***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    So my thinking right now. I've almost convinced myself you need to take a DT or TE in the 1st this year. Mainly because when you start to get into the late 2nd the talent really starts to drop off at those positions. So knowing that, BB will most likely take a punter or another CB. But right now pre-combine my ideal draft would be (assuming 2 6ths and a 7th as compensation):

    1st - If Nix falls into the 20's (something I doubt would happen) I'd move up to get Nix. Since that's doubtful in my mind it comes down to how BB feels about Hagemans potential. If he sees the Watt upside in Hageman and says well there's my Watt at value I could easily see him taking Hageman. However, that comes the risk of him failing, not to mention after the senior bowl Hageman's stock has been on the decline so Hageman might actually be had in the mid to late 2nd. A safer pick for BB might Amaro. He's got the size BB likes in TE's, has Gronk catching ability up the seem, and is an above average blocking TE. He's a perfect fit with Gronk in a 2 TE system and if Gronk goes down can be a #1 TE in a 1 TE set.

    2nd - If BB goes DT with the 1st I'd expect him to grab a TE in the 2nd as the talent really starts to drop off quickly. Fiedorowicz is the first name that comes to mind for me. BB has stayed in contact with Hern's brother (Fiedorowicz TE coach) and BB has been to a number of his practices. There is a lot to like from Fiedorowicz, he's a solid all around TE. He might not blow you away in the passing game or bully DL in the running game but he just does his job quietly. Except for draftniks he might also be a guy most people don't know about and scratch their heads. Niklas is another name to watch out for. Niklas has huge upside and honestly if not for the great upfront TE talent in this draft he'd be in discussion for a 1st round pick. Of course if they go TE in the first I'd go DT in the 2nd. There is that remote possibility Hageman drops this far if his combine doesn't go great but the name to watch out for is DaQuan Jones. For some reason BB likes Jones's they are like pokemon to him. But this DT Jones can play. He's been a hot name in the 2nd for good reason. Of course BB always surprises us in the 2nd so a RG or C is not out of question with Travis Swanson the #1 C on the board.

    3rd - Here I would be looking DB and Exum would be my guy. If not for injury issues he'd be a fringe 1st rounder so two rounds back makes sense for him. Well worth the risk as he has the size to play SS, the speed to play FS, and the coverage ability to play CB. He's the ultimate swing player in teh DB when healthy. A late 3rd round seems like a good spot to take an injury risk player with tons of upside. I've also heard Lynch attached to this spot but I would hold off on him as the homesick DE might fall into day 3 in many coaches eyes. Coleman the Rutgers WR also seems like a good fit here as well as Yankey the G/T from Princton and Walker G/T from USC

    4th - Now this is where I'd look at OL. The meat of the OL seems to be in the 3-5 range this year. You have Walker, Bitonio, Flemming, Larsen, Ikard take your choice all have starter upside. This is also the area to take a chance on a kid like McCullers for DT. The size alone is worth the risk but it depends on how they feel about Siliga though doubling down on DT might be a good idea this year.

    6th/7th - We might have 4 6th round picks and 2 in the 7th and there is a lot of good sleepers out there in this range. Some of my personal favorites Jon Don Duncan TE, Isaiah Crowell RB, this is where I'd grab Lynch if available, Hoffman WR, Neutz WR, Morris LB/S, McGill CB. Personally with 6 picks in the last 2 rounds and 4 in the 6th I'd take a look at a high upside WR to compete with Harrison in camp, a 3rd down pass catching back to backup Vereen, and either a pass rushing specialist or an extra TE. Then the remainder big and nastiest on the OL. There are a number of high upside OL who have dropped because of injury. If you can get day 2 talent in the back of the draft injury concerns aren't a problem for me. Even if 2 turn into nothing possible getting a starting caliber OL in the back of the draft is worth that risk, just not at the beginning of the draft. 



    I have similar thoughts in Rd's 1-4... DT/TE early, target value/upside in Rd 3 (love Exum) in Rd 3 target an interior OL on Day 3 (assuming you don't move on Martin in Rd 1 or Richburg on Day 2)... love Bitonio and ND's Chris Watt.

