3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    They haven't been blown out that's for sure. Everyone else but Atlanta has this year. They are a few plays away from 6-0 and haven't got on track yet. Watch out when they do.

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    Yeah sporter but at the same time we haven't beaten a team with a winning record since 2010

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

    Bunker... You're speculating about who is running this offense .  Putting it all on Brady shows your bias. 

    My point which seems obvious if you conclude coaches coach and players execute.  Coaches call the plays because they see more from above than the QB.  Brady makes the decision to throw where so he has some responsibility ... Maybe 40% or so and it seems clear he doesn't  see the whole field like he used to.  That said how much of that is trying to execute a play that is being defended well because the D is waiting for it...?

    Bottom line , where this team goes from here is  dependent on everyone evolving to break from many of the tendencies other teams are keying on. .. And start preying aggressively  on the tendencies of opponents .  Most of that is coaching better and gameplanning. 

    McDaniels and Patricia have to step up and not be afraid to change what isn't working. No excuse for 4 and out at end of Seattle game , or braincramp pass D in that game.  These guys need some confidence to play with some swagger.  It's an attitude adjustment to go with the strategic changes.

    I really hope this team hasn't been beaten down by these bad beats as much as the fans.

      

     

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

    In response to coolade2's comment:
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    Bunker... You're speculating about who is running this offense .  Putting it all on Brady shows your bias. 

    My point which seems obvious if you conclude coaches coach and players execute.  Coaches call the plays because they see more from above than the QB.  Brady makes the decision to throw where so he has some responsibility ... Maybe 40% or so and it seems clear he doesn't  see the whole field like he used to.  That said how much of that is trying to execute a play that is being defended well because the D is waiting for it...?

    Bottom line , where this team goes from here is  dependent on everyone evolving to break from many of the tendencies other teams are keying on. .. And start preying aggressively  on the tendencies of opponents .  Most of that is coaching better and gameplanning. 

    McDaniels and Patricia have to step up and not be afraid to change what isn't working. No excuse for 4 and out at end of Seattle game , or braincramp pass D in that game.  These guys need some confidence to play with some swagger.  It's an attitude adjustment to go with the strategic changes.

    I really hope this team hasn't been beaten down by these bad beats as much as the fans.

      

     

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    Hmmm..... severely over throwing an open receiver? Underthrowing an open receiver? Intentional grounding IN THE FREAKIN' END ZONE??? Guess it's all good if the completion is made and the play results in a huge gain and/or score, right? If not, it's the coaches. Glad to know that coaching and game planning will resolve all player in game performance issues.

    When players don't execute, it's due to one of the following:

    - not the right "player" for the given situation(s)

    - the player(s) didn't "get it" down right in practice

    - the player(s) haven't got the skill sets to make the play work

    - the player(s) can't be coached

    But, with this being said, where's any credit for the opposing team/coaches? Think that there is a slight possiility that they can either see a trend and stop it? Or, make in game changes to eventually stop something from re-occuring? How about somethung as simple as an opposing player being in the right place at the right time (unfortunately for Pats fans)?  Naw! Can NEVER give credit to the other guys, especially the coaching staff!  

    I got it all squared away now. Thanks!

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    But, with this being said, where's any credit for the opposing team/coaches? Think that there is a slight possiility that they can either see a trend and stop it? Or, make in game changes to eventually stop something from re-occuring? How about somethung as simple as an opposing player being in the right place at the right time (unfortunately for Pats fans)?  Naw! Can NEVER give credit to the other guys, especially the coaching staff!  

    I got it all squared away now. Thanks!

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    Don't you realize that the Patriots have the greatest coach of all time and he does not make mistakes it is just the players that are the problem, or the play calling of the offensive coordinator (never mind that BB hires the OC and I am sure he does not get carte blanche on how he runs the offense).

    BB has been outcoached twice in the Super Bowl by Coughlin. He was outcoached by Carroll this last weekend. The Seahawks held the Patriots to 10 points below their season average while the Patriots allowed Seattle to score a 7 point above theirs.

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    Bunker... You're speculating about who is running this offense .  Putting it all on Brady shows your bias. 

