***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    I could see BB targeting a big (6-2 225), powerful SEC back like Alfred Blue late on Day 3 or as an URFA.

    [/QUOTE] If Blount bolts BB will draft a late round special at RB but if he wants to spend a 4rth round pick on Jeremy Hill he would probably get him, 16 TD's last season and younger than Blue.


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    Hill can cetainly bang... though I think he's off the board on Day 2... one of the top backs in this draft, IMO... but does have some off the field questions.

     
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    I would rather go DT first. I think Niklas will be there at #58.

    If we could get Hageman/Niklas rd. 1-2 that would be awesome

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    DT, S or TE for me in Rd 1.

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    The only negative I have read is straightline speed.  That should be put to rest at the combine.  I really thing he is the closest to replicating what Gronk does in totality.  On where he goes, I could see him as a mid-late 2nd rd.  Will see after the combine and pro-days.

    As far as order, I agree with DT, S, TE and I wouldn't discount OG or DE, it just depends who drops.

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    I agree on DE, it's not discussed much, but they have very little quality depth behind Chandlr and Nink... hopefully Buchanan will continue to develop, but Bequette hasn't done anything.  If they took an OG, I'd understand it, but I think the OG value in this class in between Rd's 2-4 with Su'a- Filo, Richburg, Bitonio, Steen, Watt and Stork all being players of interest for me.

     
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    NFL Scouting Combine 

    1. Manziel a Flutie-Tarkenton hybrid

    In describing former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel as a combination of Doug Flutie and Fran Tarkenton, but also seeing some flaws from Manziel's poor performances against LSU and Missouri, Mayock's five most succinct words were these: "I believe in the kid."

    2. Is Clowney motivated?

    How badly does Jadeveon Clowney want to be a dominant NFL player? That's the question Mayock has about the former South Carolina defensive end whose mental makeup is expected to be placed under a far more powerful microscope at the combine than his unassailable physical skills.

    3. Mizzou's Sam 'a tweener'

    The NFL's first openly gay draft prospect, former Missouri defensive end Michael Sam, has been cast by scouts essentially as a third-down player in the NFL who will provide a pass rush off the edge, but little else. Count Mayock among those who view Sam this way, but with the NFL putting a premium on pass rushers, Sam could still be picked as high as the third round. Mayock said Arkansas defensive end Chris Smith, also undersized like Sam, projects for the same role and in the same area of the draft (rounds 3 to 5).

    4. Deepest draft in a while

    Mayock's thoughts on the depth of overall talent in the draft were strong. "Deepest and best draft class I've seen in probably 10 years," he said. "I had a GM tell me the other day that having a top 20 pick this year is like having a top 10 pick last year. There are some positions that are stacked, where you can get a quality player through three or four rounds."

    5. Ford to the Eagles?

    Mayock brought up Auburn defensive end Dee Ford on multiple occasions on the conference call as a potential impact pass rusher at the next level and finds him to be a potential fit with the Philadelphia Eagles. "He doesn't have as much length as you might like," Mayock said. "He's a guy with some real edge burst, and a guy who can fit what the Eagles do."

    6. Hot and cold on Hageman

    Mayock said Minnesota defensive lineman Ra'Shede Hageman looks like a first-round pick in some games, and in others "he disappears for three quarters" and looks like a fifth- or sixth-round pick. Mayock said a good evaluation of Hageman must properly balance both the best and worst of his body of work.

    7. LSU's Hill a risk/reward RB

    The combination of a troubled past and playing a non-premium position will conspire to hurt LSU running back Jeremy Hill, Mayock believes. Hill, who is scheduled to be on probation through July 2015 after two arrests, is the most gifted SEC running back in the draft. "I think he's going to look good at the combine. He's got really good feet for his size. The bigger thing for this kid is being able to look teams in the eye and explain what he did and why he did it. ... He's certainly a risk/reward guy. ... If he was clean off the field, I'd say second round in a heartbeat. With a second-round offensive grade, he'd be fortunate to go in the third or the fourth."