     
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    Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  OL  Zach Martin   ND

    #44  (From Stl)  TE  Troy Niklas  ND   *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); and #189 (6th rnd)*

    #62  (From SF)  DT  DaQuan Jones  PSU  *NE gives up #71 and #133 (both via CLE)*

    3rd Round:

    No picks.  Traded Out.

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  TE  Colt Lyerla  Oregon   (risky player, I know...)

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     



    If they were able to land Martin, Niklas and Jones on Day 2, I think the front of my pants would combust.  Personally, I don't see Martin being there at 36, but Niklas at 44 and Jones at 62 are at least possible at this point.  I'd probably go Niklas and Jones 36 and 44 and maybe double up on a DT with Quarles or Ferguson at 62... or maybe go DB with LaMarcus Joyner or the ultimate wilcard talent, LB Telvin Smith.

    Your projection also generates great value in Rd's 4, 5 and 6... though I personally want nothing to do with Colt Lyerla... I understand the value, but want nothing to do with him... will never root for him.

     
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    Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  OL  Zach Martin   ND

    #44  (From Stl)  TE  Troy Niklas  ND   *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); and #189 (6th rnd)*

    #62  (From SF)  DT  DaQuan Jones  PSU  *NE gives up #71 and #133 (both via CLE)*

    3rd Round:

    No picks.  Traded Out.

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  TE  Colt Lyerla  Oregon   (risky player, I know...)

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     



    If they were able to land Martin, Niklas and Jones on Day 2, I think the front of my pants would combust.  Personally, I don't see Martin being there at 36, but Niklas at 44 and Jones at 62 are at least possible at this point.  I'd probably go Niklas and Jones 36 and 44 and maybe double up on a DT with Quarles or Ferguson at 62... or maybe go DB with LaMarcus Joyner or the ultimate wilcard talent, LB Telvin Smith.

    Your projection also generates great value in Rd's 4, 5 and 6... though I personally want nothing to do with Colt Lyerla... I understand the value, but want nothing to do with him... will never root for him.



    I'd take Ellis, over those two. 340 lb kid who uses his legs really well for leverage and for rushing around blockers

    And please... no to Lyeria. Coke bust in his recent history. Pats really do not need another AH-level distraction.

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.




    Mocks may say one thing, but my eyes tell me that Jones probably doesn't get out of Rd 2 and may be gone by the middle of it.  There's a premium on big, athletic DT's that can play across multiple fronts.

    Vellano and Jones flashed some ability and I'm interested to see what Grissom can do, but I want them to increase the talent upfront, maybe leave specialists like Jones for subpackages or obvious passing downs.

    Teams were able to run on them pretty easily last year and if you're giving up decent yardage on 1st or even 2nd down your DB's are at a disadvantage trying to stop the underneath stuff (that they generally give away as part of their scheme) on 3rd and s/hort/medium.  You add a DaQuan Jones to VW and TK and it's going to be aweful tough for teams to gut them on the ground.



    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.




    Mocks may say one thing, but my eyes tell me that Jones probably doesn't get out of Rd 2 and may be gone by the middle of it.  There's a premium on big, athletic DT's that can play across multiple fronts.

    Vellano and Jones flashed some ability and I'm interested to see what Grissom can do, but I want them to increase the talent upfront, maybe leave specialists like Jones for subpackages or obvious passing downs.

    Teams were able to run on them pretty easily last year and if you're giving up decent yardage on 1st or even 2nd down your DB's are at a disadvantage trying to stop the underneath stuff (that they generally give away as part of their scheme) on 3rd and s/hort/medium.  You add a DaQuan Jones to VW and TK and it's going to be aweful tough for teams to gut them on the ground.



    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     



    We have similar thoughts on his physical ability... below is what I had posted on 1/18.

     

    "LTU DT Justin Ellis (6-2 350) is an underrated kid... I seem him consistently listed as a late Day 3 kid, but looks much better than that on tape.  Kid is a war daddy... explosive off the snap, brings immense power at the point and is consistently able to bull his man back into the pocket... he also has excellent movement ability for a big fatty, and shows solid instincts/awareness.  He's not very diverse in his pass-rush, mostly the bull rush at this point, and he'll need to do a better job of protecting his legs, but I could very well see this kid ending up in Foxboro as he has the size, power and skill set that BB likes in his DT/NT's."

     
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    NFL Draft is 100 days from today!!!!!!!

