***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    One little? How about enough that he admitted to having an issue, quit on his team, and is known to have other off field issues like drug dealer affliations? This is like the Mallett situation which was just about the coke. This kid has as many red flags coming out as Hern did.

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    and he's not a first round talent like Hern was. so why even risk it. Hern was atleast a 1-2round talent that dropped in our lap at rd 4.

     
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    So here's a quick report of a player from NFL.com and get your guys opinions if 1) he sounds like a BB type of player and 2) who do you think it is:



    yes, definitely sounds like a BB kind of guy.

    and my guess is ... CJ Fiedorowicz or Niklas

     
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    So here's a quick report of a player from NFL.com and get your guys opinions if 1) he sounds like a BB type of player and 2) who do you think it is:



    yes, definitely sounds like a BB kind of guy.

    and my guess is ... CJ Fiedorowicz or Niklas



    Nope nether

     
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    One little? How about enough that he admitted to having an issue, quit on his team, and is known to have other off field issues like drug dealer affliations? This is like the Mallett situation which was just about the coke. This kid has as many red flags coming out as Hern did.



    and he's not a first round talent like Hern was. so why even risk it. Hern was atleast a 1-2round talent that dropped in our lap at rd 4.



This kid has as much talent as Hern did but quiting the team is what ended it. Between Hern's situation and his red flags I don't see him being draft before late day 3 if at all. Heck we are now finding out Hern was even taken off of some draft boards because of his red flags. I doubt Kraft would toss his neck out there again drafting a similar player (even though I highly doubt this kid would kill someone, doesn't have the violent history Hern reportedly had, then again we didn't know about that until after the fact too)

 
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    Nope nether



    hmmm ok, Joe Don Duncan or Crockett Gilmore?

     

     
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    Nope nether



    hmmm ok, Joe Don Duncan or Crockett Gilmore?

     



    It's Joe Don Duncan. Full report and I completely agree with it:

    2013: First-team AP Little All-American after becoming the only player in school history with a 1,000-yard season. Was a first-team All-Great Northwest Athletics Conference pick. 2012: Missed the season with a knee injury. 2011: Started in 10 games, finishing with 64 receptions for 949 yards and nine touchdowns. 2010: Played in eight games at El Camino Community College. 2009: Played in four games at El Camino Community College. 2008:: Broke femur, forcing him to take a redshirt while at Sacramento State. Misc.: Listens to Elton John before every game.

    ANALYSIS STRENGTHS

     Big, soft hands and adjusts very well to the ball -- outstanding hand placement and catching radius. Good muscularity and weight-room strength. Very good coverage recognition -- feels his way through zones and finds open areas. Will drop his shoulder and barrell through contact. Flashes some power running after the catch. Respected, vocal, emotional team leader and it shows. Extremely smart. Outstanding football IQ. Football is extremely important to him. Emergency kicker and long-snapper. Superb production for a tight end.

    WEAKNESSES

     Has short arms. Average foot speed. Benefited heavily from facing inferior competition (able to separate vertically vs. small, slow defensive backs). Unsudden route runner. Not distinguished as an in-line blocker and plays down to the competition. Very inconsistent second-level blocker -- does not sustain or finish. Will be a 25-year-old rookie. Durability is a concern -- had multiple surgeries on his right leg.

    BOTTOM LINE

     A big fish in a small pond, Duncan stands out against lesser competition and could have made a statement in postseason all-star competition to solidify his draft standing. However, he broke his foot training for the Senior Bowl and only showed to interview. Age and injury history can diminish his value, but he possesses the intelligence, leadership traits and versatility desired at the bottom of a roster. Long-snapping ability could be his ticket.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joe%20don-duncan?id=2543576


    Btw Fiedorowicz top 10 in bench, 20 shuttle, and #1 in 3 cone with ties to BB already. Be nice to double dip and grab Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and trade up to the 5th for Duncan Then you can double dip with DT in the 1st and 3rd while still grabbing an OL in the 4th and Tenn's line in the late rounds

     
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    It's Joe Don Duncan. Full report and I completely agree with it


    Btw Fiedorowicz top 10 in bench, 20 shuttle, and #1 in 3 cone with ties to BB already. Be nice to double dip and grab Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and trade up to the 5th for Duncan Then you can double dip with DT in the 1st and 3rd while still grabbing an OL in the 4th and Tenn's line in the late rounds



    Agree. I would love to see maybe a draft like Hageman round1, CJ Fierdo Rd 2 (if Niklas or ASJ drop there though you got to take them I think), maybe go Ferguson or McCullers round3, Bryan Stork or Thomas (clemson) in round 4.

