***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    Like MBs draft that nets us Telvin Smith, Troy Niklas and Hageman. I'd take that and maybe add McCarron.



    Yeah, Telvin is the prob the most intriguing prospect in this class, IMO.  A potential new age defender due to his size (6-3 218), speed (4.52), physicality and experience down in the box (plays ILB for FSU) athleticism and range.

    After the Ohio St. pro day I'm wondering if Shazier isn't moving back up into the the first round, he ran an extremely fast 40 4.39 while his fellow Buckeye Hyde popped a nice 4.38 track stars!!




    I'm always skeptical of pro-day 40 times... not sure how Hyde can go from a 4.66 at the combine to a 4.38 at his pro-day... either way, he moves well for a big back, but not 4.38 well.

    I think Shazier has always been a Rd 1/fringe Rd 1 talent... athletic, rangy, playmaker that can cover.  Further proves the crazy depth/talent in this class though that he's not a Rd 1 lock.

     
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    NIU S Jimmie Ward is a good football player.  He's not the big, physical enforcer that most (including me) want to see, but has a very good all around game.  With BB generally liking to roll out interchangeable S, Ward reminds me a a lot of DMC in both size (5-11 193), instincts and his ability vs. the run.  He's not an assassin, but is very good downhill player and secure tackler. 

     
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    Opinion question for the group: should NE draft a safety or fast cover LB, what type?   Is it a OLB convert like T.Smith or even Shazier, a smaller safety like Jimmie Ward; maybe someone like Ed Reynolds that keeps everything in front of him?  Would a fast cover LB do the trick using the safeties NE has in-house?

    I can't decide if cover LB or S is more important. I look at it from the NT-MLB-SS- FS.  Imagine that line going from the NT going back to the FS and those aeas that need to be defensed.  I keep leaning towards a cover LB to defense those TEs running down the seams that gave trouble to NE last year.  (Just for this arguement let us assume we have fixed the DL)

    Opinions?

     
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    What do you guys think of Adrian Hubbard (4th round) and Collins paired up in nickel? I know that means Mayo would have to come off the field.  

    and have no idea what to make of Telvin Smith, has speed and size to play SS but doesn't want to move from ILB.  Not sure what team will allow him that opportunity but his size (6'3" 220lbs, 4.5 40 speed) screams SS

     
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    Like MBs draft that nets us Telvin Smith, Troy Niklas and Hageman. I'd take that and maybe add McCarron.



    Yeah, Telvin is the prob the most intriguing prospect in this class, IMO.  A potential new age defender due to his size (6-3 218), speed (4.52), physicality and experience down in the box (plays ILB for FSU) athleticism and range.

    After the Ohio St. pro day I'm wondering if Shazier isn't moving back up into the the first round, he ran an extremely fast 40 4.39 while his fellow Buckeye Hyde popped a nice 4.38 track stars!!




    I'm always skeptical of pro-day 40 times... not sure how Hyde can go from a 4.66 at the combine to a 4.38 at his pro-day... either way, he moves well for a big back, but not 4.38 well.

    I think Shazier has always been a Rd 1/fringe Rd 1 talent... athletic, rangy, playmaker that can cover.  Further proves the crazy depth/talent in this class though that he's not a Rd 1 lock.

    I'm not sure the timers at the Combine were accurate this year, according to NFL.com watch Colt Lyerla ran a 4.47 at the combine but the combine guy had him at 4.66 big difference!!! He was a 4.3 guy coming out of high school. I'm just saying it's possible the the guy running the clock at Indy was to fast on his start button. So do I think Hyde is a 4.3 guy ? Nope but I'll bet he's close to it. 4.42 or something in that range.


     
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    Like MBs draft that nets us Telvin Smith, Troy Niklas and Hageman. I'd take that and maybe add McCarron.



    Yeah, Telvin is the prob the most intriguing prospect in this class, IMO.  A potential new age defender due to his size (6-3 218), speed (4.52), physicality and experience down in the box (plays ILB for FSU) athleticism and range.

    After the Ohio St. pro day I'm wondering if Shazier isn't moving back up into the the first round, he ran an extremely fast 40 4.39 while his fellow Buckeye Hyde popped a nice 4.38 track stars!!




    I'm always skeptical of pro-day 40 times... not sure how Hyde can go from a 4.66 at the combine to a 4.38 at his pro-day... either way, he moves well for a big back, but not 4.38 well.

