30 points is 30 points, but...

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    30 points is 30 points, but...

    ... they gave up a rare kickoff return for a touchdown.  Usually the Patriots' special teams are sharp and I don't see any reason why Spiller's touchdown is anything more than an aberration, especially consiering Gostowski's leg strength and hang time on kickoffs (underrated) and the general feeling that the Patriots don't give up too many kickoff returns for touchdowns.

    ... they also gave up three points on a field goal that should have been kicked from 10-15 yards back.  The Bills called two timeouts in a row, which is illegal.

    ... Mesko really kicked the pooch with his two 30-yard punts, so while it's bad to give up scoring drives, I'm going to say that under normal punting conditions the field goal drive would have been stopped short of field goal range

    Those are 13 easily fixable points.

    So while I'm concerned about the Patriots' defense and while I understand that the scoreboard doesn't lie, I don't see too many disastrous problems that can't be fixed as the season progresses and the young guys get more experience.
     
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    Hey! There's only 1 direction for this D to go!...and a flat-line is 1 direction, too!

     
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    [QUOTE]Back when we won Super Bowls, all NFL teams feared our defense.  We went into Indy, Pittsburgh, San Diego, and destroyed their offenses, shut them down, beat them down. Watch a DVD sometime. In 2010, we celebrate giving up "only" 30 points to a horrible Bills team in Foxboro.  And we make 100 excuses for why that was a really a good performance. Unreal.  It's sad how happy we are with complete mediocrity.
    Posted by John413[/QUOTE]

    It really is a damn shame that Belichick couldn't put together lights-out once-in-a-lifetime defenses for back-to-back decades. I say get rid of him. He should have kept Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Samuel, McGinnis, and Law. His ego is SO BIG because he let a bunch of 30-35 year old defenders go like that. WHAT NERVE! Who the hell needs youth when we have a gloried past and aging veterans to hang onto? GEEZ!

    WE FANS DESERVE BETTER!
     
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    Stoic resignation to the current situation doesn't dull the desire for future domination.  I think Don King said that?
     
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    Lest you all should forget, Bruschi was a 3rd down specialist at weakside linebacker before he became a key inside linebacker.  Vrabel was a bust and a journeyman before he became a key cog for us.  And believe it or not, that Brady guy wasn't exactly spectacular for his entire career.  His first couple years as a starter were remarkably mediocre.

    These rookies and second-year players aren't going to set the world ablaze immediately.  Very few young players do.  Give them time.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 30 points is 30 points, but... : How about Revis?  How was his rookie year?
    Posted by John413[/QUOTE]
    what about vernon gholston? how was his rookie year?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 30 points is 30 points, but... : How about Revis?  How was his rookie year?
    Posted by John413[/QUOTE]


    How was Jerod Mayos rookie year? Whats your point buddy?
     
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    [QUOTE]... they gave up a rare kickoff return for a touchdown.  Usually the Patriots' special teams are sharp and I don't see any reason why Spiller's touchdown is anything more than an aberration, especially consiering Gostowski's leg strength and hang time on kickoffs (underrated) and the general feeling that the Patriots don't give up too many kickoff returns for touchdowns. ... they also gave up three points on a field goal that should have been kicked from 10-15 yards back.  The Bills called two timeouts in a row, which is illegal. ... Mesko really kicked the pooch with his two 30-yard punts, so while it's bad to give up scoring drives, I'm going to say that under normal punting conditions the field goal drive would have been stopped short of field goal range Those are 13 easily fixable points. So while I'm concerned about the Patriots' defense and while I understand that the scoreboard doesn't lie, I don't see too many disastrous problems that can't be fixed as the season progresses and the young guys get more experience.
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188[/QUOTE]

    what about meriwether's coverage on spiller at the 5yd line. he botched that. spiller faked him, and blew by him for a TD
     
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    [QUOTE]Back when we won Super Bowls, all NFL teams feared our defense.  We went into Indy, Pittsburgh, San Diego, and destroyed their offenses, shut them down, beat them down. Watch a DVD sometime. In 2010, we celebrate giving up "only" 30 points to a horrible Bills team in Foxboro.  And we make 100 excuses for why that was a really a good performance. Unreal.  It's sad how happy we are with complete mediocrity.
    Posted by John413[/QUOTE]

    You seem to be the opposite of what you say other people are doing.  You insist on disaster where there is only some trouble.  They played well enough that we won.  The past?  It doesn't back you up. I also have those DVDs.  We were beaten BADLY by the Steelers in 2004.  Our defense gave up 34 points.  Looked AWFUL.  Crushed by the Bills 31-0 opening day 2003.  2001?  Don't even start.  Teams didn't "fear" our defense.  We only got respect (grudging) in 2004, after we proved all the analysts wrong twice.  Heck, we were a JOKE going into the AFC Championship in 2001.  They weren't scared.  That defense GOT a reputation by playing.  Let this defense play.  They will get there.
     
