***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    No way bb takes this kid in round 2. There I said it..lol, it will happen.



    So you're to blame  >.>

     
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    So is there any question that BB will either draft or sign Rutgers S Jeremy Deering as an URFA?  Listed at 6-2 200 and is listed as running a 4.33 40 with a 6.78 3C, 10-6 broad jump and 33.5 vert at his pro day.  No confirmed height/weight or SS #'s.



    Sounds like a BB guy to me. From Rutgers, great 3 cone, from Rutgers, runs a fast 40, from Rutgers, and good sized. lol, an entire S core of Rutgers players now that funny.



    And then there's this, haha:

    Scott Porter: What are your greatest strengths?

     Jeremy Deering: I believe that my greatest strength is my ability to make a quick adjustment when a situation arises. Being a smart football player and having experiences from playing multiple positions.

    http://www.newerascouting.com/2014/02/15/2014-draft-interview-jeremy-deering-s-rutgers/



    Forget a UDFA, here's our 2nd round pick fella's. Well that's one round down



    No way bb takes this kid in round 2. There I said it..lol, it will happen.



    And I just added my "Deering #28" jersey to cart at the Patriots Online ProShop, so it better happen!



    Ha!

    joking aside..he seems like the prototypical bb kid. Smart, versatile, Rutgers. I wouldn't mind us taking a late round or udfa flier on the kid, but we have more pressing needs early. 

    I think most of the kids we talk about in round 1...Ealy, nix, Hageman, will be gone. 

    Do you think tuitt with his foot injury makes him fall a bit? Do you think 29 is too early for him? 

    Any thoughts on Ford? 

     
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    So is there any question that BB will either draft or sign Rutgers S Jeremy Deering as an URFA?  Listed at 6-2 200 and is listed as running a 4.33 40 with a 6.78 3C, 10-6 broad jump and 33.5 vert at his pro day.  No confirmed height/weight or SS #'s.

     



    Sounds like a BB guy to me. From Rutgers, great 3 cone, from Rutgers, runs a fast 40, from Rutgers, and good sized. lol, an entire S core of Rutgers players now that funny.

     



    And then there's this, haha:

    Scott Porter: What are your greatest strengths?

     Jeremy Deering: I believe that my greatest strength is my ability to make a quick adjustment when a situation arises. Being a smart football player and having experiences from playing multiple positions.

    http://www.newerascouting.com/2014/02/15/2014-draft-interview-jeremy-deering-s-rutgers/



    Forget a UDFA, here's our 2nd round pick fella's. Well that's one round down



    No way bb takes this kid in round 2. There I said it..lol, it will happen.



    And I just added my "Deering #28" jersey to cart at the Patriots Online ProShop, so it better happen!



    Ha!

    joking aside..he seems like the prototypical bb kid. Smart, versatile, Rutgers. I wouldn't mind us taking a late round or udfa flier on the kid, but we have more pressing needs early. 

    I think most of the kids we talk about in round 1...Ealy, nix, Hageman, will be gone. 

    Do you think tuitt with his foot injury makes him fall a bit? Do you think 29 is too early for him? 

    Any thoughts on Ford? 



    Totally agree... makes a ton of sense late in the draft or as an URFA.

    I still like Attaochu, Tuitt and Shazier if the others are gone.  A sleeper could be Su'a-Filo if they target the OL.

    I don't think 29 is too early for Tuitt, no.

    You could prob add Ford to the Rd 1 discussion as well... shorter with shorter arms that Attaochu, but love the burst/suddenness of the snap, he uses his hands well, can bend and plays every snap hard... if they're looking for a situational edge rusher that can do more as his game develops, Ford is another very good option.

     

     
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    Question for the thread:

    Assuming Pryor, Ealy and Nix are off the board, who do you want in Rd 1 (trading back isn't an option)?



    What's up, Man?  Great question here.  If those 3 are gone, I have to say that Shazier would be my next option.  He is really growing on me.  I do feel that LB is a need, and throwing a guy like Shazier out there with Collins would give our LB corp some pretty insane athleticism.

     
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    Question for the thread:

    Assuming Pryor, Ealy and Nix are off the board, who do you want in Rd 1 (trading back isn't an option)?



    What's up, Man?  Great question here.  If those 3 are gone, I have to say that Shazier would be my next option.  He is really growing on me.  I do feel that LB is a need, and throwing a guy like Shazier out there with Collins would give our LB corp some pretty insane athleticism.



    Hey, man!  I like the idea of Shazier too, def adds crazy athleticism and versatility to the 2nd level of the D.