    8. Hyde's draft projection

    Speaking of running backs, Mayock is impressed with Ohio State's Carlos Hyde, although not impressed enough to project him for the first round, as NFL Media analyst Charles Davis did in his latest mock draft.  "I love his feet. For a 235 pound guy, he's got great feet. Pass protection, I think he needs to get a little bit better," Mayock said. "He can be a three-down back. He's got everything you're looking for. I think he probably goes in the second round. He cuts well, has good balance. Has good ability to make you miss in the hole."

    9. Three WR options for Ravens

    Asked about potential wide receivers who could be available to the Baltimore Ravens with the No. 16 or 17 pick, Mayock sees a variety of possibilities. "(Sammy) Watkins will be long gone. Then you start to get into what flavor do you like?" Mayock said, citing USC's Marqise Lee, Texas A&M's Mike Evans and Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin and saying they are completely different receivers. "I really believe when the Ravens get on the clock, at least one, if not two, of those three will be available. They bring different things to the table."

    10. Plenty of OTs to be found

    As high as Mayock is on the depth of wide receivers in the draft, he was equally effusive about offensive tackles beyond the first round. "If you're not going to jump on a tackle in the first round, you can get into the second round, or even later in the second round," he said. Mayock named Virginia's Morgan Moses, Clemson's Brandon Thomas, Nevada's Joel Bitonio and Ohio State's Jack Mewhort as a few good examples of players who could be found in the second or third round and are likely to be starters.

    11. High on TCU's Verrett

    For NFL defenses that were shredded by slot receivers last year, Mayock sees Texas Christian CB Jason Verrett as the best answer as a nickel back prospect. "My favorite nickel in the draft is Jason Verrett from TCU," Mayock said. "The only reason I wouldn't say he's a top-20 pick is because of his size. He's 5-(foot)-9, probably 185 (pounds). But he's ideal for the slot, because he's quick-footed, and he's tough. Remember, the slot guys, what gets overlooked is that you've got to tackle also. And this is a tough kid."

    12. Sankey the next Bernard?

    Washington RB Bishop Sankey is among the players Mayock most looks forward to seeing at the combine, and he compared him to Cincinnati Bengals rookie Giovani Bernard. "I want to see him catch the football. I don't get to see enough diversity of catches and routes off his tape. I think he can be a lot like the kid out of North Carolina (Bernard), if he can catch the football like that," Mayock said. Two more combine happenings worth watching, according to Mayock: The speed of Southern Cal WR Marqise Lee, and the way former Oregon TE Colt Lyerla handles questions about his off-field troubles.

    13. Fuller underrated

    In noting that long speed is the primary question for cornerback prospects Darqueze Dennard of Michigan State and Kyle Fuller of Virginia Tech, Mayock let on that he is far more excited about Fuller than most draft pundits. "If they both run well, I think they're going to climb even higher, especially the Fuller kid, who most people have in the second or third round, and I think he's a first-round player."

    14. Top 3 QBs fit Browns

    Mayock noted that some quarterbacks fare better in high winds and cold weather than others. Big hands, he said, also help in that regard. But on the subject of the Cleveland Browns' best quarterback option, Mayock believes all three of the draft's top passers -- UCF's Blake Bortles, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater and Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel -- could be a good fit for Cleveland. "Bortles is kind of the bigger, stronger guy. People think he's got the biggest arm. I'm not sure if he does or not. But I also think he's the least developed of the three. Bridgewater is the most ready-to-play NFL-style quarterback in this draft. Manziel's got that 'it' factor where I don't think it matters."

    15. Patriots on the clock

    Asked about tight end and defensive line possibilities for the New England Patriots with the No. 29 overall pick, Mayock cast two names for the Belichick braintrust: TE Jace Amaro of Texas Tech and DT Ra'Shede Hageman of Minnesota. "A lot of people who like Amaro point to Hernandez and say he's that kind of guy," Mayock said, referring to former Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez. Mayock said Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins is more similar to Rob Gronkowski, and that if the Patriots look for help at tight end they are more likely to target someone in the mold of Hernandez.

