***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Green Bay at 21

     
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    I have another sleeper to add to the list:

    Maryland CB Dexter McDougle (5-10 195):

    The Good:  

    *Extremely quick feet and good hips.

    *Very good cover guy with the ability to mirror.

    *Very good speed (low 4.4) with the ability to turn and run with most WR's.

    *Playmaker in coverage with good ball skils and the ability to create after the INT.

    *Plays much bigger than his size and is physical/effective in run support.

    *Good ST player.

    The Not so good:

    *Size is not ideal

    *Missed most of 2013 after injuring his shoulder in game 3, so durablity is a question, though he played (2) full seasons prior.

    Projection:

    This kid has a lot of what BB values in a CB... quick feet, excels in coverage, physical in run support and can make plays... with his injury and size, he could bring some very good value as a Day 3 pick with one of their 6th rounders.

     

     
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    http://www.drafttek.com/2014-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1b.asp

    http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts

    Draft Tek has Notre Dame DT Louis Nix going at 25, NFL Draft Countdown has him going at 14.  The NFL.com mocks have him going at 14, 21, and two predict SF takes him at 30.

    So Nix's range seems to be 14-30.  There are several trade partners in that range that we could work with if he gets past Chicago at 14.  There's Dallas sitting at 17, GB at 21, and Philly at 22.  But it would cost an extra 300 (the exact value of our 2nd) to move up to 17.

    Putting him next to Big Vince would be nice though.  Seeing the injuries this season, I think it's safe to say that the Pats have depth on the bench.  Now we need to move up and snag a superstar.

     
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    Back to the Ryan Mallett trade idea for a minute. I kind of wonder how smart it would really be for New England to trade him at this point. I suppose if he isn't a guy can envision taking over as the franchise quarterback, they might as well, but if they think there is potential there it would be pretty foolish to trade him away for a mid round pick or two.  As a guy who has been in our system for a few years now, and who has been groomed behind Tom Brady, I have to think he is a pretty valuable piece to our organization if there is potential there at all.  When I think about this upcoming draft,the idea of trading him for a pick or two is pretty enticing,but when I look at what he could mean to the long term success of our team,I kind of think they should keep them around if he is progressing well.  The sad truth of the matter is that Tom Brady can't play forever...  Either way, this will be an interesting situation to monitor as the draft gets closer.

     
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    Back to the Ryan Mallett trade idea for a minute. I kind of wonder how smart it would really be for New England to trade him at this point. I suppose if he isn't a guy can envision taking over as the franchise quarterback, they might as well, but if they think there is potential there it would be pretty foolish to trade him away for a mid round pick or two.  As a guy who has been in our system for a few years now, and who has been groomed behind Tom Brady, I have to think he is a pretty valuable piece to our organization if there is potential there at all.  When I think about this upcoming draft,the idea of trading him for a pick or two is pretty enticing,but when I look at what he could mean to the long term success of our team,I kind of think they should keep them around if he is progressing well.  The sad truth of the matter is that Tom Brady can't play forever...  Either way, this will be an interesting situation to monitor as the draft gets closer.



    Yeah, they'll certainly need to determine what his long term value is to the franchise as he's a FA after next season... so either get some value/draft pick(s) for him while you can or give him another contract.

     
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    Green Bay at 21



    Not even sure he'll make it to 21 but you're right GB won't let him by so if we want him we'll have to move up 10 spots to get him

     
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    Back to the Ryan Mallett trade idea for a minute. I kind of wonder how smart it would really be for New England to trade him at this point. I suppose if he isn't a guy can envision taking over as the franchise quarterback, they might as well, but if they think there is potential there it would be pretty foolish to trade him away for a mid round pick or two.  As a guy who has been in our system for a few years now, and who has been groomed behind Tom Brady, I have to think he is a pretty valuable piece to our organization if there is potential there at all.  When I think about this upcoming draft,the idea of trading him for a pick or two is pretty enticing,but when I look at what he could mean to the long term success of our team,I kind of think they should keep them around if he is progressing well.  The sad truth of the matter is that Tom Brady can't play forever...  Either way, this will be an interesting situation to monitor as the draft gets closer.



    Yeah, they'll certainly need to determine what his long term value is to the franchise as he's a FA after next season... so either get some value/draft pick(s) for him while you can or give him another contract.