    I think Shazier has always been a Rd 1/fringe Rd 1 talent... athletic, rangy, playmaker that can cover.  Further proves the crazy depth/talent in this class though that he's not a Rd 1 lock.

    I'm not sure the timers at the Combine were accurate this year, according to NFL.com watch Colt Lyerla ran a 4.47 at the combine but the combine guy had him at 4.66 big difference!!! He was a 4.3 guy coming out of high school. I'm just saying it's possible the the guy running the clock at Indy was to fast on his start button. So do I think Hyde is a 4.3 guy ? Nope but I'll bet he's close to it. 4.42 or something in that range.




    Yeah, there's always a delta between the unofficial and official times at the combine, and the end result is usually a slower time... then pro-days are always faster.  I also agree that there could be variances, depending on who's doig the timeing, but that'd be a huge variance.  I put even less stock into a HS 40 time... those things are never accurate... I follow HS recruiting (for ND) very closely and it seems every other skill kid claims a 4.3 or low 4.4, but it's just not true.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on Hyde... I don't see a 4.42 back on tape... mid/high 4.5's (which would be very good) I can buy, but that's prob it.

     
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    Opinion question for the group: should NE draft a safety or fast cover LB, what type?   Is it a OLB convert like T.Smith or even Shazier, a smaller safety like Jimmie Ward; maybe someone like Ed Reynolds that keeps everything in front of him?  Would a fast cover LB do the trick using the safeties NE has in-house?

    I can't decide if cover LB or S is more important. I look at it from the NT-MLB-SS- FS.  Imagine that line going from the NT going back to the FS and those aeas that need to be defensed.  I keep leaning towards a cover LB to defense those TEs running down the seams that gave trouble to NE last year.  (Just for this arguement let us assume we have fixed the DL)

    Opinions?



    Good question... personally, I want to see an enforcer on the back end of the D, but adding a solid defender that improves the overall defense is the ultimate goal.  I prefer Ward to Reynolds, just think he's a better player and while Ward isn't big... he plays physical and has even shown the ability to line someone up, but leading with a shoulder vs. the crown of his helmet... plays smart for the most part.

     
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    What do you guys think of Adrian Hubbard (4th round) and Collins paired up in nickel? I know that means Mayo would have to come off the field.  

    and have no idea what to make of Telvin Smith, has speed and size to play SS but doesn't want to move from ILB.  Not sure what team will allow him that opportunity but his size (6'3" 220lbs, 4.5 40 speed) screams SS



    Hubbard is an interesting prospect with the size/lenght/versatilty/pedigree that's sure to interest BB/NC.  He's flashed some PR potential, but is still a bit raw in that capacity, though he's a solid run defender and can/will set the edge.  Solid upside play in the middle rounds, IMO.

     
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    Like MBs draft that nets us Telvin Smith, Troy Niklas and Hageman. I'd take that and maybe add McCarron.



    Yeah, Telvin is the prob the most intriguing prospect in this class, IMO.  A potential new age defender due to his size (6-3 218), speed (4.52), physicality and experience down in the box (plays ILB for FSU) athleticism and range.

    After the Ohio St. pro day I'm wondering if Shazier isn't moving back up into the the first round, he ran an extremely fast 40 4.39 while his fellow Buckeye Hyde popped a nice 4.38 track stars!!




    I'm always skeptical of pro-day 40 times... not sure how Hyde can go from a 4.66 at the combine to a 4.38 at his pro-day... either way, he moves well for a big back, but not 4.38 well.

    I think Shazier has always been a Rd 1/fringe Rd 1 talent... athletic, rangy, playmaker that can cover.  Further proves the crazy depth/talent in this class though that he's not a Rd 1 lock.

    I'm not sure the timers at the Combine were accurate this year, according to NFL.com watch Colt Lyerla ran a 4.47 at the combine but the combine guy had him at 4.66 big difference!!! He was a 4.3 guy coming out of high school. I'm just saying it's possible the the guy running the clock at Indy was to fast on his start button. So do I think Hyde is a 4.3 guy ? Nope but I'll bet he's close to it. 4.42 or something in that range.