     
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    NFL Draft is 100 days from today!!!!!!!



    Says the count down ticker that I have over my bed ;)

     
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    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     



    We have similar thoughts on his physical ability... below is what I had posted on 1/18.

     

    "LTU DT Justin Ellis (6-2 350) is an underrated kid... I seem him consistently listed as a late Day 3 kid, but looks much better than that on tape.  Kid is a war daddy... explosive off the snap, brings immense power at the point and is consistently able to bull his man back into the pocket... he also has excellent movement ability for a big fatty, and shows solid instincts/awareness.  He's not very diverse in his pass-rush, mostly the bull rush at this point, and he'll need to do a better job of protecting his legs, but I could very well see this kid ending up in Foxboro as he has the size, power and skill set that BB likes in his DT/NT's."



    I agree. I think he is being underrated because of the school he's from. The legs, the mindset, will carry him well in the next level. 

 
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    OK.  MB is probably right, Martin will probably not last until pick #36.  Here is another scenario, under the same trade assumptions that I had earlier.  This one is probably a little more realistic.  Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  TE   Troy Niklas  ND

    #44  (From Stl)  DT  DaQuan Jones PSU  *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); & #189 (6th rnd)*

    3rd Round:

    #71  (From Clev)  TE  CJ Fiedorowicz  Iowa

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:


    #133  (From Clev)  OL  Brian Stork FSU

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  DE  Larry Webster  Bloomsburg

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  I also like that we keep Ryan Mallett in this scenario.  I kind of like the idea of trying to keep him around for a while (maybe a new contract?  Not sure how much an unproven, but talented guy like him would demand???)  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     
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    I mocked this through 3 rds not trying to put Nix at 29.  It just turned out that way.  There is a chance Nix would fall. (Remote) I see other players pushing up through after the combine.  Could see NE trade out. This is a heavy mock, DT,TE,OLB,OG,TE, DT/DE34, ILB

    29

    Louis Nix, NT

    Notre Dame

    6'3"

    326

     

    62

    Troy Niklas, TE

    Notre Dame

    6'6"

    270

     

    93

    Demarcus Lawrence, OLB

    Boise State

    6'3"

    245

     

    126

    Jon Halapio, OG

    Florida

    6'3"

    322

     

    182

     Xavier Grimble, TE

    USC

    6'5"

    255

     

    190

     Shamar Stephen, DT, 34DE

    Connecticut

    6'5"

    323

     

    221

    James Morris, ILB

    Iowa

    6'1"

    230

     
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    I mocked this through 3 rds not trying to put Nix at 29.  It just turned out that way.  There is a chance Nix would fall. (Remote) I see other players pushing up through after the combine.  Could see NE trade out. This is a heavy mock, DT,TE,OLB,OG,TE, DT/DE34, ILB

    29

    Louis Nix, NT

    Notre Dame

    6'3"

    326

     

    62

    Troy Niklas, TE

    Notre Dame

    6'6"

    270

     

    93

    Demarcus Lawrence, OLB

    Boise State

    6'3"

    245

     

    126

    Jon Halapio, OG

    Florida

    6'3"

    322

     

    182

     Xavier Grimble, TE

    USC

    6'5"

    255

     

    190

     Shamar Stephen, DT, 34DE

    Connecticut

    6'5"

    323

     

    221

    James Morris, ILB

    Iowa

    6'1"

    230



    Nix/Niklas at 29 and 62 would be amazing.  Highly doubt either guy is there at those spots, but never know.  

     
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    OK.  MB is probably right, Martin will probably not last until pick #36.  Here is another scenario, under the same trade assumptions that I had earlier.  This one is probably a little more realistic.  Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  TE   Troy Niklas  ND

    #44  (From Stl)  DT  DaQuan Jones PSU  *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); & #189 (6th rnd)*

    3rd Round:

    #71  (From Clev)  TE  CJ Fiedorowicz  Iowa

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:


    #133  (From Clev)  OL  Brian Stork FSU

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  DE  Larry Webster  Bloomsburg

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  I also like that we keep Ryan Mallett in this scenario.  I kind of like the idea of trying to keep him around for a while (maybe a new contract?  Not sure how much an unproven, but talented guy like him would demand???)  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?

