***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

    J.W. Walsh Ok S - a smaller QB in the mold of Brees with some scrambling potential but his main attibrute is he's smart with the football showing a high completion % and a low int %

    Travis Wilson Utah - one of the biggest QB's in the draft has a pretty good completion % , does an alright job limiting turn overs. His main attibrute is he's tough to bring down

    Jeff Driskel Florida - another big QB though not quite as tall as Wilson, he makes a lot of plays on his feet and is a dual threat scrambling QB. Not a great pocket passer but is accurate enough. Needs to make better decisions when to run and when to throw but he's a bigger version of RGIII and might end up being a top 10 QB next year but right now is a day 2 grade. His best attribute is his scrambling ability

    Kevin Hogan Stanford - Smart, accurate, with a very strong arm. He's the prototypical pocket passer you think of. His best attribute is his game smarts and accuracy.

    All these guys should fall into the top 50 range next year so if they decide to take a Rodgers approach next year they have some very good options.

     
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    29  Patriots

    DL/LB Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan, RaShede Hageman, Stephon Tuitt, LB Kyle Van Noy

    WR/TE Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Allen Robinson, TE Jace Amaro, TE ASJ

    DBs S Deone Bucannon, CB Marcus Roberson

    OL OG David Yankey, OT Morgan Moses, OC Marcus Martin

    30  49ers

    31  Broncos

    32  Seahawks

     

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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

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    Why not drop back 8-9 places, get a extra pick and still pick from at least 7-8 of players you listed?

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    On Pats pick?  I kind of agree with this, I know Hageman would help but how much better is he than other DTs, is he that huge of a margin better than say Tuitt or Kelcy Quarles?  

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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

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    My answer is YES.

    Mallett will cost more next year. Probably too much for a back up. 

    The problem is that, unlike in previous years, you now need a backup that can be groomed to be your starter in the next few years. Will TB play for four more years? Nobody knows. I think the worst thing that can happen for the Pats is to get caught with its pants down -- we suddently learn that TB cannot play anymore; and they go scrambling for a replacement. I think that lack of succession planning is how teams get bad fast.

    The aggressiveness that NEP has displayed this offseason is pretty uncharacteristic. To me it suggests they are looking to use up a mid-round pick on a QB.

     

     
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    Wow, surprised by the first 5 picks. With a WR deep draft, do you see 2 gone before clowney? 

     

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    More the teams who are picking, both Jags and Rams are desperate for WR help and these two guys are supposed to be two the best prospects to come out.  For Rams in specific, they need to give Bradford that true #1.  The Jags, flip of a coin they are just a mess lol 

    But yes I think those two will go before Clown..ey  (btw, not a fan of his that might also have something to do with it)

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    I would argue that if you want to improve your passing game, you would address the QB position first (Unless you already have the QB).

    I would rather have Aaron Murray than Manzel, rather take my chances with AJ McCarron and would say I like Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd over Bridgewater with a top 5 pick.  And a great WR makes an average QB a probowler. 

    It does not matter if you think the remaining QBs are top 5 material. If you are JAX or CLE, you simply ahve to look at whether Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles is better than the QBs you carry. If yes, you have to pick a QB. 

    Also, STL has picks 2, 13 and 44. Withe depth at OL and WR, wouldn't it be more reasonable to think they go Clowney at 2, OT at 13 and WR at 44? 

    I think the margin of a watkins/evans to other WRs is that much, both are going to be top 10 picks.  

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    Every mock is. At elast there's always going to be a guy who will do the "come on man"

    I actually think it's great that you are taking a very comprehensive view of the needs of other teams too. I don't know to what extreme you do it, but I always have respect for deep analysis.

    One question I have is whether you ahd looked at needs not just for this season but for the coming seasons. Specifically, have you considered whether the team has key contributors on their fourth year.  Keeping key talent can become very expensive, when they hit FA. 

    On the STL roster, there is Quinn - a fourth year guy. On the other hand, there is Clowney sitting at #2. Using the logic you articulated for why to pick Watkins early, could you not say also that there is a big difference between Clowney and whomever they can get at 13, so much so at 44? Actually, how do you think Clowney compares to any of the edge rushers picked up in the last year? 

