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    Yeah, I mean I've watched everyone of Hagemana's available game tapes and it's like groundhog day... you always go in hoping this is the game where he completely dominates and plays more consistent, but always leave feeling like you saw the same elite flashes with a bunch of meh in between... wash, rinse, repeat.


     


    If they take him at #29, I completely get it because the size, length and upside are all there and coaches love to mold/develop said talent, but I still prefer Tuitt there if given the choice.


     




    I see it the same. Not only that, Hageman's combine #'s were disappointing. He ran over 5second 40. His 3-cone (which we know BB uses) was a terrible 7.8 (compared to about 6.8 for Ealy). I would take Bucannon instead of Hageman.




    To be fair, Hageman has 35-40 pounds on Ealy... a better recent comp might be Muhammad Wilkerson, who had a 7.37 3C at 6-4 315 back in 2011... so it does show some stiffness with Hageman... although he does move well laterally with a 4.50 SS... Wilkerson was 4.59 in that drill... heck Clowney was 4.43... so 4.50 isn't bad.


    Bucannon is a kid that could potentially sneak into the back end of Rd 1, yeah... though if I had to guess, I'd say he's picked somewhere in the 40's.

     
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    Geez.  There is a ton of talk about NE selecting Easley in the 1st.  Please tell me this is just smoke.  I might literally vomit if we take an injury risk like that with our 1st Rounder in this draft...


     


     


     





    I'd be a lot more comfortable in Rd 2... I know you don't want him within the Top 3 rounds, but the kid has obvious Top 15 talent when healthy.


     


     


     


    I think the fact that there's a ton of smoke, generally means it's not going to happen, though the one year where I can remember the smoke turning into fire was 2012 with Chandler Jones.


     




    The rumors I kind of believe are the ones that happen right before the draft (a day or two before). I get the feeling that's when some real stuff somehow gets leaked. I remember when the Jones stuff got leaked...how he was rising up the charts...how the jets were interested in him...how several teams had him rated high. Those are the things I find interesting the most because that's when all the months of mock drafts kind of get blown out of whack a little bit, I could see it happening again with some of these receivers sneaking into the first, some of these tweener defensive ends slipping  out of the first...maybe some defensive tackles too. I'll tell yeah, I'm not real thrilled with a lot of the front seven defensive talent after the obvious guys - at least in terms of first round picks - there's no doubt the receivers are the first round talents. It just becomes the question of...do you grab the defensive guy early (and perhaps reach a little) and then hope the receiver talent gets pushed down a little bit? That can be risky though, a run on receivers could wipe out the talent in 15-20 selections if teams start going crazy. And with some teams needing receivers and the contracts these guys have been getting on the free agent market, it might make sense to grab those receivers when you can.





    I'd agree... I don't think BB leaks all false info, if you want to keep them guessing, you have to release both or people will just ignore anything that's leaked.


    And I do agree, the proximity of the Chandler/NE link was quite close to the draft... within a week or so of draft day if I remember correctly?


    Outside of a Brandin Cooks being available at 29 or BB making a play for a Benjamin (I know you're not overly high on him) I think you do grab the D player early, then target the WR... the WR talent is just so whacky deep in this class.  If you can score a Landry in Rd 3 (due to his lack of elite speed), I think it's a homerun.

     
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    What we need this week is Two, 2 Round Mock Draft. One Mock Draft NO Trades, use this as a guideline. sort of really teams might do if no Trades.
    The other 2 Round Mock with Trades, might give us an idea who falls and what teams like the Falcons might want to jump up if they don't  get a guy like Clowney. Or even if they Trade up for him, maybe other teams that might want a QB, or DL.
    Just a thought.




    I'd be down for a 2 round mock, though if trades are included, they'd need to be fair and in-line with the trade value chart.

     
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    Geez.  There is a ton of talk about NE selecting Easley in the 1st.  Please tell me this is just smoke.  I might literally vomit if we take an injury risk like that with our 1st Rounder in this draft...