    16. High on Mack

    The best edge pass rusher in the draft after Jadeveon Clowney? It's not a defensive end, Mayock says -- it's Buffalo's Khalil Mack. "You can line up on a tight end, and he'd be OK. I think the important thing is that if you're drafting him as a 4-3 team, that in nickel and sub situations, you're freeing him up to go get the quarterback. ... I think after Clowney, I think he's the most gifted edge guy in the class," Mayock said.

    17. Bears should hope for Jernigan

    If Florida State defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan is available to the Chicago Bears with the No. 14 overall pick, Mayock believes the club should have its track shoes on. "The defensive tackles are kind of a mixed back. My top two guys, (Louis) Nix and (Tim) Jernigan, couldn't be more different. I think Jernigan can step in and be special early. ... If he's sitting there when the Bears are on the board at No. 14, I think you sprint to the podium."

    18. Black Mamba's value

    Mayock had this to say about Oregon's De'Anthony Thomas, one of college football's most electrifying offensive players, as a wide receiver prospect: "Because of his speed and playmaking ability, in today's NFL he's more valuable than he would have been six, eight, 10 years ago. He probably goes in the fourth-round area. ... He's a kickoff guy, plus we got to get him 10 touches a game. How do we manufacture those 8 to 10 touches a game so he can make those plays for us that he did at Oregon?"

     
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    Hit 3 mock draft sites and they all had Amaro for NE.  You all know what that means.  NE selects someone else.

     
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    Zac Kerr, Delaware,  6'2", 330, DT

    In the mold of Justin Ellis.  A later round DT

     

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    Hit 3 mock draft sites and they all had Amaro for NE.  You all know what that means.  NE selects someone else.

    [/QUOTE] Yeah pretty much on point, anytime the pundits think they have BB and the Patriots draft figured out they are more off base than we are! BB would trade out of the 1rst round before he'ld let some schlep figure him out...


     
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    Hit 3 mock draft sites and they all had Amaro for NE.  You all know what that means.  NE selects someone else.

    [/QUOTE] Yeah pretty much on point, anytime the pundits think they have BB and the Patriots draft figured out they are more off base than we are! BB would trade out of the 1rst round before he'ld let some schlep figure him out...


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    I do remember their being plenty of smoke around Chandler Jones prior to that draft, but generally speaking he doesn't seem to take who most have him pegged to... for the most part.

     
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    NFL Scouting Combine 

    1. Manziel a Flutie-Tarkenton hybrid

    In describing former Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel as a combination of Doug Flutie and Fran Tarkenton, but also seeing some flaws from Manziel's poor performances against LSU and Missouri, Mayock's five most succinct words were these: "I believe in the kid."

    2. Is Clowney motivated?

    How badly does Jadeveon Clowney want to be a dominant NFL player? That's the question Mayock has about the former South Carolina defensive end whose mental makeup is expected to be placed under a far more powerful microscope at the combine than his unassailable physical skills.

    3. Mizzou's Sam 'a tweener'

    The NFL's first openly gay draft prospect, former Missouri defensive end Michael Sam, has been cast by scouts essentially as a third-down player in the NFL who will provide a pass rush off the edge, but little else. Count Mayock among those who view Sam this way, but with the NFL putting a premium on pass rushers, Sam could still be picked as high as the third round. Mayock said Arkansas defensive end Chris Smith, also undersized like Sam, projects for the same role and in the same area of the draft (rounds 3 to 5).

    4. Deepest draft in a while

    Mayock's thoughts on the depth of overall talent in the draft were strong. "Deepest and best draft class I've seen in probably 10 years," he said. "I had a GM tell me the other day that having a top 20 pick this year is like having a top 10 pick last year. There are some positions that are stacked, where you can get a quality player through three or four rounds."