     
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    Doing my post FA 1st round mock, I don't know what I was thinking but there will be a few of those coming my way lol

    Thing I'm noticing, (I spend a stupid amount of time looking a other team needs to hope come up with a good) how I figured it would go before it's changing a bit now because of some team moves in FA.

    Like about to start research on Packers, so up to 21 I have not had a DT selected yet call me crazy but so far its a OL and DB frenzy with DT not getting any love.

    LOL stay tunned be ready soon, I'm ready for the "come on man!!!"

    Added:  FYI...I don't like Manzel think he's a bust waiting to happen.

     
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    I like this guy in the 3rd (trading up a little bit) maybe 2nd

    Deone Bucannon Scouting Report 
    By Charlie Campbell 

     

    Strengths:
    • Hard hitter
    • Tackling ability
    • Run defense
    • Physical presence
    • Can separate the ball from the receiver
    • Showed improved ball skills throughout his career
    • Experienced
    • Durable
    • Quickness
    • Ready to compete quickly
    • Productive
    • Experienced
    • Special teams ability
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    • Weaknesses:
    • More of a strong safety
    • Lacks range to be a free safety
    • Could be a liability in pass coverage
    • Can take false steps
    • Can he cover tight ends, slot receivers?
    • Stiff, could struggle to turn and run with receivers
    • Overly aggressive, penalties
     
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    MB, great question.

    I would go with Pryor as I think he and Ha-Ha are probably the only NFL starter safties in this draft.

    If you need  a DT in Rd 2, there are options, Jones, Quarles, Ferguson, you can have a run stuffer in Ellis in the late 3rd or 4th.

    For pass rushers/DE/OLB, K. Martin in the 2nd may work, and later, Jeffcoat, D. Lawerence, M, Smith.

     

    I think for the quality of player at 29;  knowing he would start; and more importantly after that the S talent drops off, I would go with Pryor.



    Gotta read the question again ;)  I had asked it assuming Pryor, Ealy and Nix were off the board.



    Sorry, early morning.  I would take Shazier, if he were there.

     
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    What about to trade out of the first and get and extra 3rd + 5th so NE could pick:

    Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas           2nd A (the swap pick, 15 to 18 in the 2nd round)

    Austin Seferian-Jenkins*, TE, Washington     2nd B (trade up with our 3rd)

    Deone Bucannon, S, Washington State  3rd A

    Size, power, Hard hitting, hard to match !!!

     
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    Here's the mock to NE's pick, a list of who I have as possible 1st round talent let for NE.  

    1 Texans QB Blake Bortles

    2 Rams OT Jake Mathews

    3 Jaguars WR Sammy Watkins

    4 Browns WR Mike Evans

    5 Raiders DE Jadeveon Clowney

    6 Falcons OT Greg Robinson

    7 Buccaneers LB Khalil Mack

    8 Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater

    9 Bills        OT Taylor Lewan

    10 Lions   S   Hasean Clinton-Dix

    11 Titans CB  Darqueze Dennard

    12   Giants DE  Kony Ealy

    13  Rams S   Calvin Pryor

    14  Bears  TE  Eric Ebron

    15  Steelers CB   Justin Gilbert

    16  Cowboys LB   Anthony Barr

    17  Ravens  OT  Zack Martin

    18   Jets  CB    Jason Verrett

    19  Dolphins  OG   Su'a-Filo

    20  Cardinals  CB  Kyle Fuller

    21  Packers  ILB  C.J. Mosley

    22    Eagles  LB  Ryan Shazier

    23  Chiefs  NT  Louis Nix

    24  Bengals  DE  Dee Ford

    25  Chargers  CB  Bradley Roby

    26  Browns QB  Derek Carr

    27  Saints  OT  Cyrus Kouandjio

    28  Panthers  WR  Marqise Lee

    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     

     
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    Here's the mock to NE's pick, a list of who I have as possible 1st round talent let for NE.  

    1 Texans QB Blake Bortles

    2 Rams OT Jake Mathews

    3 Jaguars WR Sammy Watkins

    4 Browns WR Mike Evans

    5 Raiders DE Jadeveon Clowney

    6 Falcons OT Greg Robinson

    7 Buccaneers LB Khalil Mack

    8 Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater

    9 Bills        OT Taylor Lewan

    10 Lions   S   Hasean Clinton-Dix

    11 Titans CB  Darqueze Dennard

    12   Giants DE  Kony Ealy

    13  Rams S   Calvin Pryor

    14  Bears  TE  Eric Ebron

    15  Steelers CB   Justin Gilbert

    16  Cowboys LB   Anthony Barr

    17  Ravens  OT  Zack Martin

    18   Jets  CB    Jason Verrett

    19  Dolphins  OG   Su'a-Filo

    20  Cardinals  CB  Kyle Fuller

    21  Packers  ILB  C.J. Mosley

    22    Eagles  LB  Ryan Shazier

    23  Chiefs  NT  Louis Nix

    24  Bengals  DE  Dee Ford

    25  Chargers  CB  Bradley Roby

    26  Browns QB  Derek Carr

    27  Saints  OT  Cyrus Kouandjio

    28  Panthers  WR  Marqise Lee

    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     


    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

     
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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)

 
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    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     


    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    Why not drop back 8-9 places, get a extra pick and still pick from at least 7-8 of players you listed?