    Yeah, there's always a delta between the unofficial and official times at the combine, and the end result is usually a slower time... then pro-days are always faster.  I also agree that there could be variances, depending on who's doig the timeing, but that'd be a huge variance.  I put even less stock into a HS 40 time... those things are never accurate... I follow HS recruiting (for ND) very closely and it seems every other skill kid claims a 4.3 or low 4.4, but it's just not true.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on Hyde... I don't see a 4.42 back on tape... mid/high 4.5's (which would be very good) I can buy, but that's prob it.

    Who knows who's telling the truth the object changes by location! At the combine there's always the fact that the Colts own the building all they have to do is fidget the times a bit and different GM's will change their boards sure would help the Colts get an advantage. I'm just sayin this is no different than cooperate sabotage. I tend to give the pro day times more credence as long as they run them indoors, not seeing a Hyde as a 4.4 guy on tape wouldn't surprise he's a big back! I'm sure he doesn't look near as fast as a scat back...


     

     
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    What do you guys think of Adrian Hubbard (4th round) and Collins paired up in nickel? I know that means Mayo would have to come off the field.  

    and have no idea what to make of Telvin Smith, has speed and size to play SS but doesn't want to move from ILB.  Not sure what team will allow him that opportunity but his size (6'3" 220lbs, 4.5 40 speed) screams SS



    Hubbard is an interesting prospect with the size/lenght/versatilty/pedigree that's sure to interest BB/NC.  He's flashed some PR potential, but is still a bit raw in that capacity, though he's a solid run defender and can/will set the edge.  Solid upside play in the middle rounds, IMO.

    I hope they either take Van Noy or Hubbard.

     
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    trey millard will be a patriot



    torn ACL in October, if he is probably a red shirt year specially since they are carrying Develin if they do draft him. 

    There's lots to like about Millard, can line up all over not just as FB but unless the name is adrian peterson I don't know of ACL come back in 10 months.

     
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    I'm starting to think Talib is gone, so now I can see the patriots drafting a big psychical corner early on.. What are people's thoughts on some big corners in either round 1 or 2. Thank you.

     
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    First CB that turns his head, when the ball is thrown outside the numbers forget him. CB's should be trying to force the reciever into the middle of the field, be physical with him, and be all over the deep out, where the sideline helps you. Open field tackling and run support is big. Techique is more important than speed and size in this position. These Big CB's for Seattle have good techinique, and size. But they get great help from their Safeties.

     
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    trey millard will be a patriot



    I like him, along with Trey Burton as a late day 3 option as that versatile TE/HB/FB type that can play multiple roles.

     
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    I'm starting to think Talib is gone, so now I can see the patriots drafting a big psychical corner early on.. What are people's thoughts on some big corners in either round 1 or 2. Thank you.



    Kyle Fuller prob fits most closely to what you're mentioning... good height and length, but a bit lean (6-0 190) and not overly strong in the upper body (12 reps @ 225), physical kid though that can cover and tackle.

    Bradley Roby is 5-11 194 and is tough and aggressive, but not "big".

    As for the bigger Day 2 CB's (Jean-Baptiste, McGill and Desir), they really wouldn't be classified as physical and don't really play to their size in that capacity.

     

     
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    Like MBs draft that nets us Telvin Smith, Troy Niklas and Hageman. I'd take that and maybe add McCarron.



    Yeah, Telvin is the prob the most intriguing prospect in this class, IMO.  A potential new age defender due to his size (6-3 218), speed (4.52), physicality and experience down in the box (plays ILB for FSU) athleticism and range.

    After the Ohio St. pro day I'm wondering if Shazier isn't moving back up into the the first round, he ran an extremely fast 40 4.39 while his fellow Buckeye Hyde popped a nice 4.38 track stars!!




    I'm always skeptical of pro-day 40 times... not sure how Hyde can go from a 4.66 at the combine to a 4.38 at his pro-day... either way, he moves well for a big back, but not 4.38 well.

    I think Shazier has always been a Rd 1/fringe Rd 1 talent... athletic, rangy, playmaker that can cover.  Further proves the crazy depth/talent in this class though that he's not a Rd 1 lock.

    I'm not sure the timers at the Combine were accurate this year, according to NFL.com watch Colt Lyerla ran a 4.47 at the combine but the combine guy had him at 4.66 big difference!!! He was a 4.3 guy coming out of high school. I'm just saying it's possible the the guy running the clock at Indy was to fast on his start button. So do I think Hyde is a 4.3 guy ? Nope but I'll bet he's close to it. 4.42 or something in that range.