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





    I'd be a lot more comfortable in Rd 2... I know you don't want him within the Top 3 rounds, but the kid has obvious Top 15 talent when healthy.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I think the fact that there's a ton of smoke, generally means it's not going to happen, though the one year where I can remember the smoke turning into fire was 2012 with Chandler Jones.


     


     


     




    The rumors I kind of believe are the ones that happen right before the draft (a day or two before). I get the feeling that's when some real stuff somehow gets leaked. I remember when the Jones stuff got leaked...how he was rising up the charts...how the jets were interested in him...how several teams had him rated high. Those are the things I find interesting the most because that's when all the months of mock drafts kind of get blown out of whack a little bit, I could see it happening again with some of these receivers sneaking into the first, some of these tweener defensive ends slipping  out of the first...maybe some defensive tackles too. I'll tell yeah, I'm not real thrilled with a lot of the front seven defensive talent after the obvious guys - at least in terms of first round picks - there's no doubt the receivers are the first round talents. It just becomes the question of...do you grab the defensive guy early (and perhaps reach a little) and then hope the receiver talent gets pushed down a little bit? That can be risky though, a run on receivers could wipe out the talent in 15-20 selections if teams start going crazy. And with some teams needing receivers and the contracts these guys have been getting on the free agent market, it might make sense to grab those receivers when you can.


     





    I'd agree... I don't think BB leaks all false info, if you want to keep them guessing, you have to release both or people will just ignore anything that's leaked.


     


    And I do agree, the proximity of the Chandler/NE link was quite close to the draft... within a week or so of draft day if I remember correctly?


     


    Outside of a Brandin Cooks being available at 29 or BB making a play for a Benjamin (I know you're not overly high on him) I think you do grab the D player early, then target the WR... the WR talent is just so whacky deep in this class.  If you can score a Landry in Rd 3 (due to his lack of elite speed), I think it's a homerun.




    Makes sense...I agree. I can't see Belichick going receiver in the first unless a guy like Cooks or maybe Lee is sitting there...so defense it is and I'm fine with that. Bill drafted Collins in the second last year, so I'm sure there is someone there he would make the most out of in the first or with a trade back. 


    You're right, I'm not a big Benjamin fan, but he is like so many of those players that I'd have to project going forward - and I'm not very good at that - I have a hard time saying...this guy has this, this guy has that...in a few years he's going to be this. Especially when I see the kid getting handled by smaller corners and dropping balls in Florida warmth. And with Benjamin he doesn't have that speed...so what is he? Is he going to be a tight end? Because he'll really need to get bigger and stronger to do that, and his speed will be even less then. Lord knows I've been wrong before - the kid the Chargers drafted at receiver last year was pretty good...I thought he was going to be a bust. I thought he looked too slow and wasn't going to get open in the NFL...he was the most productive rookie receiver in the NFL last year.

     
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    Geez.  There is a ton of talk about NE selecting Easley in the 1st.  Please tell me this is just smoke.  I might literally vomit if we take an injury risk like that with our 1st Rounder in this draft...


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





    I'd be a lot more comfortable in Rd 2... I know you don't want him within the Top 3 rounds, but the kid has obvious Top 15 talent when healthy.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I think the fact that there's a ton of smoke, generally means it's not going to happen, though the one year where I can remember the smoke turning into fire was 2012 with Chandler Jones.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     




    The rumors I kind of believe are the ones that happen right before the draft (a day or two before). I get the feeling that's when some real stuff somehow gets leaked. I remember when the Jones stuff got leaked...how he was rising up the charts...how the jets were interested in him...how several teams had him rated high. Those are the things I find interesting the most because that's when all the months of mock drafts kind of get blown out of whack a little bit, I could see it happening again with some of these receivers sneaking into the first, some of these tweener defensive ends slipping  out of the first...maybe some defensive tackles too. I'll tell yeah, I'm not real thrilled with a lot of the front seven defensive talent after the obvious guys - at least in terms of first round picks - there's no doubt the receivers are the first round talents. It just becomes the question of...do you grab the defensive guy early (and perhaps reach a little) and then hope the receiver talent gets pushed down a little bit? That can be risky though, a run on receivers could wipe out the talent in 15-20 selections if teams start going crazy. And with some teams needing receivers and the contracts these guys have been getting on the free agent market, it might make sense to grab those receivers when you can.