     



     

    Would be a solid and fairly realistic haul... home run at the top.  

     
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    OK.  MB is probably right, Martin will probably not last until pick #36.  Here is another scenario, under the same trade assumptions that I had earlier.  This one is probably a little more realistic.  Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  TE   Troy Niklas  ND

    #44  (From Stl)  DT  DaQuan Jones PSU  *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); & #189 (6th rnd)*

    3rd Round:

    #71  (From Clev)  TE  CJ Fiedorowicz  Iowa

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:


    #133  (From Clev)  OL  Brian Stork FSU

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  DE  Larry Webster  Bloomsburg

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  I also like that we keep Ryan Mallett in this scenario.  I kind of like the idea of trying to keep him around for a while (maybe a new contract?  Not sure how much an unproven, but talented guy like him would demand???)  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?



    Nice work Wazzu-- I saw a mock that had NE taking Stork in the third and from read on here about Kirksey that would pretty good value  w both those guys in the 5th

     
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    Posted this on another thread, but in regards to FA WR's... A sleeper to keep an eye on, IMO, is Seattle's Doug Baldwin... did has made some plays down the field... good hands and ball skills.  He's a RFA, but Seattle has Harvin on the books for good money and Tate is a FA as well, so it'll be interesting to see how their WR situation plays out.  Just a thought.

     

     
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    OK.  MB is probably right, Martin will probably not last until pick #36.  Here is another scenario, under the same trade assumptions that I had earlier.  This one is probably a little more realistic.  Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  TE   Troy Niklas  ND

    #44  (From Stl)  DT  DaQuan Jones PSU  *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); & #189 (6th rnd)*

    3rd Round:

    #71  (From Clev)  TE  CJ Fiedorowicz  Iowa

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:


    #133  (From Clev)  OL  Brian Stork FSU

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  DE  Larry Webster  Bloomsburg

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  I also like that we keep Ryan Mallett in this scenario.  I kind of like the idea of trying to keep him around for a while (maybe a new contract?  Not sure how much an unproven, but talented guy like him would demand???)  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?



    Don;t know if you caught it during the Senior Bowl telecast. Webster is a former basketball player. Some scouts were looking into converting him into a TE.

     
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    OK.  MB is probably right, Martin will probably not last until pick #36.  Here is another scenario, under the same trade assumptions that I had earlier.  This one is probably a little more realistic.  Assuming Nix is long gone by pick #20, eliminating a realistic chance to trade up for him, here is a good scenario in my eyes...

     

    1st Round:

    #29  Traded away to Cleveland for pick #36; #71 (3rd); and #133 (5th rnd)

    2nd Round:


    #36 (From Clev)  TE   Troy Niklas  ND

    #44  (From Stl)  DT  DaQuan Jones PSU  *NE gives up #59; #93 (3rd); & #189 (6th rnd)*

    3rd Round:

    #71  (From Clev)  TE  CJ Fiedorowicz  Iowa

    4th Round:


    #99 (From Atl)  WR Brandon Coleman  Rutgers  *NE gives up #125 & 2015 4th*

    5th Round:


    #133  (From Clev)  OL  Brian Stork FSU

    #138  (From JAX)  OLB  Christian Kirksey  Iowa  *NE gives up #182 (6th); #221 (7th); and 2015 6th*


    6th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  SS Isaiah Lewis  Michigan St.

    Comp. Pick:  DT  Caraun Reid  Princeton

    7th Round:

    Comp. Pick:  DE  Larry Webster  Bloomsburg

     

    Lots of trades, but a realistic scenario, I believe.  I also like that we keep Ryan Mallett in this scenario.  I kind of like the idea of trying to keep him around for a while (maybe a new contract?  Not sure how much an unproven, but talented guy like him would demand???)  We would be tapping into our 2015 picks by trading away our 4th and 6th rounders next year, but I think this draft, or one similar, would give us 3 or 4 immediate impact starters, as well as 3 or 4 high upside depth players.  What do you all think?



    Don;t know if you caught it during the Senior Bowl telecast. Webster is a former basketball player. Some scouts were looking into converting him into a TE.



    Did not know that.  Good info.  Thanks Man!

     
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    MB this draft is starting to give me the gut feeling that someone is going to offer BB a butt load of draft picks for #29, and with the depth of this draft he might just trade out. Just a feeling.