    Pretty much.  I loved the pick when it was made.  Guy has tremendous size and talent.  If he has been improving and progressing during his time in NE, I hate to see them trade him for picks.  I guess the million dollar question is how many quality years does Brady have left.  

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.


     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.




    This year's draft seems very deep, with a record number of underclassmen delaring (94, I think).  I think this is the year to draft out and also trade Mallett in order to maximize our number draft picks.

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    It's deep but not so much in areas that the Pats crave. RG/C you can get in any draft in the 2-5 round range and that would be a need for the Pats

    The top end talent at TE is great but past the top 6 or so I'm not overly excited so I would still grab one in the top 3 rounds

    The talent a DT is actually fairly thin pst round 2 mid round 3

    All of which I say whould be priorities. No more failing back in the draft and drafting quantity. We did that in 10', 11', 12', and last year and how many of those players remained on the team? The only consistent thing in any of those drafts is the higher pick players performed and the mid -> lower players are either subs or aren't on the team. We need talent not good sub players. This team has been outclassed in every aspect in the playoffs the last number of years because they lacked the upfront talent. Now is the time to move up and grab that talent. Get a Nix, or an Ebron, or an Amaro. We have plenty of back end picks (looks like we might receive two 6ths and a 7th compensation pick). If we get the compensation picks we will have 6 day 3 picks. How many more day 3 picks do you want? Brady doesn't have an infinite lifespan so do you really want to push a deep draft into next year and say Brady will be a year older but at least we have even more picks? Frankly I would use my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to somehow move up and get one of the top TE and Nix. Then trade a 2nd next year to move back into the early 3rd to get Exum and use those 6 day 4 picks to load up on OL, maybe a big WR who drops, and if Lynch drops take a chance on him like you did Buchanan

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    It's deep but not so much in areas that the Pats crave. RG/C you can get in any draft in the 2-5 round range and that would be a need for the Pats

    The top end talent at TE is great but past the top 6 or so I'm not overly excited so I would still grab one in the top 3 rounds

    The talent a DT is actually fairly thin pst round 2 mid round 3

    All of which I say whould be priorities. No more failing back in the draft and drafting quantity. We did that in 10', 11', 12', and last year and how many of those players remained on the team? The only consistent thing in any of those drafts is the higher pick players performed and the mid -> lower players are either subs or aren't on the team. We need talent not good sub players. This team has been outclassed in every aspect in the playoffs the last number of years because they lacked the upfront talent. Now is the time to move up and grab that talent. Get a Nix, or an Ebron, or an Amaro. We have plenty of back end picks (looks like we might receive two 6ths and a 7th compensation pick). If we get the compensation picks we will have 6 day 3 picks. How many more day 3 picks do you want? Brady doesn't have an infinite lifespan so do you really want to push a deep draft into next year and say Brady will be a year older but at least we have even more picks? Frankly I would use my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to somehow move up and get one of the top TE and Nix. Then trade a 2nd next year to move back into the early 3rd to get Exum and use those 6 day 4 picks to load up on OL, maybe a big WR who drops, and if Lynch drops take a chance on him like you did Buchanan



    I agree 100% Eng.  I'd draft a DT and a TE with our first 2 picks.  Nix would be great, but I don't think I'd trade up past #20 for him.  He is still a 340+ guy coming off of a knee injury.  Not saying I wouldn't draft him, but I wouldn't move up more than 9 picks for him, and I doubt he even gets to #20.  Even still, I think BB could sit tight at 29 and that one of the elite TEs will be there.  Draft best available TE at 29, then move up in the second round as you suggested to get D. Jones, or best available DT.  After that we could even trade away a 2015 2nd, as you suggest, to grab another talent  in the late-second or early third.  If we can come out of this draft with 3 or 4 talented and HEALTHY starting-caliber players, and then another 2-3 high upside depth guys, we will have done very well.  I like your thoughts.

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.




    Mocks may say one thing, but my eyes tell me that Jones probably doesn't get out of Rd 2 and may be gone by the middle of it.  There's a premium on big, athletic DT's that can play across multiple fronts.

    Vellano and Jones flashed some ability and I'm interested to see what Grissom can do, but I want them to increase the talent upfront, maybe leave specialists like Jones for subpackages or obvious passing downs.