     


     


     





    I'd agree... I don't think BB leaks all false info, if you want to keep them guessing, you have to release both or people will just ignore anything that's leaked.


     


     


     


    And I do agree, the proximity of the Chandler/NE link was quite close to the draft... within a week or so of draft day if I remember correctly?


     


     


     


    Outside of a Brandin Cooks being available at 29 or BB making a play for a Benjamin (I know you're not overly high on him) I think you do grab the D player early, then target the WR... the WR talent is just so whacky deep in this class.  If you can score a Landry in Rd 3 (due to his lack of elite speed), I think it's a homerun.


     




    Makes sense...I agree. I can't see Belichick going receiver in the first unless a guy like Cooks or maybe Lee is sitting there...so defense it is and I'm fine with that. Bill drafted Collins in the second last year, so I'm sure there is someone there he would make the most out of in the first or with a trade back. 


     


    You're right, I'm not a big Benjamin fan, but he is like so many of those players that I'd have to project going forward - and I'm not very good at that - I have a hard time saying...this guy has this, this guy has that...in a few years he's going to be this. Especially when I see the kid getting handled by smaller corners and dropping balls in Florida warmth. And with Benjamin he doesn't have that speed...so what is he? Is he going to be a tight end? Because he'll really need to get bigger and stronger to do that, and his speed will be even less then. Lord knows I've been wrong before - the kid the Chargers drafted at receiver last year was pretty good...I thought he was going to be a bust. I thought he looked too slow and wasn't going to get open in the NFL...he was the most productive rookie receiver in the NFL last year.


    I think MB had us looking at Keenan Allen all along, but he wasn't there when BB projected him to be there. I like Benjamin, but WR isn't a pressing need, and this roster is just about set in stone as far as starters are concerned. If Shazier is still on the board at 29 he's a no brainer. Of course there will be the group of DT's available at 29, but do any of them really look like they will be starters from day 1? Botonio the Guard from Nevada might be the safest pick at 29. Then there is the enigma Teddy Bridgewater what do you do if he's still sitting on the board at 29? Here's the dilemma the Patriots are a very good team before they even consider drafting anyone, and there are only a few areas of weakness: Interior Offensive line, Interior Defensive line, Linebacker ILB and OLB, TE, and SS. So while everyone else in the league knows  what the Patriots need they don't know what their priority need is, hence the belief that the Patriots are blowing smoke signals on certain players. They just don't know which players are the smoke signal players and which ones are the hard targets.


     
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    Geez.  There is a ton of talk about NE selecting Easley in the 1st.  Please tell me this is just smoke.  I might literally vomit if we take an injury risk like that with our 1st Rounder in this draft...


     





    I'd be a lot more comfortable in Rd 2... I know you don't want him within the Top 3 rounds, but the kid has obvious Top 15 talent when healthy.


     


    I think the fact that there's a ton of smoke, generally means it's not going to happen, though the one year where I can remember the smoke turning into fire was 2012 with Chandler Jones.




    Yeah you're probably right.  It's all probably just a big smokescreen.  I really do love this guys talent,  I just hate his injury history.  At this point I would be okay with him taking him in the late second round, but it's looking more and more like he isn't going to be on the board at that point.  I just really hate to see Belichick reach for him at number 29.  He is done a good job the last couple years of avoiding first round busts, but Easley would be a huge risk of being just that if they spend a 1st on him.  Taking healthy, safe players in the first round would be my rule number one if I were running the draft.