    5. Ford to the Eagles?

    Mayock brought up Auburn defensive end Dee Ford on multiple occasions on the conference call as a potential impact pass rusher at the next level and finds him to be a potential fit with the Philadelphia Eagles. "He doesn't have as much length as you might like," Mayock said. "He's a guy with some real edge burst, and a guy who can fit what the Eagles do."

    6. Hot and cold on Hageman

    Mayock said Minnesota defensive lineman Ra'Shede Hageman looks like a first-round pick in some games, and in others "he disappears for three quarters" and looks like a fifth- or sixth-round pick. Mayock said a good evaluation of Hageman must properly balance both the best and worst of his body of work.

    7. LSU's Hill a risk/reward RB

    The combination of a troubled past and playing a non-premium position will conspire to hurt LSU running back Jeremy Hill, Mayock believes. Hill, who is scheduled to be on probation through July 2015 after two arrests, is the most gifted SEC running back in the draft. "I think he's going to look good at the combine. He's got really good feet for his size. The bigger thing for this kid is being able to look teams in the eye and explain what he did and why he did it. ... He's certainly a risk/reward guy. ... If he was clean off the field, I'd say second round in a heartbeat. With a second-round offensive grade, he'd be fortunate to go in the third or the fourth."

    8. Hyde's draft projection

    Speaking of running backs, Mayock is impressed with Ohio State's Carlos Hyde, although not impressed enough to project him for the first round, as NFL Media analyst Charles Davis did in his latest mock draft.  "I love his feet. For a 235 pound guy, he's got great feet. Pass protection, I think he needs to get a little bit better," Mayock said. "He can be a three-down back. He's got everything you're looking for. I think he probably goes in the second round. He cuts well, has good balance. Has good ability to make you miss in the hole."

    9. Three WR options for Ravens

    Asked about potential wide receivers who could be available to the Baltimore Ravens with the No. 16 or 17 pick, Mayock sees a variety of possibilities. "(Sammy) Watkins will be long gone. Then you start to get into what flavor do you like?" Mayock said, citing USC's Marqise Lee, Texas A&M's Mike Evans and Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin and saying they are completely different receivers. "I really believe when the Ravens get on the clock, at least one, if not two, of those three will be available. They bring different things to the table."

    10. Plenty of OTs to be found

    As high as Mayock is on the depth of wide receivers in the draft, he was equally effusive about offensive tackles beyond the first round. "If you're not going to jump on a tackle in the first round, you can get into the second round, or even later in the second round," he said. Mayock named Virginia's Morgan Moses, Clemson's Brandon Thomas, Nevada's Joel Bitonio and Ohio State's Jack Mewhort as a few good examples of players who could be found in the second or third round and are likely to be starters.

    11. High on TCU's Verrett

    For NFL defenses that were shredded by slot receivers last year, Mayock sees Texas Christian CB Jason Verrett as the best answer as a nickel back prospect. "My favorite nickel in the draft is Jason Verrett from TCU," Mayock said. "The only reason I wouldn't say he's a top-20 pick is because of his size. He's 5-(foot)-9, probably 185 (pounds). But he's ideal for the slot, because he's quick-footed, and he's tough. Remember, the slot guys, what gets overlooked is that you've got to tackle also. And this is a tough kid."

    12. Sankey the next Bernard?

    Washington RB Bishop Sankey is among the players Mayock most looks forward to seeing at the combine, and he compared him to Cincinnati Bengals rookie Giovani Bernard. "I want to see him catch the football. I don't get to see enough diversity of catches and routes off his tape. I think he can be a lot like the kid out of North Carolina (Bernard), if he can catch the football like that," Mayock said. Two more combine happenings worth watching, according to Mayock: The speed of Southern Cal WR Marqise Lee, and the way former Oregon TE Colt Lyerla handles questions about his off-field troubles.