    Teams were able to run on them pretty easily last year and if you're giving up decent yardage on 1st or even 2nd down your DB's are at a disadvantage trying to stop the underneath stuff (that they generally give away as part of their scheme) on 3rd and s/hort/medium.  You add a DaQuan Jones to VW and TK and it's going to be aweful tough for teams to gut them on the ground.

     
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    How can these sites not believe this team needs a Big, strong, Smart Safety. Is beyond me.

     

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    How can these sites not believe this team needs a Big, strong, Smart Safety. Is beyond me.

     

    Probably this weekend you still see the same old thing

    Defense wins Championships



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    So my thinking right now. I've almost convinced myself you need to take a DT or TE in the 1st this year. Mainly because when you start to get into the late 2nd the talent really starts to drop off at those positions. So knowing that, BB will most likely take a punter or another CB. But right now pre-combine my ideal draft would be (assuming 2 6ths and a 7th as compensation):

    1st - If Nix falls into the 20's (something I doubt would happen) I'd move up to get Nix. Since that's doubtful in my mind it comes down to how BB feels about Hagemans potential. If he sees the Watt upside in Hageman and says well there's my Watt at value I could easily see him taking Hageman. However, that comes the risk of him failing, not to mention after the senior bowl Hageman's stock has been on the decline so Hageman might actually be had in the mid to late 2nd. A safer pick for BB might Amaro. He's got the size BB likes in TE's, has Gronk catching ability up the seem, and is an above average blocking TE. He's a perfect fit with Gronk in a 2 TE system and if Gronk goes down can be a #1 TE in a 1 TE set.

    2nd - If BB goes DT with the 1st I'd expect him to grab a TE in the 2nd as the talent really starts to drop off quickly. Fiedorowicz is the first name that comes to mind for me. BB has stayed in contact with Hern's brother (Fiedorowicz TE coach) and BB has been to a number of his practices. There is a lot to like from Fiedorowicz, he's a solid all around TE. He might not blow you away in the passing game or bully DL in the running game but he just does his job quietly. Except for draftniks he might also be a guy most people don't know about and scratch their heads. Niklas is another name to watch out for. Niklas has huge upside and honestly if not for the great upfront TE talent in this draft he'd be in discussion for a 1st round pick. Of course if they go TE in the first I'd go DT in the 2nd. There is that remote possibility Hageman drops this far if his combine doesn't go great but the name to watch out for is DaQuan Jones. For some reason BB likes Jones's they are like pokemon to him. But this DT Jones can play. He's been a hot name in the 2nd for good reason. Of course BB always surprises us in the 2nd so a RG or C is not out of question with Travis Swanson the #1 C on the board.

    3rd - Here I would be looking DB and Exum would be my guy. If not for injury issues he'd be a fringe 1st rounder so two rounds back makes sense for him. Well worth the risk as he has the size to play SS, the speed to play FS, and the coverage ability to play CB. He's the ultimate swing player in teh DB when healthy. A late 3rd round seems like a good spot to take an injury risk player with tons of upside. I've also heard Lynch attached to this spot but I would hold off on him as the homesick DE might fall into day 3 in many coaches eyes. Coleman the Rutgers WR also seems like a good fit here as well as Yankey the G/T from Princton and Walker G/T from USC

    4th - Now this is where I'd look at OL. The meat of the OL seems to be in the 3-5 range this year. You have Walker, Bitonio, Flemming, Larsen, Ikard take your choice all have starter upside. This is also the area to take a chance on a kid like McCullers for DT. The size alone is worth the risk but it depends on how they feel about Siliga though doubling down on DT might be a good idea this year.

    6th/7th - We might have 4 6th round picks and 2 in the 7th and there is a lot of good sleepers out there in this range. Some of my personal favorites Jon Don Duncan TE, Isaiah Crowell RB, this is where I'd grab Lynch if available, Hoffman WR, Neutz WR, Morris LB/S, McGill CB. Personally with 6 picks in the last 2 rounds and 4 in the 6th I'd take a look at a high upside WR to compete with Harrison in camp, a 3rd down pass catching back to backup Vereen, and either a pass rushing specialist or an extra TE. Then the remainder big and nastiest on the OL. There are a number of high upside OL who have dropped because of injury. If you can get day 2 talent in the back of the draft injury concerns aren't a problem for me. Even if 2 turn into nothing possible getting a starting caliber OL in the back of the draft is worth that risk, just not at the beginning of the draft. 