    If I have to guess, the only circumstance that STL will not pick Clowney is if HOU picks him.

     

     

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    I go team by team looking at a number of site, listing both current needs and have an idea of where they stand as a team.  Look at FA moves did they pickup starters who do they have already, and in some cases like Rams the division they play in.

    When you play 49rs, Seahawks and Cardinals they all have good defenses with at least an above average CB or multiple.  The ability to matchup on O without a WR for them it is not possible.  

    As a team a WR will make a bigger impact at this point than a DE because of how, take seattle, they wouldn't be able to just stack everything against the run because they don't respect any Rams WR, not even Tavon Austin because they jam him and knock him off his route.  There's not another guy there that demands attention.

    Not saying Watkins right now 1 n 1 will win against Sherman but gives them a true #1 teams will have plan for.  Just an example.

    Jags man that's a coin flip (see Alualu pick 2010) but they have been looking for a true #1 and Evans IMO is as good at Watkins or very close to it.  While they have other needs, they tried the QB before WR now I think the WR before QB works for them.  If they add say McCarron paired with Evans, I like that combination.

    Just a few on how I look at everything, I need a life though. I'm a NFL GM wanna b haha I usually sit for atleast 1 2 3 hours doing these.

     
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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

    J.W. Walsh Ok S - a smaller QB in the mold of Brees with some scrambling potential but his main attibrute is he's smart with the football showing a high completion % and a low int %

    Travis Wilson Utah - one of the biggest QB's in the draft has a pretty good completion % , does an alright job limiting turn overs. His main attibrute is he's tough to bring down

    Jeff Driskel Florida - another big QB though not quite as tall as Wilson, he makes a lot of plays on his feet and is a dual threat scrambling QB. Not a great pocket passer but is accurate enough. Needs to make better decisions when to run and when to throw but he's a bigger version of RGIII and might end up being a top 10 QB next year but right now is a day 2 grade. His best attribute is his scrambling ability

    Kevin Hogan Stanford - Smart, accurate, with a very strong arm. He's the prototypical pocket passer you think of. His best attribute is his game smarts and accuracy.

    All these guys should fall into the top 50 range next year so if they decide to take a Rodgers approach next year they have some very good options.



    I don't think either Murray or McCarron will be available for a Pats pick where it makes since to them to get a backup.

    Now if you guys remember what was said about Mallett, the drugs immaturity ect.

    Casey Pachall.  THere are some things, like with Mallett, they have to check off but arm strength height weight all check.  He could be had late if not as UDFA.

    Added:  2012 he led the nation in passer rating, has had troubles and I know everyone comes back to AH but I'm sure the same process they went through with Mallett they will do if Pachall is on their radar.

     
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    My answer is YES.

    Mallett will cost more next year. Probably too much for a back up. 

    The problem is that, unlike in previous years, you now need a backup that can be groomed to be your starter in the next few years. Will TB play for four more years? Nobody knows. I think the worst thing that can happen for the Pats is to get caught with its pants down -- we suddently learn that TB cannot play anymore; and they go scrambling for a replacement. I think that lack of succession planning is how teams get bad fast.

    The aggressiveness that NEP has displayed this offseason is pretty uncharacteristic. To me it suggests they are looking to use up a mid-round pick on a QB.

     

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    But the question is do they take one this year or do they hold off a year to where Mallett leaves via FA and they get their backup next year.

     
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    On Tuitt

    http://www.chatsports.com/new-england-patriots/a/New-England-Patriots-2014-NFL-Draft-Prospects-Notre-Dame-DL-Stephon-Tuitt-is-a-athletic-freak-of-nature-just-bigger-2-9527496

    I like this guy more and more the closer we get to draft day.

     
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    My answer is YES.

    Mallett will cost more next year. Probably too much for a back up. 

    The problem is that, unlike in previous years, you now need a backup that can be groomed to be your starter in the next few years. Will TB play for four more years? Nobody knows. I think the worst thing that can happen for the Pats is to get caught with its pants down -- we suddently learn that TB cannot play anymore; and they go scrambling for a replacement. I think that lack of succession planning is how teams get bad fast.