    I wouldn't mind that this year, unless a slam dunk talent is there at 29, like Nix, I'm ok with moving back a bit.



    I agree.

    If both Nix and Tuitt are gone, I want Daquan Jones. Does anyone believe that D Jones will still be on the board when the Pats pick their second rounder? I don't. I think they need to get him in the first third of the second round. So, maybe a good scenario would be to trade out of the first and then turn it into a high second (probably will take more than one transaction). 

    From all the Mocks I've read D'Quan Jones should still be on the board in round 3, so I'm guessing he's still available at 59. So if the Patriots want him they will have to beat O'Brien to him, my guess is that Bill O'Brien will take a QB with his number 1 or he'll take Clowney, that leaves two scenarios: one he takes Clowney and takes one of the secondary QB's in round 2 or reverse the thought and put D'Quan in at the top of round 2. Leaving BB holding an empty hand. For those who are worried about the health of the Fork, don't forget that they have Porkchop Grissom still under contract, and Armstead to go with the youngsters who performed rather nicely though not Pro Bowlers they worked out well.




    Mocks may say one thing, but my eyes tell me that Jones probably doesn't get out of Rd 2 and may be gone by the middle of it.  There's a premium on big, athletic DT's that can play across multiple fronts.

    Vellano and Jones flashed some ability and I'm interested to see what Grissom can do, but I want them to increase the talent upfront, maybe leave specialists like Jones for subpackages or obvious passing downs.

    Teams were able to run on them pretty easily last year and if you're giving up decent yardage on 1st or even 2nd down your DB's are at a disadvantage trying to stop the underneath stuff (that they generally give away as part of their scheme) on 3rd and s/hort/medium.  You add a DaQuan Jones to VW and TK and it's going to be aweful tough for teams to gut them on the ground.



    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     



    Reminds me of a bigger myron pryor. I'd like to see him playing against some better competition.

    He leans forward to much relying on his weight and does not consistently extend his arms.

    LTU was not very good this season based on record so I assume either the coaching stinks or the talent is not that great on the team. If the talent is not that great on the team and Ellis is decent he will look even better being surrounded by those not so good.

    Need to see a lot more than that one clip to get a better idea of forming a valid opinion.

    More pass rushing then run defending plays in that clip but on one of them Ellis was standing up to tall on a tackle attempt and the RB just ran right though his attempted tackle.

    The lean can be noticed when he collapses the blocker but then simple OG's (On Grounds) it by falling on top of him taking himself out of the play, at least till he gets up.

    Seems athletic and moves well for his size. He also seems to have his head in the game as he plays, thinking past just his initial responsibility. Is typically always with eyes on or trying to have eyes on the ball.

    My "first look" reaction.

     
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    I do not believe Jones will be there at 60+. If he is then Pats should pounce. 

    Assuming Tuitt and Nix are gone before Jones, the only other DT I like is Ellis - another 330+ kid, in the third-fourth round range. But unlike McCullers, has very active legs. Single blockers are no match. He can push doubles. He knows where the ball is even while pushing. Does not stop playing/fighting even when brought down. Frankly, he's not a glamorous DT pick, but I think this kid is low-second/high-third caliber.

    You may have seen his video on draftbreakdown, but here it is anyway.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/justin-ellis-vs-southern-miss-2013/

     

     



    Reminds me of a bigger myron pryor. I'd like to see him playing against some better competition.

    He leans forward to much relying on his weight and does not consistently extend his arms.

    LTU was not very good this season based on record so I assume either the coaching stinks or the talent is not that great on the team. If the talent is not that great on the team and Ellis is decent he will look even better being surrounded by those not so good.

    Need to see a lot more than that one clip to get a better idea of forming a valid opinion.

    More pass rushing then run defending plays in that clip but on one of them Ellis was standing up to tall on a tackle attempt and the RB just ran right though his attempted tackle.

    The lean can be noticed when he collapses the blocker but then simple OG's (On Grounds) it by falling on top of him taking himself out of the play, at least till he gets up.

    Seems athletic and moves well for his size. He also seems to have his head in the game as he plays, thinking past just his initial responsibility. Is typically always with eyes on or trying to have eyes on the ball.

    My "first look" reaction.