    My point which seems obvious if you conclude coaches coach and players execute.  Coaches call the plays because they see more from above than the QB.  Brady makes the decision to throw where so he has some responsibility ... Maybe 40% or so and it seems clear he doesn't  see the whole field like he used to.  That said how much of that is trying to execute a play that is being defended well because the D is waiting for it...?

    Bottom line , where this team goes from here is  dependent on everyone evolving to break from many of the tendencies other teams are keying on. .. And start preying aggressively  on the tendencies of opponents .  Most of that is coaching better and gameplanning. 

    McDaniels and Patricia have to step up and not be afraid to change what isn't working. No excuse for 4 and out at end of Seattle game , or braincramp pass D in that game.  These guys need some confidence to play with some swagger.  It's an attitude adjustment to go with the strategic changes.

    I really hope this team hasn't been beaten down by these bad beats as much as the fans.

      

     

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    Hmmm..... severely over throwing an open receiver? Underthrowing an open receiver? Intentional grounding IN THE FREAKIN' END ZONE??? Guess it's all good if the completion is made and the play results in a huge gain and/or score, right? If not, it's the coaches. Glad to know that coaching and game planning will resolve all player in game performance issues.

    When players don't execute, it's due to one of the following:

    - not the right "player" for the given situation(s)

    - the player(s) didn't "get it" down right in practice

    - the player(s) haven't got the skill sets to make the play work

    - the player(s) can't be coached

    But, with this being said, where's any credit for the opposing team/coaches? Think that there is a slight possiility that they can either see a trend and stop it? Or, make in game changes to eventually stop something from re-occuring? How about somethung as simple as an opposing player being in the right place at the right time (unfortunately for Pats fans)?  Naw! Can NEVER give credit to the other guys, especially the coaching staff!  

    I got it all squared away now. Thanks!

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    if you read my post before you started on your sarcastic whiny rant you would see that I stated 40% of responsibility goes with Brady . 

    Giving credit to the other coaches is the same as being out coached.  Thanks for making my point.

    So your point  is its all on the players or mostly on the players.  you're right again ...  Maybe if the coaches weren't  so overmatched they would be in a position to play better and perhaps win a close game or two.

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

    Bunker... Understood Brady has  a lot of options at the line of scrimmage , but "carte blanche" would imply mcd is walking around talking to himself .  Mcd calls the plays according to a gameplan, Brady agrees then goes through his options... Do you think  plays like reverses or screens just pop into Bradys head after getting  up from being drilled by a blitzing LB...?  Look it's just not logistically possible with the complexity of today NFL ... 

    that guys article was just glorifying the mastery these QB s display like no other but here's the news flash... Half of the calls he shouts are bluffs to throw off the defense and the play is run according to the call from the sidelines .

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    Bunker... Understood Brady has  a lot of options at the line of scrimmage , but "carte blanche" would imply mcd is walking around talking to himself .  Mcd calls the plays according to a gameplan, Brady agrees then goes through his options... Do you think  plays like reverses or screens just pop into Bradys head after getting  up from being drilled by a blitzing LB...?  Look it's just not logistically possible with the complexity of today NFL ... 

    that guys article was just glorifying the mastery these QB s display like no other but here's the news flash... Half of the calls he shouts are bluffs to throw off the defense and the play is run according to the call from the sidelines .

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    WHen I say carte blanche, I mean he has the final choice within the gameplan. But, it's also possible McDaniels is also conceding to Brady just like O'Brien did.

    You act like it's not possible that BB and McDaniels don't try to get a feel for Brady wants to do and what he sees as the QB. Of course they do. Brady isn't a young QB here.

    What do you mean by "bluffs"?  Brady gets 2 calls into his headset, minimum, and then expects everyone in the huddle to be ready to move to a different play.

    So, yeah, it's up to him to pick the right one at the right time, have a feel for the flow of the game, etc.  Why are you jumping through hoops to deflect from such facts?

    If Brady has that much power during games, then yeah, he needs to also accept the responsibility when he's just not very good, basically setting the stage to lose games like we saw on Sunday.

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    Right junior. BB is going to let Brady be HC instead of him. Brilliant. Prove it, or zip it.

     
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    So Brady has 2 options while mcd has the entire playbook... Lets see.  Who would have more opportunity to control the offense?

    I say that because this team needs the entire playbook to create the ability to spread the ball around . Run a play just to put athought in the mind of the D.