    The aggressiveness that NEP has displayed this offseason is pretty uncharacteristic. To me it suggests they are looking to use up a mid-round pick on a QB.

     

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    But the question is do they take one this year or do they hold off a year to where Mallett leaves via FA and they get their backup next year.

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    Really depends on how deep you think next year's QB class will be compared to this year's. 

    Every year, there will be 4-5 QB-needy teams. How good is next year's 6th- or 7th-ranked QB this year? Can't tell for sure, but I can say that it is very unlikely. Going back 20 years, how often did we see a McCarron-caliber QB being available in the third round? 

    Unless you are willing to throw a high pick on a QB next year, you probably won't get a better value on potential starter than this year.

     
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    On Tuitt

    http://www.chatsports.com/new-england-patriots/a/New-England-Patriots-2014-NFL-Draft-Prospects-Notre-Dame-DL-Stephon-Tuitt-is-a-athletic-freak-of-nature-just-bigger-2-9527496

    I like this guy more and more the closer we get to draft day.

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    There is a good likelihood that Hageman and Tuitt are available. To me I prefer Tuitt.

    You could gamble that Hageman has a higher upside. Likely though, you won; see that upside come into fruition for at least a year, maybe two. 

    I think Tuitt is more ready to play now. I would not say the kid has a low upside.

     
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    I think they'll trade down ultimatly.. My favorite player in this draft is Kelcy Quarles.. I think that the DT class is pretty weak, but that being said it doesn't mean they can't find talent there early on and hit.. I just think it would be better for us value wise to trade our first pick and draft a DT in the later rounds. 

     
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    ^ I think we have been talking Tuitt, Hageman, Nix for months.  They about the same to me. 

     
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    ^ I think we have been talking Tuitt, Hageman, Nix for months.  They about the same to me. 

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    Not to me.

    If they're looking for a long term replacement for VW, it's Nix or D Jones.

    If they they change their DL philosophy to a more of a penetrating interior D, then I would go Quarles or Donald, maybe Jernigan.

    If they are looking for a 34 DE who could also play inside 43, that would be Tuitt.

    If they are looking for  a 34 DE specialist then I add Hageman to the mix.

    I think that's right.

     
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    I think they'll trade down ultimatly.. 

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    Chances of getting good value is getting better.

    HOU got Fitz, perhaps indicating they will not take a QB. If CLE, JAX and/or OAK, also do not take QBs, it just postpones the inevitable run for QBs. Perhaps that run happens in the late first round, making the 29 pick a viable trade bait.

    That would make PE happy - additional picks in the second, third or fourth.

     
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    I live in fear that BB will blow our minds again and use 29 on someone like Storm Johnson or Prince Shembo, someone none of us saw. He loves to validate his genius that way.

     
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    I live in fear that BB will blow our minds again and use 29 on someone like Storm Johnson or Prince Shembo, someone none of us saw. He loves to validate his genius that way.

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    I actually like Storm... in the third.

     
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    ^ I think we have been talking Tuitt, Hageman, Nix for months.  They about the same to me. 

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    Not to me.

    If they're looking for a long term replacement for VW, it's Nix or D Jones.

    If they they change their DL philosophy to a more of a penetrating interior D, then I would go Quarles or Donald, maybe Jernigan.

    If they are looking for a 34 DE who could also play inside 43, that would be Tuitt.

    If they are looking for  a 34 DE specialist then I add Hageman to the mix.

    I think that's right.

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    The impact of every player you named is about the same no matter what is being employed.  Is Tuitt playing as a 43 DE  significantly superior to Hageman playing a 34DE or vice versa?   Is Nix a significant upgrade over Jones?  I agree they have certain positions Nix as a replacement for VW, but don't see a major difference in talent between Nix, Tuitt or Hageman.

     
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    My bad. I was thinking of C Stork. 

    Storm who?

     
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    ^ I think we have been talking Tuitt, Hageman, Nix for months.  They about the same to me. 

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    Not to me.

    If they're looking for a long term replacement for VW, it's Nix or D Jones.