     
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    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     


    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    Why not drop back 8-9 places, get a extra pick and still pick from at least 7-8 of players you listed?



    On Pats pick?  I kind of agree with this, I know Hageman would help but how much better is he than other DTs, is he that huge of a margin better than say Tuitt or Kelcy Quarles?  

     
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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)



    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 

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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)



    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 



    Reasonable thinking. THough if they belive in a specific WR they may have to pull the trigger at 13.

     

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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

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    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)

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    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    I would rather have Aaron Murray than Manzel, rather take my chances with AJ McCarron and would say I like Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd over Bridgewater with a top 5 pick.  And a great WR makes an average QB a probowler. 

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 

    I think the margin of a watkins/evans to other WRs is that much, both are going to be top 10 picks.  

    And I knew this was going to be a "come on man" type mock lol


     
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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

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    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)

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    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    I would rather have Aaron Murray than Manzel, rather take my chances with AJ McCarron and would say I like Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd over Bridgewater with a top 5 pick.  And a great WR makes an average QB a probowler. 

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 

    I think the margin of a watkins/evans to other WRs is that much, both are going to be top 10 picks.  

    And I knew this was going to be a "come on man" type mock lol


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    Every mock is. At elast there's always going to be a guy who will do the "come on man"

    I actually think it's great that you are taking a very comprehensive view of the needs of other teams too. I don't know to what extreme you do it, but I always have respect for deep analysis.

    One question I have is whether you ahd looked at needs not just for this season but for the coming seasons. Specifically, have you considered whether the team has key contributors on their fourth year.  Keeping key talent can become very expensive, when they hit FA. 

    On the STL roster, there is Quinn - a fourth year guy. On the other hand, there is Clowney sitting at #2. Using the logic you articulated for why to pick Watkins early, could you not say also that there is a big difference between Clowney and whomever they can get at 13, so much so at 44? Actually, how do you think Clowney compares to any of the edge rushers picked up in the last year? 

    If I have to guess, the only circumstance that STL will not pick Clowney is if HOU picks him.

     

     

     
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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

    J.W. Walsh Ok S - a smaller QB in the mold of Brees with some scrambling potential but his main attibrute is he's smart with the football showing a high completion % and a low int %

    Travis Wilson Utah - one of the biggest QB's in the draft has a pretty good completion % , does an alright job limiting turn overs. His main attibrute is he's tough to bring down

    Jeff Driskel Florida - another big QB though not quite as tall as Wilson, he makes a lot of plays on his feet and is a dual threat scrambling QB. Not a great pocket passer but is accurate enough. Needs to make better decisions when to run and when to throw but he's a bigger version of RGIII and might end up being a top 10 QB next year but right now is a day 2 grade. His best attribute is his scrambling ability

    Kevin Hogan Stanford - Smart, accurate, with a very strong arm. He's the prototypical pocket passer you think of. His best attribute is his game smarts and accuracy.

    All these guys should fall into the top 50 range next year so if they decide to take a Rodgers approach next year they have some very good options.

     
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    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     


    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 



    Why not drop back 8-9 places, get a extra pick and still pick from at least 7-8 of players you listed?



    On Pats pick?  I kind of agree with this, I know Hageman would help but how much better is he than other DTs, is he that huge of a margin better than say Tuitt or Kelcy Quarles?  



    Exactly!

     
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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

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    My answer is YES.

    Mallett will cost more next year. Probably too much for a back up. 

    The problem is that, unlike in previous years, you now need a backup that can be groomed to be your starter in the next few years. Will TB play for four more years? Nobody knows. I think the worst thing that can happen for the Pats is to get caught with its pants down -- we suddently learn that TB cannot play anymore; and they go scrambling for a replacement. I think that lack of succession planning is how teams get bad fast.

    The aggressiveness that NEP has displayed this offseason is pretty uncharacteristic. To me it suggests they are looking to use up a mid-round pick on a QB.

     

     
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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

     

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    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)

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    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    I would rather have Aaron Murray than Manzel, rather take my chances with AJ McCarron and would say I like Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd over Bridgewater with a top 5 pick.  And a great WR makes an average QB a probowler. 