     
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    Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  OL  Zach Martin   ND

    #44  (From Stl)  TE  Troy Niklas  ND   *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); and #189 (6th rnd)*

    #62  (From SF)  DT  DaQuan Jones  PSU  *NE gives up #71 and #133 (both via CLE)*

    3rd Round:

    No picks.  Traded Out.

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  TE  Colt Lyerla  Oregon   (risky player, I know...)

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     

     
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    How can these sites not believe this team needs a Big, strong, Smart Safety. Is beyond me.

     

    Probably this weekend you still see the same old thing

    Defense wins Championships



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    NEPatriotsdraft.com  It doesn't have Safety as a need. With TE's being a focus, you need Big Fast, and most important smart Safeties. I'm going with fast LB's too. 5'10-6'0" Safeties are just too overmatched.

     
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    How can these sites not believe this team needs a Big, strong, Smart Safety. Is beyond me.

     

    Probably this weekend you still see the same old thing

    Defense wins Championships

     



    What sites are you referring to?

     



    NEPatriotsdraft.com  It doesn't have Safety as a need. With TE's being a focus, you need Big Fast, and most important smart Safeties. I'm going with fast LB's too. 5'10-6'0" Safeties are just too overmatched.



    It probably all depends on the S... I'd take Seattle S Earl Thomas in a S... he might be the best overall S in the game.

    You could argue that S isn't a need because they have starting caliber personnel on the roster, but I agree (and have posted as such for a couple years) that a big, physical S would be a welcome addition.

     
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    So my thinking right now. I've almost convinced myself you need to take a DT or TE in the 1st this year. Mainly because when you start to get into the late 2nd the talent really starts to drop off at those positions. So knowing that, BB will most likely take a punter or another CB. But right now pre-combine my ideal draft would be (assuming 2 6ths and a 7th as compensation):

    1st - If Nix falls into the 20's (something I doubt would happen) I'd move up to get Nix. Since that's doubtful in my mind it comes down to how BB feels about Hagemans potential. If he sees the Watt upside in Hageman and says well there's my Watt at value I could easily see him taking Hageman. However, that comes the risk of him failing, not to mention after the senior bowl Hageman's stock has been on the decline so Hageman might actually be had in the mid to late 2nd. A safer pick for BB might Amaro. He's got the size BB likes in TE's, has Gronk catching ability up the seem, and is an above average blocking TE. He's a perfect fit with Gronk in a 2 TE system and if Gronk goes down can be a #1 TE in a 1 TE set.

    2nd - If BB goes DT with the 1st I'd expect him to grab a TE in the 2nd as the talent really starts to drop off quickly. Fiedorowicz is the first name that comes to mind for me. BB has stayed in contact with Hern's brother (Fiedorowicz TE coach) and BB has been to a number of his practices. There is a lot to like from Fiedorowicz, he's a solid all around TE. He might not blow you away in the passing game or bully DL in the running game but he just does his job quietly. Except for draftniks he might also be a guy most people don't know about and scratch their heads. Niklas is another name to watch out for. Niklas has huge upside and honestly if not for the great upfront TE talent in this draft he'd be in discussion for a 1st round pick. Of course if they go TE in the first I'd go DT in the 2nd. There is that remote possibility Hageman drops this far if his combine doesn't go great but the name to watch out for is DaQuan Jones. For some reason BB likes Jones's they are like pokemon to him. But this DT Jones can play. He's been a hot name in the 2nd for good reason. Of course BB always surprises us in the 2nd so a RG or C is not out of question with Travis Swanson the #1 C on the board.

    3rd - Here I would be looking DB and Exum would be my guy. If not for injury issues he'd be a fringe 1st rounder so two rounds back makes sense for him. Well worth the risk as he has the size to play SS, the speed to play FS, and the coverage ability to play CB. He's the ultimate swing player in teh DB when healthy. A late 3rd round seems like a good spot to take an injury risk player with tons of upside. I've also heard Lynch attached to this spot but I would hold off on him as the homesick DE might fall into day 3 in many coaches eyes. Coleman the Rutgers WR also seems like a good fit here as well as Yankey the G/T from Princton and Walker G/T from USC

    4th - Now this is where I'd look at OL. The meat of the OL seems to be in the 3-5 range this year. You have Walker, Bitonio, Flemming, Larsen, Ikard take your choice all have starter upside. This is also the area to take a chance on a kid like McCullers for DT. The size alone is worth the risk but it depends on how they feel about Siliga though doubling down on DT might be a good idea this year.