     
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    It's Joe Don Duncan. Full report and I completely agree with it


    Btw Fiedorowicz top 10 in bench, 20 shuttle, and #1 in 3 cone with ties to BB already. Be nice to double dip and grab Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and trade up to the 5th for Duncan Then you can double dip with DT in the 1st and 3rd while still grabbing an OL in the 4th and Tenn's line in the late rounds



    Agree. I would love to see maybe a draft like Hageman round1, CJ Fierdo Rd 2 (if Niklas or ASJ drop there though you got to take them I think), maybe go Ferguson or McCullers round3, Bryan Stork or Thomas (clemson) in round 4.



    Ferguson would be great but don't see him making it to the 3rd

     
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    Ferguson would be great but don't see him making it to the 3rd



    true, I think he makes it to the 3rd but not as late as our pick. early-mid 3rd is my thought

     
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    Ferguson would be great but don't see him making it to the 3rd



    true, I think he makes it to the 3rd but not as late as our pick. early-mid 3rd is my thought



    Amaro looked bad I might be starting to change my tune. Fiedorowicz starting to rise up. If BB drafts him in the first round , why do I have this funny feeling he's taking him. The man is built like a house of steel. With Popeye arms. 

     
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    So BB likes to double down lately which psoition do you think it will be?

    Other BB trends:

    Takes at least 1 player with top ten 3 cone number

    Takes a DB

    Takes 1 player that falls each year

     
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    • jeez Ebron is a presence. he didn't even do catch drills but his 40 was impressive. i dont see him getting out of the top 15 or even 10.

     

    • does anyone know why Niklas didn't run? he looked good on catching drills, would've been nice to see him run.

     

    • still do not want Colt Lyerla dont care the 40 time  (which offically wasnt even good)

     

    • ASJ i wanted to see him run/catch but that didnt happen sadly.

     

    • Amaro had a good 40 seemed to lose his focus on the drills. dropped balls. hate that. still has great film

     

    • Greg Robinson as been above Matthews in my book for awhile and today helped his case imo. so damn athletic




    Per Tony Pauline, ASJ didn't run because of a foot fracture.

    Could drop to NE in 2nd rd, I still want Niklas.

     
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    Per Tony Pauline, ASJ didn't run because of a foot fracture.

    Could drop to NE in 2nd rd, I still want Niklas.



    THanks jjd, I knew ASJ had a foot issue but not enough for him not to participate.

    If both ASJ and Niklas drop to us in Rd2, i would be ecstatic. I love both of them

     
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    Some early bench press numbers form Josh Norris on Twitter:

    - Brandon Coleman: 21 reps @ 225# (with 34" arms)
    - Jordan Matthews: 21 (with 33 1/4" arms)
    - Sammy Watkins: 16
    - Martavis Bryant: 16
    - Brandin Cooks: 16
    - Kelvin Benjamin: 13 (34 7/8" arms)

    - Abbrederis: 4

    - Beckham: 7

    - Latimer: 23

     
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    Hagemen with the first..trade up if you have too. Then draft either Fiedorowicz, ASJ, or Niklas with your second or the one you get for mallet..or your first one. 

     
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    Niklas didn't do the 40 because of a slight hamstring pull

    Didn't think the TE's as a group was all that good, frankly...Amaro looked drugged for cripes sake and didn't catch anything...the H back from Wisconsin, Pedersen ran and caught well all day...Duncan from Dixie State...strong as a bull but probably a brain like one too...Lyerla is radioactive for a team that just went through AH...Ebron appears to be the class of the "GO" TE's, will go fast....Fiedorowicz is huge and strong, moves ok, not great...Lynch from GA. is a local kid, from Dartmouth MA, and I think his dad used to be the HS coach there...

    The speed of the OL was unreal.....but not many looked that fluid in drills....the big 3 of Lewan, Matthews and Robinson were outstanding, all future All-Pro's, as expected...Yankey looked like molasses rolling up-hill in the winter but he's a beast...I hope the film is good on these gtuys because, like I sad, their straight line speed was great, their lateral movement, past the known good ones, very questionable



    Trying to get a TE to help Gronk out so he don't have to catch 15 passes a game and get dinged up.. Trying to find aaron Hernandez replacement that can run,catch , block, and know the playbook all in one year of development is starting to be wish full thinking.. If they go for a TE we need someone to run crisp routes and catch. If not everything else is a waste of time. Also the payer needs to have a mean streak it's not required but won't hurt lol.