    That's  what Weis did.  It's a chess match literally .  Brady is the king somewhat immobile but essential to the victory. Receivers are the bishops slashing through the field.  Ends are rooks , linemen are pawns and the queen is the running back who can do it all.

    Needed is an OC with the creativity and brilliance to make the moves in spite of the BB influence. 

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

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    McDaniels, but if any of our OCs are granting Brady the shotgun spread offense to appease Brady/make him more comfortable (keep in mind Brady said in 2010 that he prefers being in the shotgun) in a tough road situation for example, then Brady is the one sort of controlling the style of offense they use.

    Are you really having this hard a time understanding this as a possibility?

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    Why on earth would any Pats fan want to limit the capabilities and full playbook of this loaded offense?

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    I totally agree that may be part of the problem, but who is in charge of this team, Brady or BB. Do you think McDaniels is doing things that Belichick thinks are a bad idea just to make Brady happy? 

    Do you really think that offensive game plan does not have BB approval? If it has his approval and he is the head coach don't any offensive issues also come back to him?

     
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    it would  be nice to see a gameplan that is all about throwing to either Ridley or Bolden out of the backfield .  This is something we haven't seen much of but Faulk did it even Dillon did it.  having a back as a true pass/run threat will be a huge headache for defenses to deal with.

    This offense should add a new dimension like this every week  while maintaining  its core capabilities .  how can a defense defend everything ? Make their heads spin.

     

     
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    it would  be nice to see a gameplan that is all about throwing to either Ridley or Bolden out of the backfield .  This is something we haven't seen much of but Faulk did it even Dillon did it.  having a back as a true pass/run threat will be a huge headache for defenses to deal with.

    This offense should add a new dimension like this every week  while maintaining  its core capabilities .  how can a defense defend everything ? Make their heads spin. 

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    Because it is just not that simple. Great defenses can defend multiple things. This is why great defenses can still beat great offenses.

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

    Look at winning drive for FG in SB 36 in 01... Thro to back, throw to back, throw to back ,  throw -away( outside the pocket, blitz).  Throw to t.brown behind linebackers, throw to TE, spike.

    in that sequence , there was strategy.  3 throws to back got drive started with positive yardage.  But also got LBs to creep up a little . After the game ,Brady talked about the importance of getting "something " on the first play... Why did he say that? Coaching ?

    then the throw behind LBs to brown . Then to Wiggins . Spread the ball around strategically, short, long , in ,out left right , different guys.

    where was that on last drive against Seattle ? 4and out.

     
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    Re: 3 losses by 4 total pts....WTF, seriously

    For the short passes to backs to work, you've got to have backs that can (1) get to the outside quickly and (2) catch the ball.  That combination of quickness and catching ability hasn't been a prime strength of our backs recently.  That's why we rely so much on Hernandez for this type of pass.   

    The other thing to recognize is that teams have lots of film on Brady and the Pats' offense now.  It's not like 2001 when Brady was still new to the league and Belichick and Weis were just starting out with this offense.  Teams have had more than a decade to disect Brady's and the whole offense's strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies.  Teams have even drafted to counter the Pats' offense.  Things that worked well ten years ago may not work today.  The whole league has evolved, in part because they've had to adjust to the success the Pats have had.  

    Brady continues to be remarkably accurate for a QB and still makes very fast and mostly good decisions. Watch the Seattle game film if you've got it.  A huge percentage of Brady's passes (especially in the first half) are just fabulous plays where he recognizes the open receiver incredibly quickly and gets the ball to him often in extremely tight spaces.  It's just a fantastic display of QBing excellence.  Yes, later in the game, his accuracy was often less good--probably because of the wet ball and maybe fatigue setting in and the Seattle defense adjusting.  

    What you want late in the game is the defense to hold, so the offense doesn't have to keep the pedal to the metal.  We just don't have a defense that can do that, so the offense has to stay in high gear unless it's got a three score lead.  Burning the clock isn't really an option in most cases because (1) we still need to score and (2) our running game, while better, is still not dominant against good defenses. Ideally, Brady wouldn't be passing as much late in the fourth quarter. Ideally, however, the defense could also be relied on not to give up repeated 20+-yard pass receptions.  Until the latter occurs, however, the former is unfortunately a fact of life for the Pats. 

     
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