    If they they change their DL philosophy to a more of a penetrating interior D, then I would go Quarles or Donald, maybe Jernigan.

    If they are looking for a 34 DE who could also play inside 43, that would be Tuitt.

    If they are looking for  a 34 DE specialist then I add Hageman to the mix.

    I think that's right.

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    The impact of every player you named is about the same no matter what is being employed.  Is Tuitt playing as a 43 DE  significantly superior to Hageman playing a 34DE or vice versa?   Is Nix a significant upgrade over Jones?  I agree they have certain positions Nix as a replacement for VW, but don't see a major difference in talent between Nix, Tuitt or Hageman.

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    I agree on talent. My point is they will assess fit for need.

     
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    ^ I think we have been talking Tuitt, Hageman, Nix for months.  They about the same to me. 

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    Not to me.

    If they're looking for a long term replacement for VW, it's Nix or D Jones.

    If they they change their DL philosophy to a more of a penetrating interior D, then I would go Quarles or Donald, maybe Jernigan.

    If they are looking for a 34 DE who could also play inside 43, that would be Tuitt.

    If they are looking for  a 34 DE specialist then I add Hageman to the mix.

    I think that's right.

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    The impact of every player you named is about the same no matter what is being employed.  Is Tuitt playing as a 43 DE  significantly superior to Hageman playing a 34DE or vice versa?   Is Nix a significant upgrade over Jones?  I agree they have certain positions Nix as a replacement for VW, but don't see a major difference in talent between Nix, Tuitt or Hageman.

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    I agree on talent. My point is they will assess fit for need.

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    Absolutely!

     
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    Well, now that my bracket has completely disintegrated, I can't wait for the draft.

     
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    There is a downside to having the teams at the top of the order not pick QBs early. They will pick up non-QBs, including DLs. 

     
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    So is there any question that BB will either draft or sign Rutgers S Jeremy Deering as an URFA?  Listed at 6-2 200 and is listed as running a 4.33 40 with a 6.78 3C, 10-6 broad jump and 33.5 vert at his pro day.  No confirmed height/weight or SS #'s.

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    Sounds like a BB guy to me. From Rutgers, great 3 cone, from Rutgers, runs a fast 40, from Rutgers, and good sized. lol, an entire S core of Rutgers players now that funny.

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    And then there's this, haha:

    Scott Porter: What are your greatest strengths?

     Jeremy Deering: I believe that my greatest strength is my ability to make a quick adjustment when a situation arises. Being a smart football player and having experiences from playing multiple positions.

    http://www.newerascouting.com/2014/02/15/2014-draft-interview-jeremy-deering-s-rutgers/

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    Forget a UDFA, here's our 2nd round pick fella's. Well that's one round down

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    No way bb takes this kid in round 2. There I said it..lol, it will happen.

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    And I just added my "Deering #28" jersey to cart at the Patriots Online ProShop, so it better happen!

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    you guys are cracking me up.

     
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    Interesting comparsions on TEs: Does NE draft an Athletic TE or Traditional TE?

    2014 TE Prospects: Analyzing Athleticism

    Eric Ebron is the consensus #1 TE prospect, but he’s joined by a few others in the discussion for the “Best Athlete” at the position (Photo: US Presswire)

    By Marc Sluis, Staff Writer (nepatriotsdraft.com)

    The tight end position has endured a paradigm shift in recent years evolving from an athletically limited, run blocking specialist to a hybrid receiver with the separation skills of a wide out and the size of a tight end. With Rob Gronkowski being unreliable in terms of staying healthy the Pats could very well decide to supplement his elite skill set with someone who would complement as well as fill in for the man we call Gronk.

     

    The NFL Scouting Combine developed as a central location for evaluators to convene and, well, evaluate future NFL talent. There are multiple drills, tests, medical checks and grueling interviews designed to analyze everything about a prospect and whether or not he’s worth the million dollar investment.

    Ask those in the know and they’ll tell you the medical checks are the most crucial. Just take how Cyrus Kouandjio’s stock has taken such a bit hit after several team doctors failed his medical check (complications from a knee surgery). That being said most of us aren’t doctors and most of us would rather watch prospects run and jump as its much more entertaining. Unless of course you’re a House junkie I guess.