    13. Fuller underrated

    In noting that long speed is the primary question for cornerback prospects Darqueze Dennard of Michigan State and Kyle Fuller of Virginia Tech, Mayock let on that he is far more excited about Fuller than most draft pundits. "If they both run well, I think they're going to climb even higher, especially the Fuller kid, who most people have in the second or third round, and I think he's a first-round player."

    14. Top 3 QBs fit Browns

    Mayock noted that some quarterbacks fare better in high winds and cold weather than others. Big hands, he said, also help in that regard. But on the subject of the Cleveland Browns' best quarterback option, Mayock believes all three of the draft's top passers -- UCF's Blake Bortles, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater and Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel -- could be a good fit for Cleveland. "Bortles is kind of the bigger, stronger guy. People think he's got the biggest arm. I'm not sure if he does or not. But I also think he's the least developed of the three. Bridgewater is the most ready-to-play NFL-style quarterback in this draft. Manziel's got that 'it' factor where I don't think it matters."

    15. Patriots on the clock

    Asked about tight end and defensive line possibilities for the New England Patriots with the No. 29 overall pick, Mayock cast two names for the Belichick braintrust: TE Jace Amaro of Texas Tech and DT Ra'Shede Hageman of Minnesota. "A lot of people who like Amaro point to Hernandez and say he's that kind of guy," Mayock said, referring to former Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez. Mayock said Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins is more similar to Rob Gronkowski, and that if the Patriots look for help at tight end they are more likely to target someone in the mold of Hernandez.

    16. High on Mack

    The best edge pass rusher in the draft after Jadeveon Clowney? It's not a defensive end, Mayock says -- it's Buffalo's Khalil Mack. "You can line up on a tight end, and he'd be OK. I think the important thing is that if you're drafting him as a 4-3 team, that in nickel and sub situations, you're freeing him up to go get the quarterback. ... I think after Clowney, I think he's the most gifted edge guy in the class," Mayock said.

    17. Bears should hope for Jernigan

    If Florida State defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan is available to the Chicago Bears with the No. 14 overall pick, Mayock believes the club should have its track shoes on. "The defensive tackles are kind of a mixed back. My top two guys, (Louis) Nix and (Tim) Jernigan, couldn't be more different. I think Jernigan can step in and be special early. ... If he's sitting there when the Bears are on the board at No. 14, I think you sprint to the podium."

    18. Black Mamba's value

    Mayock had this to say about Oregon's De'Anthony Thomas, one of college football's most electrifying offensive players, as a wide receiver prospect: "Because of his speed and playmaking ability, in today's NFL he's more valuable than he would have been six, eight, 10 years ago. He probably goes in the fourth-round area. ... He's a kickoff guy, plus we got to get him 10 touches a game. How do we manufacture those 8 to 10 touches a game so he can make those plays for us that he did at Oregon?"

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    I agree, some good commentary and love the depth overall.

    Many of us have a similar view of Kyle Fuller.  I had him on my board in rd 1 for quite a while, but dropped him a bit due to injury... though I still have him in Rd 2.  Check out his tape vs. Bama.

    This is why I love a player like Joel Bitonio in the Rd 3 range... LT in college, good feet, but also can kick inside in a pinch.

    He also sees what we see in regards to Hageman... wildly inconsistent, but all the talent/upside in the world.  

    If everyone's projecting Amaro or Hageman, I hope it's Pryor or Tuitt or a wildcard like Aaron Donald!  Fuller or Roby are intriguing options if they move on from Talib and are looking CB in Rd 1.

     
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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     

     
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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     

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    Anything is possible. Agree double dip on DTs. Fales is a sleeper with upside. Lokombo is a possibility also. Overall solid draft. I don't comment on trades as it is not possible to project correctly. Your selections fit needs so that is excellent. Mayock likes ASJ, I prefer Niklas in the 2nd. Ferguson may go higher than 62.  Good post!