     
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    The NFL First-Pick game is a little outdated w/ the rankings, but imagine this for a draft


    Round 2 Pick 17 (NYJ): Dominique Easley, DT, Florida (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 3 Pick 4 (ATL): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (NYJ): C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 40 (COMP): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 6 Pick 22: Storm Johnson, RB, UCF (A)
    Round 6 Pick 30: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 29: Kasim Edebali, OLB, Boston College (A)

     
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    The NFL First-Pick game is a little outdated w/ the rankings, but imagine this for a draft


     


    Round 2 Pick 17 (NYJ): Dominique Easley, DT, Florida (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 3 Pick 4 (ATL): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (NYJ): C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 40 (COMP): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 6 Pick 22: Storm Johnson, RB, UCF (A)
    Round 6 Pick 30: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 29: Kasim Edebali, OLB, Boston College (A)




    Take that in a NY Heartbeat!

     
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    Some good names on that draft, it would seem to cover all of our needs, love Ellington in that spot.

     
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    This thread is pretty dead.  These extra two weeks we have to wait are a real bummer.  Seems like everyone is tired of discussing the draft and just wants to see it unfold.  That's how I feel anyway.

     
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    Geez.  There is a ton of talk about NE selecting Easley in the 1st.  Please tell me this is just smoke.  I might literally vomit if we take an injury risk like that with our 1st Rounder in this draft...


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





    I'd be a lot more comfortable in Rd 2... I know you don't want him within the Top 3 rounds, but the kid has obvious Top 15 talent when healthy.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I think the fact that there's a ton of smoke, generally means it's not going to happen, though the one year where I can remember the smoke turning into fire was 2012 with Chandler Jones.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     




    The rumors I kind of believe are the ones that happen right before the draft (a day or two before). I get the feeling that's when some real stuff somehow gets leaked. I remember when the Jones stuff got leaked...how he was rising up the charts...how the jets were interested in him...how several teams had him rated high. Those are the things I find interesting the most because that's when all the months of mock drafts kind of get blown out of whack a little bit, I could see it happening again with some of these receivers sneaking into the first, some of these tweener defensive ends slipping  out of the first...maybe some defensive tackles too. I'll tell yeah, I'm not real thrilled with a lot of the front seven defensive talent after the obvious guys - at least in terms of first round picks - there's no doubt the receivers are the first round talents. It just becomes the question of...do you grab the defensive guy early (and perhaps reach a little) and then hope the receiver talent gets pushed down a little bit? That can be risky though, a run on receivers could wipe out the talent in 15-20 selections if teams start going crazy. And with some teams needing receivers and the contracts these guys have been getting on the free agent market, it might make sense to grab those receivers when you can.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





    I'd agree... I don't think BB leaks all false info, if you want to keep them guessing, you have to release both or people will just ignore anything that's leaked.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    And I do agree, the proximity of the Chandler/NE link was quite close to the draft... within a week or so of draft day if I remember correctly?


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Outside of a Brandin Cooks being available at 29 or BB making a play for a Benjamin (I know you're not overly high on him) I think you do grab the D player early, then target the WR... the WR talent is just so whacky deep in this class.  If you can score a Landry in Rd 3 (due to his lack of elite speed), I think it's a homerun.


     


     


     




    Makes sense...I agree. I can't see Belichick going receiver in the first unless a guy like Cooks or maybe Lee is sitting there...so defense it is and I'm fine with that. Bill drafted Collins in the second last year, so I'm sure there is someone there he would make the most out of in the first or with a trade back. 


     


     


     


    You're right, I'm not a big Benjamin fan, but he is like so many of those players that I'd have to project going forward - and I'm not very good at that - I have a hard time saying...this guy has this, this guy has that...in a few years he's going to be this. Especially when I see the kid getting handled by smaller corners and dropping balls in Florida warmth. And with Benjamin he doesn't have that speed...so what is he? Is he going to be a tight end? Because he'll really need to get bigger and stronger to do that, and his speed will be even less then. Lord knows I've been wrong before - the kid the Chargers drafted at receiver last year was pretty good...I thought he was going to be a bust. I thought he looked too slow and wasn't going to get open in the NFL...he was the most productive rookie receiver in the NFL last year.


