boyce for a roster spot. Again, more smoke screen if it was said. 


    I'm almost wondering if Shazier, Barr, Roby or even Morgan Moses are available, we take LB, CB,  OL in the first. If a value pick isn't there, they trade down. 


    I'm not going to speculate who they will get or where - but here are some of my favorite players (I'm not showing guys that I don't think we have a chance to get)


    DL - Ealy, Nix, Jernigan, Ferguson, Jones, Clark, Urban


    OLB - Barr, Shazier, Attaochu, Tripp


    ILB - Borland (love this guy), Skov, Kirksey


    S - Pryor, Buchanon


    CB - Roby, Verett, Jean-Baptiste


    OL - Sua Filo, Richburg, Moses, Mewhort, Turner


    WR - Mathews, Moncrief, Landry 


    RB - Hill, Seastrunk


    QB - Mettenberger, McCarron (I think he gets overdrafted- reminds me of Chad Pennington with a slightly better arm and hotter GF)


    TE - Federowitz, Niklas


    A lot of guys which have been talked about. Some guys I don't want - Hageman - not a risk taker and he looks like high risk. Tuitt - not a fan and I know some of you guys are. Don't like Logan Thomas - too much work to do on that guy - in my opinion. Not a fan of Jace Amaro - seems like a system guy to me and he can't block. 


    I will admit I do not do the level of research some of you do - especially MB, but I do enjoy reading the posts and seeing a great haul for the Pats. 

     
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    Just my opinion, but I think that the "high risk" label associated with Hageman is being somewhat overblown.  "Raw" tends to concern me more with linebackers offense of lineman wide receivers and quarterbacks.  I think the size and athleticism that Hageman possesses will make him at the very worst an average defensive lineman.  However, with the right coaching and work ethic which I have heard he has, I think you will be a very special player.  


     

     
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    What is everyone's. " nightmare scenario" for this draft?  Is there a player that you really don't want to see NE select?  I have a few:


     


    -Easley in the first or second.  Both knees are reconstructed.  I think he is the next Ras-I and I just hope we are not the team dumb enough to waste a pick on him. 


     


    -Joel Bitonio in the 1st.  Don't get me wrong, I like him, just not enough to use a 1st on him.  I'd be just fine with taking him in the 2nd.


     


    -Colt Lyerla at any point.  The guy is a loser.





    Things I really don't wanna see:


    NE selecting an OL not named Zack Martin (he should be long gone) in Rd 1, though I get it if they do.


    NE selecting Tom Savage within the Top 100.


    NE selecting Will Sutton within the Top 100.


    NE selecting Brock Vereen within the Top 100... I like him more in Rd 4 or 5.


    NE reaching to select Brandon Coleman in Rd 2.


    NE selecting or signing Colt Lyerla at any point.


    NE selecting Seantrel Henderson before Rd 6 or 7, if at all.


    NE reaching 3-5 rounds for any player.


    I'm sure there are more, ha...

     
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