     
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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     

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    love the thought, esp if we can get Nix. I just can't see Minn trading their 2nd for Mallett and a 7th. I think Malletts value might lie with Minn or Hou but it might be for a 3rd and we might have to toss in the 7th or 6th

     
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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     

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    love the thought, esp if we can get Nix. I just can't see Minn trading their 2nd for Mallett and a 7th. I think Malletts value might lie with Minn or Hou but it might be for a 3rd and we might have to toss in the 7th or 6th

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    Yeah you're probably right, a second round pick for Mallet might be a little bit optimistic, but I'm just guessing.  Honestly I don't even know if he's going to get traded.  I think he probably still has quite a bit of value to New England as a capable backup.  I just wanted to put together a scenario where we could trade up to get Nix, and I think we would need that extra 2rd to do that.  Probably wishful thinking but you never know...

     
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    MB and Co. Do you see a trade up for a targeted player (Chandler Jones)? If so who for, I see Calvin Pryor and Nix being those players who fall into the 20-25 range; if the players BB covets in the 1st are gone he could trade down and accumulate picks. Many mocks seem to have the Pats taking TE, but I could see a TE in the 3rd or 4th its fairly deep draft for TEs the question is really what skill set the brass is looking for.

     
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    MB and Co. Do you see a trade up for a targeted player (Chandler Jones)? If so who for, I see Calvin Pryor and Nix being those players who fall into the 20-25 range; if the players BB covets in the 1st are gone he could trade down and accumulate picks. Many mocks seem to have the Pats taking TE, but I could see a TE in the 3rd or 4th its fairly deep draft for TEs the question is really what skill set the brass is looking for.

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    With the depth of this class, I hope they don't trade up. I think that would be a waste of resrouces. But who knows? BB is BB.

     

     
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    Hit 3 mock draft sites and they all had Amaro for NE.  You all know what that means.  NE selects someone else.

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    I think a Gronk understudy is more important, given how they perform in the RZ when Gronk is out.

    Also, why get fixated on finding a Hern replacement? I would prefer they take a big WR who can play different spots.

     
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    In response to WazzuWheatfarmer's comment:

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    Here is a quick Mock Idea.  In this scenario, Nix falls to #20, and we trade up to grab him in front of GB...

    #20)  DT  Louis Nix III  Notre Dame  (NE gives AZ #29, 3rd, and 6th)

    #40)  TE  Austin Sefarin-Jenkins  UW  (NE gives Minn Ryan Mallett and 7th)

    #62)  DT  Ego Ferguson  LSU

    4th)  C  Marcus Martin   USC

    6th)  OLB  Boseko Lokombo  UO  (via Philly)

    6th)  QB  David Fales  San Jose St.  (Comp.)

    6th)  SS  Ty Zimmerman  KSU  (Comp.)

     

    I love the idea of double-dipping on DTs early.  Inproving that position would really solidify our defense.  I know that getting an early 2nd for Mallett might be a bit of a pipe dream, but it would allow NE to have that extra ammo if they want to move up for a blue-chipper like Nix.  Without that extra 2nd, I probably would not move up at all.  What do you all think?

     



    love the thought, esp if we can get Nix. I just can't see Minn trading their 2nd for Mallett and a 7th. I think Malletts value might lie with Minn or Hou but it might be for a 3rd and we might have to toss in the 7th or 6th

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    Yeah you're probably right, a second round pick for Mallet might be a little bit optimistic, but I'm just guessing.  Honestly I don't even know if he's going to get traded.  I think he probably still has quite a bit of value to New England as a capable backup.  I just wanted to put together a scenario where we could trade up to get Nix, and I think we would need that extra 2rd to do that.  Probably wishful thinking but you never know...

    [/QUOTE] You guys are really under selling the value of Mallett, the Redskins have let it be known that it will take a 2nd round pick to acquire Cousins! Mallett may not have played a down, but he also hasn't thrown 12 picks in two years! He is learning under TB and I'd rather have a QB who learned from TB than some jag who played because he had to. Mallett's worth is probably more than Cousins, so if Washington wants a 2nd what do you think BB wants? It sure as hell won't be less than what Washington wants.