    Great observations, Low. His video reminds me of the videos I saw of Wilkerson. I think the difference is Ellis has more active legs.

    To me, he's one among the DTs this year with the best combination of size, legs/leverage/power and determination. I just think those are a very strong foundation to build on. Use of arms I believe can be taught.

     

     

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    The worst part of the draft being so far away. To much time to for us to try and figure out which way the wind blows on every player we've mentioned. The best part of it being so far off in the future BB and his staff will be able to take plenty of time to workout as many guys as they can between now and then.

     
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    I mocked this through 3 rds not trying to put Nix at 29.  It just turned out that way.  There is a chance Nix would fall. (Remote) I see other players pushing up through after the combine.  Could see NE trade out. This is a heavy mock, DT,TE,OLB,OG,TE, DT/DE34, ILB

     



    Nix/Niklas at 29 and 62 would be amazing.  Highly doubt either guy is there at those spots, but never know.  



    I agree, but with so many underclassmen someone will drop.  If you take into consideration QBs and DBs I think there will be some desperation by some teams. Also, if teams are drafting by needs or BPA that could factor in to someone dropping.  The other factor is the buzz from building on certain players. It will get more intense after the combine.  Last year Lotulelei was considered by many in the top three he dropped to 14.  He had the injury also.

    I don't think Hageman, Tuitt or Nix will be there at 29. Amaro maybe. Maybe NE trades down again.  It's a crapshoot as always.

     

     
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    Here's a question we all must think about when mock drafting the Patriots, which way will BB go if Talib,Wendell, Edelman, and Blount decide to go for the pay day? How would it change their perspective???? More importantly how would it effect your mocks??? Add another scenario, lets just say for the sake of argument VW had to retire? Now you could almost bet the farm that BB would trade out of round 1, because that's a lot of talent out the door. MB how would that change the draft in your opinion? Also has anyone here had an inkling as to whether BB would take Andre Williams in any of their Mocks? He's an absolute beast, if you don't like him how about Jeremy Hill the LSU back who only scored 16 rushing TD's last year. Because if Blount leaves they may be looking for a new star. Edelman isn't a big worry because they already have in house options: TJ Moe, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie and Boyce. They would still need a DT only difference is they would need a guy who could anchor the line immediately. The one guy they would have the hardest time replacing is Talib because they would need a #1 CB, All these things could come to fruition.

     
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    Here's a question we all must think about when mock drafting the Patriots, which way will BB go if Talib,Wendell, Edelman, and Blount decide to go for the pay day? How would it change their perspective???? More importantly how would it effect your mocks??? Add another scenario, lets just say for the sake of argument VW had to retire? Now you could almost bet the farm that BB would trade out of round 1, because that's a lot of talent out the door. MB how would that change the draft in your opinion? Also has anyone here had an inkling as to whether BB would take Andre Williams in any of their Mocks? He's an absolute beast, if you don't like him how about Jeremy Hill the LSU back who only scored 16 rushing TD's last year. Because if Blount leaves they may be looking for a new star. Edelman isn't a big worry because they already have in house options: TJ Moe, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie and Boyce. They would still need a DT only difference is they would need a guy who could anchor the line immediately. The one guy they would have the hardest time replacing is Talib because they would need a #1 CB, All these things could come to fruition.



    I've given up trying to think what BB would do. When he traded Seymour I thought he would get one in the draft, it took him 4 years to get Jones. When I was convinced he was going to take a DT 2 years ago in a deep DT draft he took T. Wilson in the 2nd. Frankly the only thing I'm sure about is he'll take a CB regardless (as he has for what 6 years now?) and either a WR or RB (as he has for almost the same amount of time), and he'll take a player who has fallen 2+ rounds due to injury from either this past year or the previous year. Past that you might as well toss darts at a board. Though for the most part we usually get 1-2 guys we mention on the thread (last year I got Collins, but I had him in the 3rd, and MB got Ryan, but I believe he had him in the 2nd).