     


    I think MB had us looking at Keenan Allen all along, but he wasn't there when BB projected him to be there. I like Benjamin, but WR isn't a pressing need, and this roster is just about set in stone as far as starters are concerned. If Shazier is still on the board at 29 he's a no brainer. Of course there will be the group of DT's available at 29, but do any of them really look like they will be starters from day 1? Botonio the Guard from Nevada might be the safest pick at 29. Then there is the enigma Teddy Bridgewater what do you do if he's still sitting on the board at 29? Here's the dilemma the Patriots are a very good team before they even consider drafting anyone, and there are only a few areas of weakness: Interior Offensive line, Interior Defensive line, Linebacker ILB and OLB, TE, and SS. So while everyone else in the league knows  what the Patriots need they don't know what their priority need is, hence the belief that the Patriots are blowing smoke signals on certain players. They just don't know which players are the smoke signal players and which ones are the hard targets.






    I did have Allen as the #2 WR on my board last year, behind Hopkins... I wasn't a big Dobson guy.


    I had started a thread about Shazier as well... I just think he has too much speed, athleticism and versatility for BB to pass on at #29, if he's there... he's also a really instinctive kid.


    Agree that Bitonio could be a safe, yet boring pick... kid can play.


    Outside of OL, I don't see them being able to pull a full-time starter out of Rd 1... some may argue TE, but I don't think any TE not named Ebron should be taken in Rd 1 and I'd have a hard time with him passing on Shazier or one of the DL to take one there.

     
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    This thread is pretty dead.  These extra two weeks we have to wait are a real bummer.  Seems like everyone is tired of discussing the draft and just wants to see it unfold.  That's how I feel anyway.




    Yeah, just not that many topics to discuss at this point... I've used the extra two weeks to catch up on or rewatch tape of a few players, but the board is pretty set at this point.

     
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    Question for the group- when have the Pats ever drafted a guy that noticeably took plays off or disappeared for portions of games?


    i can't remember them doing it and certainly not in the first round. All the mocks that have us taking Hageman are hilarious to me- I can't imagine unless he is available in the 2nd we would ever take that risk.


    The only risks I see BB take are for value- Hernandez in 4th- great value until his true colors were shown.


    BB wants sure things in the first and if not available- lessen the risk and the cash by moving back.


    Agree or disagree?

     
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    The NFL First-Pick game is a little outdated w/ the rankings, but imagine this for a draft


     


    Round 2 Pick 17 (NYJ): Dominique Easley, DT, Florida (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CINN): Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 3 Pick 4 (ATL): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (NYJ): C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 16 (MIA): Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 30: Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A)
    Round 4 Pick 40 (COMP): Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 6 Pick 22: Storm Johnson, RB, UCF (A)
    Round 6 Pick 30: Dri Archer, WR, Kent State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 29: Kasim Edebali, OLB, Boston College (A)





    That's quite the optimistic projection, though a complete grand slam of a haul at that.

     
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    Question for the group- when have the Pats ever drafted a guy that noticeably took plays off or disappeared for portions of games?


     


    i can't remember them doing it and certainly not in the first round. All the mocks that have us taking Hageman are hilarious to me- I can't imagine unless he is available in the 2nd we would ever take that risk.


     


    The only risks I see BB take are for value- Hernandez in 4th- great value until his true colors were shown.


     


    BB wants sure things in the first and if not available- lessen the risk and the cash by moving back.


     


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    To be honest, I thought Jamie Collins took plays off in the film that I reviewed before last years draft... though that could've been a product of the 0-12 team that he was playing on... and we didn't see him taking plays off last season.


    I do agree with your point though... you don't want an effort question mark in Rd 1 or even early, so BB and staff were clearly comfortable with his motor.