    Yeah, there's always a delta between the unofficial and official times at the combine, and the end result is usually a slower time... then pro-days are always faster.  I also agree that there could be variances, depending on who's doig the timeing, but that'd be a huge variance.  I put even less stock into a HS 40 time... those things are never accurate... I follow HS recruiting (for ND) very closely and it seems every other skill kid claims a 4.3 or low 4.4, but it's just not true.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on Hyde... I don't see a 4.42 back on tape... mid/high 4.5's (which would be very good) I can buy, but that's prob it.

    Who knows who's telling the truth the object changes by location! At the combine there's always the fact that the Colts own the building all they have to do is fidget the times a bit and different GM's will change their boards sure would help the Colts get an advantage. I'm just sayin this is no different than cooperate sabotage. I tend to give the pro day times more credence as long as they run them indoors, not seeing a Hyde as a 4.4 guy on tape wouldn't surprise he's a big back! I'm sure he doesn't look near as fast as a scat back...


     



    I'm not ready to accuse another organization of falsifying info at the combine, especially when we can watch what's going on, live. 

    I tend to trust the combine more, because it uses the same timing system for all players..  vs. who knows what at the pro-days.

     
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    A bit of mock as a prisoner of the moment, no #1 CB.  Been looking at comp picks and I think I can make the statement there's at least 2 6th rounders.  We all know the usual suspects but will make an argument for the less knowns/not liked.

    1st CB Kyle Fuller

    2nd DT DeQuan Jones

    3rd TE C.J. Fiedorowicz

    4th OG Jon Halapio

    6th LB Max Bullough

    6th DE Aaron Lynch - Guy has all the tools, 6'5" 250lbs when motivated (that's the key) can be a disruptive guy off the edge.  Problem is he hasn't played to his potential, lack of motivation.  I think in NE's locker room he would find that motivation.  Could be a steal if he turns it on.

    6th Comp QB Tom Savage named Tom picked in the 6th round and his bio reads like someone else named Tom lol  I had to do it but he can develop into a starting NFL QB.

    6th Comp S Brock Vereen, Shane's brother y not

    7th TE/Hback/FB Gator Hoskins  Name alone lol  but undersized TE 6'2" 244lbs, if he was 6'4" 260 he would be a 2nd rnd pick.

     

     
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    A bit of mock as a prisoner of the moment, no #1 CB.  Been looking at comp picks and I think I can make the statement there's at least 2 6th rounders.  We all know the usual suspects but will make an argument for the less knowns/not liked.

    1st CB Kyle Fuller

    2nd DT DeQuan Jones

    3rd TE C.J. Fiedorowicz

    4th OG Jon Halapio

    6th LB Max Bullough

    6th DE Aaron Lynch - Guy has all the tools, 6'5" 250lbs when motivated (that's the key) can be a disruptive guy off the edge.  Problem is he hasn't played to his potential, lack of motivation.  I think in NE's locker room he would find that motivation.  Could be a steal if he turns it on.

    6th Comp QB Tom Savage named Tom picked in the 6th round and his bio reads like someone else named Tom lol  I had to do it but he can develop into a starting NFL QB.

    6th Comp S Brock Vereen, Shane's brother y not

    7th TE/Hback/FB Gator Hoskins  Name alone lol  but undersized TE 6'2" 244lbs, if he was 6'4" 260 he would be a 2nd rnd pick.

     



    I think it's a solid haul overall... prefer a Chris Watt or John Urschel on the interior, but overall a good class.

     
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    A bit of mock as a prisoner of the moment, no #1 CB.  Been looking at comp picks and I think I can make the statement there's at least 2 6th rounders.  We all know the usual suspects but will make an argument for the less knowns/not liked.

    1st CB Kyle Fuller

    2nd DT DeQuan Jones

    3rd TE C.J. Fiedorowicz

    4th OG Jon Halapio

    6th LB Max Bullough

    6th DE Aaron Lynch - Guy has all the tools, 6'5" 250lbs when motivated (that's the key) can be a disruptive guy off the edge.  Problem is he hasn't played to his potential, lack of motivation.  I think in NE's locker room he would find that motivation.  Could be a steal if he turns it on.

    6th Comp QB Tom Savage named Tom picked in the 6th round and his bio reads like someone else named Tom lol  I had to do it but he can develop into a starting NFL QB.