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 

    I think the margin of a watkins/evans to other WRs is that much, both are going to be top 10 picks.  

    And I knew this was going to be a "come on man" type mock lol


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    Every mock is. At elast there's always going to be a guy who will do the "come on man"

    I actually think it's great that you are taking a very comprehensive view of the needs of other teams too. I don't know to what extreme you do it, but I always have respect for deep analysis.

    One question I have is whether you ahd looked at needs not just for this season but for the coming seasons. Specifically, have you considered whether the team has key contributors on their fourth year.  Keeping key talent can become very expensive, when they hit FA. 

    On the STL roster, there is Quinn - a fourth year guy. On the other hand, there is Clowney sitting at #2. Using the logic you articulated for why to pick Watkins early, could you not say also that there is a big difference between Clowney and whomever they can get at 13, so much so at 44? Actually, how do you think Clowney compares to any of the edge rushers picked up in the last year? 

    If I have to guess, the only circumstance that STL will not pick Clowney is if HOU picks him.

     

     

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    I go team by team looking at a number of site, listing both current needs and have an idea of where they stand as a team.  Look at FA moves did they pickup starters who do they have already, and in some cases like Rams the division they play in.

    When you play 49rs, Seahawks and Cardinals they all have good defenses with at least an above average CB or multiple.  The ability to matchup on O without a WR for them it is not possible.  

    As a team a WR will make a bigger impact at this point than a DE because of how, take seattle, they wouldn't be able to just stack everything against the run because they don't respect any Rams WR, not even Tavon Austin because they jam him and knock him off his route.  There's not another guy there that demands attention.

    Not saying Watkins right now 1 n 1 will win against Sherman but gives them a true #1 teams will have plan for.  Just an example.

    Jags man that's a coin flip (see Alualu pick 2010) but they have been looking for a true #1 and Evans IMO is as good at Watkins or very close to it.  While they have other needs, they tried the QB before WR now I think the WR before QB works for them.  If they add say McCarron paired with Evans, I like that combination.

    Just a few on how I look at everything, I need a life though. I'm a NFL GM wanna b haha I usually sit for atleast 1 2 3 hours doing these.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

    J.W. Walsh Ok S - a smaller QB in the mold of Brees with some scrambling potential but his main attibrute is he's smart with the football showing a high completion % and a low int %

    Travis Wilson Utah - one of the biggest QB's in the draft has a pretty good completion % , does an alright job limiting turn overs. His main attibrute is he's tough to bring down

    Jeff Driskel Florida - another big QB though not quite as tall as Wilson, he makes a lot of plays on his feet and is a dual threat scrambling QB. Not a great pocket passer but is accurate enough. Needs to make better decisions when to run and when to throw but he's a bigger version of RGIII and might end up being a top 10 QB next year but right now is a day 2 grade. His best attribute is his scrambling ability

    Kevin Hogan Stanford - Smart, accurate, with a very strong arm. He's the prototypical pocket passer you think of. His best attribute is his game smarts and accuracy.

    All these guys should fall into the top 50 range next year so if they decide to take a Rodgers approach next year they have some very good options.



    I don't think either Murray or McCarron will be available for a Pats pick where it makes since to them to get a backup.

    Now if you guys remember what was said about Mallett, the drugs immaturity ect.

    Casey Pachall.  THere are some things, like with Mallett, they have to check off but arm strength height weight all check.  He could be had late if not as UDFA.

    Added:  2012 he led the nation in passer rating, has had troubles and I know everyone comes back to AH but I'm sure the same process they went through with Mallett they will do if Pachall is on their radar.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to seattlepat70's comment:

     

    My answer is YES.

    Mallett will cost more next year. Probably too much for a back up. 

    The problem is that, unlike in previous years, you now need a backup that can be groomed to be your starter in the next few years. Will TB play for four more years? Nobody knows. I think the worst thing that can happen for the Pats is to get caught with its pants down -- we suddently learn that TB cannot play anymore; and they go scrambling for a replacement. I think that lack of succession planning is how teams get bad fast.

    The aggressiveness that NEP has displayed this offseason is pretty uncharacteristic. To me it suggests they are looking to use up a mid-round pick on a QB.

     



    But the question is do they take one this year or do they hold off a year to where Mallett leaves via FA and they get their backup next year.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    On Tuitt

    http://www.chatsports.com/new-england-patriots/a/New-England-Patriots-2014-NFL-Draft-Prospects-Notre-Dame-DL-Stephon-Tuitt-is-a-athletic-freak-of-nature-just-bigger-2-9527496

    I like this guy more and more the closer we get to draft day.

     
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