     
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    Full 3 Round Mock:


    http://joepatsfan.blogspot.com/2014/05/final-mock-draft-3-rounds.html" rel="nofollow">http://joepatsfan.blogspot.com/2014/05/final-mock-draft-3-rounds.html


    Rd: Stephon Tuitt


    Rd2: Dominque Easley


    Rd3: Telvin Smith


    Rd4: Kevin Norwood


    Rd4: David Yankey


    Rd6: Aaron Lynch


    Rd6: Tajh Boyd


    Rd7: Marion Grice


    Check out my Pats/Sports Blog:


    http://joepatsfan.blogspot.com/

     
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    Full 3 Round Mock:


     


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    Rd: Stephon Tuitt


     


    Rd2: Dominque Easley


     


    Rd3: Telvin Smith


     


    Rd4: Kevin Norwood


     


    Rd4: David Yankey


     


    Rd6: Aaron Lynch


     


    Rd6: Tajh Boyd


     


    Rd7: Marion Grice


     


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    I don't know where Yankey will fall, but that'd be a very, very good haul.

     
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    Yeah, I highly doubt Yankey falls into the 4th, but never know.  Would be an unbelievable draft.  

     
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    The more I watch Stephon Tuitt, the more I like him...he's a tough guy to handle for an offensive lineman...just big, with a nice blend of power mixed in with decent quickness for a guy his size. I don't like the comparisons to Seymour though - Seymour was a different type when he came out - I remember him lining up next to Marcus Stroud and Seymour was the guy who could change direction and was more explosive of the two (although I really liked Stroud too). I don't really see the change of direction/explosiveness in Tuitt's game, but I do see the strength. Honestly he kind of reminds me more of Stroud. Tuitt has these long arms that I've seen him just knock people over with, he does a very good job slapping the offensive lineman's hands away and can peel off a block and drag down a runner with one arm...pretty impressive show of strength. And for a guy his size I've seen him spin off a tackle and surge to the quarterback...again impressive stuff, but I just don't see the Seymour comparison, at least when Seymour was coming out...maybe the Seymour as he aged, but not the kid coming out of Georgia.

     
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    If Yankey is there @62, he'd be tough to pass up.

     
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    Question for the group- when have the Pats ever drafted a guy that noticeably took plays off or disappeared for portions of games?


     


    i can't remember them doing it and certainly not in the first round. All the mocks that have us taking Hageman are hilarious to me- I can't imagine unless he is available in the 2nd we would ever take that risk.


     


    The only risks I see BB take are for value- Hernandez in 4th- great value until his true colors were shown.


     


    BB wants sure things in the first and if not available- lessen the risk and the cash by moving back.


     


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    I agree, they do like to pick players that seem like football is important to them, but I can think of a few...Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham...I thought those guys took plays off. I'll tell you what...for all the love Brandon Spikes got around here, he was an absolute turd the few times I saw him in training camp - now to his credit he played hard in games - but he must of been a handful for those coaches. I once so him walk through running drills whenever the coaches turned their backs...not one single guy out of the 80 that were on the field that day did that, but he did. And I know we didn't draft Randy Moss, but we traded for him (then paid him) and he took plays off. 


    You are right though, players here play hard, I think the coaching staff has a lot to do with that...picking guys who love football helps too.

     
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    I also see where the former GM for the Colts ripped both guys for picking Hageman saying he's a gamble and you don't waste a pick on a gamble in the first round...the other GM professional said the same thing...Hageman ='s Huge Gamble...Tuitt was their preferred pick for the Pats




    Yeah, I mean I've watched everyone of Hagemana's available game tapes and it's like groundhog day... you always go in hoping this is the game where he completely dominates and plays more consistent, but always leave feeling like you saw the same elite flashes with a bunch of meh in between... wash, rinse, repeat.


    If they take him at #29, I completely get it because the size, length and upside are all there and coaches love to mold/develop said talent, but I still prefer Tuitt there if given the choice.