    6th Comp S Brock Vereen, Shane's brother y not

    7th TE/Hback/FB Gator Hoskins  Name alone lol  but undersized TE 6'2" 244lbs, if he was 6'4" 260 he would be a 2nd rnd pick.

     



    I think it's a solid haul overall... prefer a Chris Watt or John Urschel on the interior, but overall a good class.



    It was a toss betewen Hala ur two and anthony steen.  If I thought Zack Martin would be available at 29 he would had been the pick.  

     

     

     
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    A bit of mock as a prisoner of the moment, no #1 CB.  Been looking at comp picks and I think I can make the statement there's at least 2 6th rounders.  We all know the usual suspects but will make an argument for the less knowns/not liked.

    1st CB Kyle Fuller

    2nd DT DeQuan Jones

    3rd TE C.J. Fiedorowicz

    4th OG Jon Halapio

    6th LB Max Bullough

    6th DE Aaron Lynch - Guy has all the tools, 6'5" 250lbs when motivated (that's the key) can be a disruptive guy off the edge.  Problem is he hasn't played to his potential, lack of motivation.  I think in NE's locker room he would find that motivation.  Could be a steal if he turns it on.

    6th Comp QB Tom Savage named Tom picked in the 6th round and his bio reads like someone else named Tom lol  I had to do it but he can develop into a starting NFL QB.

    6th Comp S Brock Vereen, Shane's brother y not

    7th TE/Hback/FB Gator Hoskins  Name alone lol  but undersized TE 6'2" 244lbs, if he was 6'4" 260 he would be a 2nd rnd pick.

     



    I think it's a solid haul overall... prefer a Chris Watt or John Urschel on the interior, but overall a good class.



    It was a toss betewen Hala ur two and anthony steen.  If I thought Zack Martin would be available at 29 he would had been the pick.  

     

     



    Yeah, he's as solid and safe a player as there is in this class.  He simply shut down whoever was across from him.

     
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    I have played most sports at a competitive level and would consider myself a mediocre player in comparison to elite players. One such sport was racket ball. I had the misfortune of ending up on the court with two seemingly advance players in a 3 man "cut-throat" game.

    The court had a balcony and there sat a white haired older gent in perhaps his late 60's. He asked if he could join our group so that we could play doubles and he would play with the weakest player to even the competition. He suggested me and thus we played.

    I don't know who the old gent was but we won the first game 20-2. The second game was closer 20-13 and the last game was 20-18. The strategy was to keep the ball AWAY from the old man (who turned every shot into a kill shot) and make me beat them.

    The point of this introduction, in addition to being highly skilled the old man ANTICIPATED every shot and was always in position for the KILL SHOT!

    Looking at running times at the combine and trying to make judgements on tens of a second times without weighing football knowledge, instincts and production at competitive levels is frought with miscalculations about pro potential.

     
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    I have played most sports at a competitive level and would consider myself a mediocre player in comparison to elite players. One such sport was racket ball. I had the misfortune of ending up on the court with two seemingly advance players in a 3 man "cut-throat" game.

    The court had a balcony and there sat a white haired older gent in perhaps his late 60's. He asked if he could join our group so that we could play doubles and he would play with the weakest player to even the competition. He suggested me and thus we played.

    I don't know who the old gent was but we won the first game 20-2. The second game was closer 20-13 and the last game was 20-18. The strategy was to keep the ball AWAY from the old man (who turned every shot into a kill shot) and make me beat them.

    The point of this introduction, in addition to being highly skilled the old man ANTICIPATED every shot and was always in position for the KILL SHOT!

    Looking at running times at the combine and trying to make judgements on tens of a second times without weighing football knowledge, instincts and production at competitive levels is frought with miscalculations about pro potential.



    Good story.  I'll only speak for myself, and the debate, at least from my side, was tied simply to what I thought their 40 time was or how fast said player looked on tape, not the overall skill set of the particular player.  I don't think anybody believes that a good 40 time, or lack their of, dictates success... or lack there of.

     
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    So TJ Moe is released, I can't think of any reason why they would release him now.  

     
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    So TJ Moe is released, I can't think of any reason why they would release him now.  



    Not happy with his recovery/progress from injury?  Not happy with his progress/understanding of the offensive system?  Don't project him to be anything special?

    I can see what you're saying, but they have the inside scoop.

     
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