    6th/7th - We might have 4 6th round picks and 2 in the 7th and there is a lot of good sleepers out there in this range. Some of my personal favorites Jon Don Duncan TE, Isaiah Crowell RB, this is where I'd grab Lynch if available, Hoffman WR, Neutz WR, Morris LB/S, McGill CB. Personally with 6 picks in the last 2 rounds and 4 in the 6th I'd take a look at a high upside WR to compete with Harrison in camp, a 3rd down pass catching back to backup Vereen, and either a pass rushing specialist or an extra TE. Then the remainder big and nastiest on the OL. There are a number of high upside OL who have dropped because of injury. If you can get day 2 talent in the back of the draft injury concerns aren't a problem for me. Even if 2 turn into nothing possible getting a starting caliber OL in the back of the draft is worth that risk, just not at the beginning of the draft. 



    I have similar thoughts in Rd's 1-4... DT/TE early, target value/upside in Rd 3 (love Exum) in Rd 3 target an interior OL on Day 3 (assuming you don't move on Martin in Rd 1 or Richburg on Day 2)... love Bitonio and ND's Chris Watt.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to WazzuWheatfarmer's comment:

    Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  OL  Zach Martin   ND

    #44  (From Stl)  TE  Troy Niklas  ND   *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); and #189 (6th rnd)*

    #62  (From SF)  DT  DaQuan Jones  PSU  *NE gives up #71 and #133 (both via CLE)*

    3rd Round:

    No picks.  Traded Out.

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  TE  Colt Lyerla  Oregon   (risky player, I know...)

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     



    If they were able to land Martin, Niklas and Jones on Day 2, I think the front of my pants would combust.  Personally, I don't see Martin being there at 36, but Niklas at 44 and Jones at 62 are at least possible at this point.  I'd probably go Niklas and Jones 36 and 44 and maybe double up on a DT with Quarles or Ferguson at 62... or maybe go DB with LaMarcus Joyner or the ultimate wilcard talent, LB Telvin Smith.

    Your projection also generates great value in Rd's 4, 5 and 6... though I personally want nothing to do with Colt Lyerla... I understand the value, but want nothing to do with him... will never root for him.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to WazzuWheatfarmer's comment:

    Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  OL  Zach Martin   ND

    #44  (From Stl)  TE  Troy Niklas  ND   *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); and #189 (6th rnd)*

    #62  (From SF)  DT  DaQuan Jones  PSU  *NE gives up #71 and #133 (both via CLE)*

    3rd Round:

    No picks.  Traded Out.

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  TE  Colt Lyerla  Oregon   (risky player, I know...)

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     



    If they were able to land Martin, Niklas and Jones on Day 2, I think the front of my pants would combust.  Personally, I don't see Martin being there at 36, but Niklas at 44 and Jones at 62 are at least possible at this point.  I'd probably go Niklas and Jones 36 and 44 and maybe double up on a DT with Quarles or Ferguson at 62... or maybe go DB with LaMarcus Joyner or the ultimate wilcard talent, LB Telvin Smith.

    Your projection also generates great value in Rd's 4, 5 and 6... though I personally want nothing to do with Colt Lyerla... I understand the value, but want nothing to do with him... will never root for him.



    I'd take Ellis, over those two. 340 lb kid who uses his legs really well for leverage and for rushing around blockers

    And please... no to Lyeria. Coke bust in his recent history. Pats really do not need another AH-level distraction.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:

    In response to seattlepat70's comment:

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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.




    Mocks may say one thing, but my eyes tell me that Jones probably doesn't get out of Rd 2 and may be gone by the middle of it.  There's a premium on big, athletic DT's that can play across multiple fronts.

    Vellano and Jones flashed some ability and I'm interested to see what Grissom can do, but I want them to increase the talent upfront, maybe leave specialists like Jones for subpackages or obvious passing downs.

    Teams were able to run on them pretty easily last year and if you're giving up decent yardage on 1st or even 2nd down your DB's are at a disadvantage trying to stop the underneath stuff (that they generally give away as part of their scheme) on 3rd and s/hort/medium.  You add a DaQuan Jones to VW and TK and it's going to be aweful tough for teams to gut them on the ground.



    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     

     
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