    Well said.




    Well, here is the list of DLs that had contacts with the Pats...


    Defensive Line
    Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State (PW)
    Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh (CI)
    Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU (CI)
    Dee Ford, DE, Auburn (PW)
    James Gayle, DE, Virginia Tech (U)
    Ra’Shede Hageman, DE/DT, Minnesota (CI)
    Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise State (OV)
    Cassius Marsh, DE, UCLA (OV)
    Zach Moore, DE, Concordia (PW)
    Kelcy Quarles, DT, South Carolina (PW)
    Kaleb Ramsey, DT, Boston College (PW)
    Jimmy Staten, DT, Middle Tennessee St (OV)
    Will Sutton, DT, Arizona State (PW)
    Stephon Tuitt, DL, Notre Dame (OV)
    Colton Underwood, DE, Illinois State (PW)


    Not many DTs with PWs. Of the DTs who did PWs, only Quarles is highly mentioned in the draft sites.


     

 
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    Full 3 Round Mock:


     


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    Rd: Stephon Tuitt


    Rd2: Dominque Easley


    Rd3: Telvin Smith


    Rd4: Kevin Norwood


    Rd4: David Yankey


    Rd6: Aaron Lynch


    Rd6: Tajh Boyd


    Rd7: Marion Grice


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    Glad to see Grice mentioned. He's very underrated. I understand concerns over his workout times. However, he may have not been able to fully recover yet. I think he is faster than what is being measured now. Else, he would not have been returning KOs for ASU. He's an able blocker. Runs a little tall, but runs tough. If you watch his highlights, look at what he does after first contact. Lastly, he caught 50 passes.

     
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    Anybody catch the Kiper/McShay Combo Mock on ESPN.com?


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    I also see where the former GM for the Colts ripped both guys for picking Hageman saying he's a gamble and you don't waste a pick on a gamble in the first round...the other GM professional said the same thing...Hageman ='s Huge Gamble...Tuitt was their preferred pick for the Pats


     


     


     





    Yeah, I mean I've watched everyone of Hagemana's available game tapes and it's like groundhog day... you always go in hoping this is the game where he completely dominates and plays more consistent, but always leave feeling like you saw the same elite flashes with a bunch of meh in between... wash, rinse, repeat.


     


     


     


    If they take him at #29, I completely get it because the size, length and upside are all there and coaches love to mold/develop said talent, but I still prefer Tuitt there if given the choice.


     




    Well said.




    People following the thread since day 1 know that I have been critical of Hageman. The one thing that drives me nuts is that he is off the field so much. And it has nothing to do with downs. For some reason, he would be out for 3-6 straight defensive snaps. Of the games I saw, he was out for about half the defensive snaps.


    That said, he still finished with 13 tackles for loss. His 2 sacks was a little disappointing. But 13 TFLs is high. Hard to argue with that.


    One thing I want to point out... on the games I saw, he played much better as 3-4 DE than he did playing inside on 4-3.

     
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    My final mock draft:


    1st - traded along with a 6th for 2nd, 3rd and 5th.  I think there will be teams wanting to trade up for a late 1st QB such as Carr


    2nd (trade) Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame - will fall due to injury


    2nd - Carlos Hyde, RB, OSU- value will fall due to RB by committe approach the league has taken


    3rd (trade) - deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State


    3rd - Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame or CJ Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa


    4th -David Yankey, OG stanford or Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas


    4th (comp) - Daniel McCullers, DT, Tenn.


    5th (trade) - Max Bullough, ILB, Michigan State


    6th (from Philly) - Logan Thomas, QB, Virginia Tech


    6th (ours) traded----------


    7th - Colt Lyera, TE, Oregon - to say he has issues would be an understatement but with a TE already selected earlier I would be wiling to take a risk on him especially if we signed dustin Keller


    UDFA priority -
    Kenny Guiton, QB, OSU








    with enough thrust, pigs fly just fine!

     
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