     
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    Here's a question we all must think about when mock drafting the Patriots, which way will BB go if Talib,Wendell, Edelman, and Blount decide to go for the pay day? How would it change their perspective???? More importantly how would it effect your mocks??? Add another scenario, lets just say for the sake of argument VW had to retire? Now you could almost bet the farm that BB would trade out of round 1, because that's a lot of talent out the door. MB how would that change the draft in your opinion? Also has anyone here had an inkling as to whether BB would take Andre Williams in any of their Mocks? He's an absolute beast, if you don't like him how about Jeremy Hill the LSU back who only scored 16 rushing TD's last year. Because if Blount leaves they may be looking for a new star. Edelman isn't a big worry because they already have in house options: TJ Moe, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie and Boyce. They would still need a DT only difference is they would need a guy who could anchor the line immediately. The one guy they would have the hardest time replacing is Talib because they would need a #1 CB, All these things could come to fruition.



    If all those players left, I could see him trading back.  Would probably go FA CB, FA WR, draft a DT, TE, Connelly to OC, draft a RB, draft a OG, S, DE, LB.

    WR - Moe, Harrison, Orton, Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, FA WR, Collie

    That FA WR better be a home run! Ha Ha!      Same with FA CB

     
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    Here's a question we all must think about when mock drafting the Patriots, which way will BB go if Talib,Wendell, Edelman, and Blount decide to go for the pay day? How would it change their perspective???? More importantly how would it effect your mocks??? Add another scenario, lets just say for the sake of argument VW had to retire? Now you could almost bet the farm that BB would trade out of round 1, because that's a lot of talent out the door. MB how would that change the draft in your opinion? Also has anyone here had an inkling as to whether BB would take Andre Williams in any of their Mocks? He's an absolute beast, if you don't like him how about Jeremy Hill the LSU back who only scored 16 rushing TD's last year. Because if Blount leaves they may be looking for a new star. Edelman isn't a big worry because they already have in house options: TJ Moe, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie and Boyce. They would still need a DT only difference is they would need a guy who could anchor the line immediately. The one guy they would have the hardest time replacing is Talib because they would need a #1 CB, All these things could come to fruition.



    If all those players left, I could see him trading back.  Would probably go FA CB, FA WR, draft a DT, TE, Connelly to OC, draft a RB, draft a OG, S, DE, LB.

    WR - Moe, Harrison, Orton, Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, FA WR, Collie

    That FA WR better be a home run! Ha Ha!      Same with FA CB



    We almost have to resign Edelman.  That WR corp is awful without him.  I mean, look at what you have there.  Moe & Harrison were undrafted guys and coming off injury.  Can't bank on them.  Orton is terrible.  He got cut from his arena league team.  Amendola can't stay on the field, and Collie has had his concussion issues which you have to be concerned about.  The 3 second year guys have potential, but need to make the jump.  I think Dobson and Boyce will emerge, not sold on Thompkins.  Either way, we need Edelman back.  He is really the only reliable WR we have right now.

     
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    Here's a question we all must think about when mock drafting the Patriots, which way will BB go if Talib,Wendell, Edelman, and Blount decide to go for the pay day? How would it change their perspective???? More importantly how would it effect your mocks??? Add another scenario, lets just say for the sake of argument VW had to retire? Now you could almost bet the farm that BB would trade out of round 1, because that's a lot of talent out the door. MB how would that change the draft in your opinion? Also has anyone here had an inkling as to whether BB would take Andre Williams in any of their Mocks? He's an absolute beast, if you don't like him how about Jeremy Hill the LSU back who only scored 16 rushing TD's last year. Because if Blount leaves they may be looking for a new star. Edelman isn't a big worry because they already have in house options: TJ Moe, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie and Boyce. They would still need a DT only difference is they would need a guy who could anchor the line immediately. The one guy they would have the hardest time replacing is Talib because they would need a #1 CB, All these things could come to fruition.



    If all those players left, I could see him trading back.  Would probably go FA CB, FA WR, draft a DT, TE, Connelly to OC, draft a RB, draft a OG, S, DE, LB.

    WR - Moe, Harrison, Orton, Amendola, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, FA WR, Collie

    That FA WR better be a home run! Ha Ha!      Same with FA CB



    We might end up with 10 picks in the draft (3 compensation) and 7 in day 3 alone. Of the players listed 3 were starters this past year. Why would you trade back into the sub/role player range (late 3rd and beyond) that take a couple years to develop when you need to replace starters this year immediately? If anything the logic should be to move up to gain immediate talent and starting caliber replacements.

     
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