    But how exactly do we judge a prospect’s potential based on the information we gather at the combine? To be honest a lot of what’s televised and reported is for show. I mean does an offensive lineman ever run 40 yards in a straight line? However, it does give you a picture of his overall athleticism, movement skills and coordination. In fact the combine is built to do just that: gauge athleticism. There is a clear distinction between athleticism and skill. Skill refers to the acquired or learned abilities you can actively practice, improve and eventually master. An example of a football skill would be for a running back to carry the ball high and tight, an offensive lineman to execute a proper cut block or for a quarterback to master a seven step drop. All those skills are vital to being successful at the NFL level, but to be elite it requires talent.

    Talent is the inherent raw ability to jump higher and run faster than the competition. Although yes its possible to “learn” to run faster through technique and practice, but everyone is limited by their genes. And you certainly can’t learn to be taller. So, let’s focus on the main aspect the combine helps to evaluate. Talent. Every position needs a different type of athleticism. Height is great, especially for receivers who need to attack the ball at its highest point, but interior offensive linemen lose leverage at anything over 6’5 or so.

    The list is predominantly based on pure measureables and combine results with what is seen on tape as a lesser component. It tries to find not the best overall athlete but who has the best set of physical traits to play the tight end position.

     

    Colt Lyerla, Oregon Size: B Explosiveness: A+ Speed: A Agility: B+ Overall: A   Lyerla has clear first round talent, but sever off field red flags that will push his stock to the mid to late round range. Some teams will even take him off their boards completely. My opinion matters little but I’d be awfully cautious with someone who is a threat to be taken off the field not for his play but decision making between games. Athletically speaking he’s special and a prototype “F” tight end who acts as a gloried wide receiver split outside, in the slot and even in the backfield.   His vertical and broad jumps demonstrate the lower body explosion to get up for the ball in the red zone, but its his speed and toughness that make him a weapon in the middle of the field. While not the strongest at the position (his 15 reps will scare teams) he is tough to bring down after the catch and has the speed to run away from linebackers and even safeties.  

    AC Leonard, Tennessee St. Size: B- Explosiveness: A- Speed: A+ Agility: B Overall: A-   The other talented tight end prospect with major character issues doesn’t get the buzz Lyerla does but the situations are relatively similar. Leonard was booted off the Florida Gators (officially a mutual decision) and received a second chance in the form of Ohio Valley Conference football.   At that level he looked out of place at times using great speed, long arms and the skill set of a receiver to overmatch defenders. Leonard was never considered a prospect the caliber of Lyerla but does offer a hybrid receiver option to teams willing to overlook or come to terms with what he reportedly did to his girlfriend.    

    Troy Niklas, Notre Dame Size: A+ Explosiveness: B Speed: B Agility: B Overall: A-   On paper Niklas is the ideal tight end prospect. 6’6 270 lb with big hands, long arms and a well proportioned frame are what you’d use to create the ultimate tight end in Madden. On the field he’s not too shabby either if untested. He’s widely considered the best blocking prospect along with CJ Fiedorowicz but offers far greater potential than CJF both as a blocker but more so as a pass catcher. He looked natural running routes but there isn’t the body of work as a receiver that’d you would see with guys like Ebron, Amaro or even Seferian-Jenkins.   Finding a true two way tight end is something so difficult most teams give up and keep two distinctly different players on the roster. One to primarily block and anther to be a pass catcher. Then again, you can take a dual threat like Gronk and pair him with just about anyone to create a dynamic duo. The fact that the Pats have such a rare commodity would suggest a speedier, hybrid type would fit better next to Gronk. However, Gronkowski has struggled to stay healthy and adding a tremendous blocking prospect who can also get open and abuse defenders in the red zone to play WITH Gronk would be tough to pass up.    