     
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    13. Fuller underrated

    In noting that long speed is the primary question for cornerback prospects Darqueze Dennard of Michigan State and Kyle Fuller of Virginia Tech, Mayock let on that he is far more excited about Fuller than most draft pundits. "If they both run well, I think they're going to climb even higher, especially the Fuller kid, who most people have in the second or third round, and I think he's a first-round player."

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    I agree fully on Fuller. As mentioned earlier on this thread, Fuller is my favorite CB.

    Look at this video. My favorite play was the first one they showed. It illustrates two things: He is very athletic; He is confident about his athleticism, he can afford to be very disciplined with his hands. Any other CB would ahve wrapped his right arm around the receiver and be called for PI.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kyle-fuller-vs-north-carolina-2013/

    He did a similar play against Alabama.

    He is not infallible. He got burned in the Alabama game. But the kid can handle all sorts of receivers on any sort of play.

     
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    16. High on Mack

    The best edge pass rusher in the draft after Jadeveon Clowney? It's not a defensive end, Mayock says -- it's Buffalo's Khalil Mack. "You can line up on a tight end, and he'd be OK. I think the important thing is that if you're drafting him as a 4-3 team, that in nickel and sub situations, you're freeing him up to go get the quarterback. ... I think after Clowney, I think he's the most gifted edge guy in the class," Mayock said.

     

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    Why compare Clowney vs Mack. Isn't Clowney a DE and Mack an OLB? Clowney, is the better pure edge rusher; but, Mack is by far the better all around guy. Mack can rush inside/ outside. I have seen him drop back and cover really well. The combine will just confirm that he has the quickness to do in the NFL what he did in college.

    The better debate is Barr vs Mack.

     

     
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    15. Patriots on the clock

    Asked about tight end and defensive line possibilities for the New England Patriots with the No. 29 overall pick, Mayock cast two names for the Belichick braintrust: TE Jace Amaro of Texas Tech and DT Ra'Shede Hageman of Minnesota. "A lot of people who like Amaro point to Hernandez and say he's that kind of guy," Mayock said, referring to former Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez. Mayock said Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins is more similar to Rob Gronkowski, and that if the Patriots look for help at tight end they are more likely to target someone in the mold of Hernandez.

     

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    Not terribly excited about those two names - Hageman and Amaro - for the Pats.

    Mayock's commentary on Hageman applies only when Hageman is on the field. He had one good game. All the restm he really was pedestrian on most of he snaps he played. The othe rthing is that he does not play nearly half the defensive snaps. IDK if it's a fitness issue or his coach did not trust him to play more snaps. I want someone who can play all three downs and most of the defensive snaps.

    As for Amaro, I do not believe he would be a straight replacement for Hern. Amaro is very unideminsional compared to Hern, who can line up everywhere. Amaro is a simply a size mismatch who was used at the slot. I don;t think he has the agility to be as versatile as Hern.

    Also, frankly, I'd rather that the Pats get a Gronk 2.0 than a Hern 2.0.

     

     
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    In response to seattlepat70's comment:
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    In response to jjdbrasil's comment:
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    Some good comments from Mike Mayock, puts the draft in perspective.  Deepest draft in 10, years, a top 20 pick is the same as a top 10 from last year.  NO RGIII or Luck. If this is true, a team's first 2 picks in this draft could potentially be starters with the 3rd rder close. Another good draft for OT.  I wouldn't discount NE taking an OT in the 1st 3 rds.  They never do what we thing they will do.