     
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    Niklas didn't do the 40 because of a slight hamstring pull

    Didn't think the TE's as a group was all that good, frankly...Amaro looked drugged for cripes sake and didn't catch anything...the H back from Wisconsin, Pedersen ran and caught well all day...Duncan from Dixie State...strong as a bull but probably a brain like one too...Lyerla is radioactive for a team that just went through AH...Ebron appears to be the class of the "GO" TE's, will go fast....Fiedorowicz is huge and strong, moves ok, not great...Lynch from GA. is a local kid, from Dartmouth MA, and I think his dad used to be the HS coach there...

    The speed of the OL was unreal.....but not many looked that fluid in drills....the big 3 of Lewan, Matthews and Robinson were outstanding, all future All-Pro's, as expected...Yankey looked like molasses rolling up-hill in the winter but he's a beast...I hope the film is good on these guys because, like I sad, their straight line speed was great, their lateral movement, past the known good ones, very questionable



    nice quick summary of the day mel!

     
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    Think Fiedorowicz may be out of our range in 2nd now? Certainly looks like he boosted his stock.

    How do you rate him now to your boy Niklas and other TE's remembering what best suits Pats system. Still think game tape is more important.......that's when opposition tackle you not like  in any drills.

    Think BB may have a smokey here .....depends how he rates DT's.

     
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    My advice  is to take everything you see at the combine with a huge grain of salt.  Base your evaluations on the film.  I'm glad Amaro/Niklas/ASJ didn't have great days and /or didn't perform in some of the drills.  Maybe that will help them slide a little farther down the board.  Those guys are all really good TEs.  I couldn't care less about their perfomances at the underware olympics.

     
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    Good point Wazza. But if BB likes one above all others will he take second choice just because that one falls and say Fiedorowicz rises?

    Given history he will pluck someone nobody has heard of. Sooner than later he has to go with talent not value or TB will be retired and too late? 

    Not much use paying scouts, bringing in Lombardi and changing coaches etc if he still reaches for players and seems to think he can make them walk on water. His secondary and wide receiver selections in drafts have probably cost the Pats another Super Bowl or two.

     

     

     

     

     
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    You've really got to feel for Cyrus Kouandjio... What a shame. I hope a team still takes a flyer on him, and if nothing else, gives him enough money to retire with. Poor fella.

     

     Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 16m 
    Bad news for #Bama OT Cyrus Kouandjio. I’m told several teams have failed him on his physical. Arthritic knee from failed surgery. “Ugly.”

     
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    You've really got to feel for Cyrus Kouandjio... What a shame. I hope a team still takes a flyer on him, and if nothing else, gives him enough money to retire with. Poor fella.

     



    whats sad is he had a rough couple games in 2013 and some thought he would be better off staying at bama his senior year. could be a whole different story if he did that

     
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    MB

    Think Fiedorowicz may be out of our range in 2nd now? Certainly looks like he boosted his stock.

    How do you rate him now to your boy Niklas and other TE's remembering what best suits Pats system. Still think game tape is more important.......that's when opposition tackle you not like  in any drills.

    Think BB may have a smokey here .....depends how he rates DT's.



    I still put Niklas at the top based on his blocking ability (elite potential and the best in this class) and upside as a receiver (started his ND career as a LB, and has only played TE for 2 years).  I'm not a huge ASJ guy, but in the 2nd round they could do worse.  

    I'd love to see them double dip at TE, with a dual purpose TE high (Niklas, ASJ, CJ or Lynch) on Day 1 or 2... then a flex type kid on Day 3 like Oklahoma's Trey Millard, Florida's Trey Burton or Marshall's Gator Hoskins.

     
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    You've really got to feel for Cyrus Kouandjio... What a shame. I hope a team still takes a flyer on him, and if nothing else, gives him enough money to retire with. Poor fella.

     

     Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 16m 
    Bad news for #Bama OT Cyrus Kouandjio. I’m told several teams have failed him on his physical. Arthritic knee from failed surgery. “Ugly.”



    Ouch... now the question becomes, is NE one of those teams that failed him?  If not, they've shown that they have no problem taking players with a history of injury, so what round would the cost justify the risk?

     
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