    Eric Ebron, North Carolina Size: B+ Explosiveness: A- Speed: A Agility: A- Overall: A-   Ebron is hardly a tight end, although nowadays that hardly matters and can even be a complement. The Tar Heel actually has some decent functional strength and might have more upside as a blocker than some people think. His top ten overall status is build entirely on his athletic ability and prowess as a pass catcher.   He might be undersized as a tight end but split out wide his 6’4 250 lb body will be a flagrant mismatch against any corner or safety and his 4.60 speed will be no match for linebackers. That skill set would seem to complement the Pats current cast on offense but there is no chance he’s a Patriots unless a deal is done. His vertical was much less impressive than expected but he shows much better explosion and leaping ability on tape and that is a much more important piece of data.    

    Marcel Jenson, Fresno St. Size: A+ Explosiveness: B+ Speed: B- Agility: B Overall: B+   A tight end is a mismatch either because of his size or athleticism. Jenson is the prior but does show some sleeper athletic ability with a 35 inch vertical. Height and arm length are certainly elite for the former Fresno St. Bulldog and his big hands (a tad less than 10”) unite to build a red zone monster in the making.   In Tim DeRuyter’s quick spread attack Jenson had very little opportunity to be the possession style receiver teams that draft him will mold him into. As evidenced by his average 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill results he is not the quickest or fastest guy in a straight line or changing directions smoothly. But he does have some linear explosion and gives his quarterback plenty of room for error as his catch radius is as high as anyone.    

    Jace Amaro, Texas A&M Size: B+ Explosiveness: B+ Speed: B+ Agility: B Overall: B+   Amaro is a better player than he showed in Indy and by all accounts he improved upon his results at his Pro Day. I do like that he measured the at the same size as Fiedorowicz when Amaro’s size was not considered a plus.   He also confirmed his lanky frame you see on tape with 34 inch arms but his 9” hands are a red flag. Teams will surely question whether or not he’ll be able to squeeze the ball when contested but his game is more of a receiver running in space and exploiting any team foolish enough to match up a linebacker on him. His agility results were average but tape tells a different story. I’ve mocked Amaro to New England a few times, but that is not a pick I’d chose again.    

    CJ Fiedorowicz, Iowa Size: B+ Explosiveness: B Speed: B Agility: B+ Overall: B   CJ Fiedorowicz is not known for his athleticism so his combine results were a little surprising. CFJ is known for his run blocking and would allow teams to employ an almost extinct species: the in-line blocking tight end. Not that he’ll ever be a major receiving threat but he has big strong hands and underrated foot quickness and agility.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    Per Tony Pauline, 20 Mar,

    Tight end Marcel Jensen timed between 4.77s and 4.83s in the forty, also posting a short shuttle mark of 4.45s. Jensen, who looks the part, ran good routes and caught the ball well. The big tight end met with the New England Patriots last night.

     
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    Re: ***2014 PATRIOTS DRAFT THREAD***

    In response to PatsEng's comment:
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    So with the recent pick up of Fitz by Hou and Oak trading for Hou's old QB it's looking increasing more realistic that we are holding on to Mallett for another year. If true, would you guys still be interested in a Murray or McCarron? With our current holes I'm not sure I'd use a 3rd or 4th on either right now unless Mallett wasn't on the team so I started looking at potential 2015 QB's and here's what I came up with:

    J.W. Walsh Ok S - a smaller QB in the mold of Brees with some scrambling potential but his main attibrute is he's smart with the football showing a high completion % and a low int %

    Travis Wilson Utah - one of the biggest QB's in the draft has a pretty good completion % , does an alright job limiting turn overs. His main attibrute is he's tough to bring down

    Jeff Driskel Florida - another big QB though not quite as tall as Wilson, he makes a lot of plays on his feet and is a dual threat scrambling QB. Not a great pocket passer but is accurate enough. Needs to make better decisions when to run and when to throw but he's a bigger version of RGIII and might end up being a top 10 QB next year but right now is a day 2 grade. His best attribute is his scrambling ability

    Kevin Hogan Stanford - Smart, accurate, with a very strong arm. He's the prototypical pocket passer you think of. His best attribute is his game smarts and accuracy.

    All these guys should fall into the top 50 range next year so if they decide to take a Rodgers approach next year they have some very good options.

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    That'd be quite the feat if Driskel was drafted by NE... as he was also drafted by and signed with, the Boston Red Sox.

     

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