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    NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock held a marathon media teleconference of roughly 2 hours, 40 minutes to discuss draft prospects entering the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine. A look at some of Mayock's key points:

     

    15. Patriots on the clock

    Asked about tight end and defensive line possibilities for the New England Patriots with the No. 29 overall pick, Mayock cast two names for the Belichick braintrust: TE Jace Amaro of Texas Tech and DT Ra'Shede Hageman of Minnesota. "A lot of people who like Amaro point to Hernandez and say he's that kind of guy," Mayock said, referring to former Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez. Mayock said Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins is more similar to Rob Gronkowski, and that if the Patriots look for help at tight end they are more likely to target someone in the mold of Hernandez.

     

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    Not terribly excited about those two names - Hageman and Amaro - for the Pats.

    Mayock's commentary on Hageman applies only when Hageman is on the field. He had one good game. All the restm he really was pedestrian on most of he snaps he played. The othe rthing is that he does not play nearly half the defensive snaps. IDK if it's a fitness issue or his coach did not trust him to play more snaps. I want someone who can play all three downs and most of the defensive snaps.

    As for Amaro, I do not believe he would be a straight replacement for Hern. Amaro is very unideminsional compared to Hern, who can line up everywhere. Amaro is a simply a size mismatch who was used at the slot. I don;t think he has the agility to be as versatile as Hern.

    Also, frankly, I'd rather that the Pats get a Gronk 2.0 than a Hern 2.0.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    The more I think about it, the more I would rather have ASJ or Niklas than Amaro.  

     
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    The more I think about it, the more I would rather have ASJ or Niklas than Amaro.  

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    I've been on that boat since Day 1!

     
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    Since we have pointed out that DE is of need, a couple of guys I'm intrigued by and what your guys' opinion on for a Day2/3 pick .

    Marcus Smith, love this kid. The more I watch the more I like honestly. Real quick off the line and has that relentless effort. if we could snag him round two i would be ecstatic.

    Josh Mauro (stanford), I just love his size 6'6 270... but he's not too athletic and I question his pass rush ability at the next level and he was surronded by many good player too, which i question

    Kareem Martin (UNC) anoher kid with good size and has better athleticism than Mauro. Honestly haven't seen too much from him but he intrigues me

    aaron Lynch (USF), has the homesick issue but I like the potential he could have but he also doesnt seem to have the "drive" factor to him. he's an athlete but he's just "there" on the field. maybe BB could harness this kid?

     

    thoughts?

     

     
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    This may not be popular, but I'm not a fan of Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz.  He just doesn't look very fast, quick, or athletic to me.  Truthfully, I don't even know if he would be an upgrade over Hooman.  Seems like a pretty good blocker, but an underwelming athlete.  ASJ is the guy I like.

     
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    This may not be popular, but I'm not a fan of Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz.  He just doesn't look very fast, quick, or athletic to me.  Truthfully, I don't even know if he would be an upgrade over Hooman.  Seems like a pretty good blocker, but an underwelming athlete.  ASJ is the guy I like.

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    I like CJ. I think if we use a 3rd on him that's fine. if we traded up in the 3rd or 2nd to get him, that's reaching big time and I wouldn't like that. but all in all I like what I've seen from him. I think he is a better and bigger target than Hooman.

    and agree ASJ is my guy too

     
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    Since we have pointed out that DE is of need, a couple of guys I'm intrigued by and what your guys' opinion on for a Day2/3 pick .

    Marcus Smith, love this kid. The more I watch the more I like honestly. Real quick off the line and has that relentless effort. if we could snag him round two i would be ecstatic.

    Josh Mauro (stanford), I just love his size 6'6 270... but he's not too athletic and I question his pass rush ability at the next level and he was surronded by many good player too, which i question

    Kareem Martin (UNC) anoher kid with good size and has better athleticism than Mauro. Honestly haven't seen too much from him but he intrigues me

    aaron Lynch (USF), has the homesick issue but I like the potential he could have but he also doesnt seem to have the "drive" factor to him. he's an athlete but he's just "there" on the field. maybe BB could harness this kid?

     

    thoughts?

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I cannot fault you for liking Smith. He is my favorite DE in this class. Still has a few things to learn technique-wise, but will be a stud in the NFL.

     
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