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    this is now an offensive league, plain and simple. the jets and dolphins both looked vulnerable on defense last night. the ravens looked vulnerable against the lowly browns. watch any game...nearly every deep pass gets a flag these days. ty law would have been called every single time. fans like the deep ball and the nfl has adjusted its rules accordingly. in today's nfl i would much rather have a dominant offense than a dominant D. our defense will be just good enough, and our offense will power us. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to 30 points is 30 points, but... : what about meriwether's coverage on spiller at the 5yd line. he botched that. spiller faked him, and blew by him for a TD
    Posted by kansaspatriot[/QUOTE]

    Merriweather and Arrington both botched the play, but it was also incredibly well-drawn.  Getting C.J. Spiller in the slot and motioning him behind Lee Evans puts a lot of stress on the edge of the defense.  I credit that to the Bills, but I don't necessarily hold that against the Patriots defense.  This is still the NFL and sometimes talented players and coaches on the other team do talented things.

    I'm much more concerned about some of the passes that were completed on third downs against the Pats.  Those are situations where it seems like someone dropped coverage when they shouldn't have and someone didn't quite get there in time to pick them up.  Tackling is also a concern - form tackling never hurt anyone, especially given the difficulty of forcing fumbles in the NFL.  I wouldn't mind seeing opposing receivers make a catch if they could just prevent yards after the catch.  You can't stop everything, but the Pats could do more to minimize the damage.

    On the plus side, the Pats' defense ran into each other and took each other out on a couple of the Bills' big plays (the 3rd-down conversion before the bomb where three Pats ran into each other and a Marshawn Lynch run).  I have to think that regardless of the complexities of the defense people will stop running into each other clumsily, a very simple fix to a couple of the big plays the Pats gave up.
     
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    Our defense would be alot better if they didnt miss so many tackles. It seems like opposing offenses gain close to a hundred yards a game because of them.
     
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    [QUOTE] I never said "get rid of BB", I never said "he should have kept Law!".  You're just throwing out crazy comments like that because you don't want to admit that our D has gone completely soft. Hopefully we'll get good players again someday, maybe 2011, 2012, 2013, who knows.  It's not 2010, that's all I know.
    Posted by John413[/QUOTE]


    Seems like that's been going on recently, where people try to put words in your mouth when you definitely didn't say/write it. Most of us in the "middle" haven't asked for a Brady trade or firing of BB................................yet....lol. Laughing
     
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    The reality is that the Pats defense is not very good right now.  Whether that is evolution and had to happen because rookies are breaking in is not the point.  They are not playing well yet.  Hopefully they will get much better this year.  The disappointing thing is that this is what we hoped last year.  Maybe it will take a few mediocre years and some first round picks instead of multiple late round picks.  Spiller would look good playing for us, wouldn't he?
     
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    The defense is poor but it will improve.  Will some of these first and second year players be top notch defenders?  Probably yes.  I'd say CHung is a sure thing, and it will be interesting to see how Spikes progresses.  Will some of them fail? Of course.  Butler is a mess right now.  It's a complete unknown if Brace will be player but last Sunday was a promissing start.  And who knows if Cunningham and,  dare I say it, Crable can be valuable contributors?

    I think it's important to remember we have seen this before.  In 2005 the two time defending champs started 4-4 with horrible losses AT HOME to Indy and SD.  People were calling for Duane Sparks' head and questioning whether Wilfork was worth a #1 draft choice.   The team finished 10-6, and it was the offense that collapsed in a Divisional round game in Denver, not the defense.

    If after week 6 the team is 3-2, then they are in pretty good shape. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 30 points is 30 points, but... : It really is a damn shame that Belichick couldn't put together lights-out once-in-a-lifetime defenses for back-to-back decades. I say get rid of him. He should have kept Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Samuel, McGinnis, and Law. His ego is SO BIG because he let a bunch of 30-35 year old defenders go like that. WHAT NERVE! Who the hell needs youth when we have a gloried past and aging veterans to hang onto? GEEZ! WE FANS DESERVE BETTER!
    Posted by apdynasty23[/QUOTE]

    Bruschi, Harrison, McG and Law are no longer in football. Seymour would never had been re-signed after the 2009 season and Asante can be deemed a mistake, but even Philly is having issues with him after paying him a shedload of money.

    Those are not reasons to get rid of BB. You should actually point to the draft 2005 through 2008 (low level draftees from 2008-2010) and veteran signings
    since 2005.

    Then you may actually have a point...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 30 points is 30 points, but... : Bruschi, Harrison, McG and Law are no longer in football. Seymour would never had been re-signed after the 2009 season and Asante can be deemed a mistake, but even Philly is having issues with him after paying him a shedload of money. Those are not reasons to get rid of BB. You should actually point to the draft 2005 through 2008 (low level draftees from 2008-2010) and veteran signings since 2005. Then you may actually have a point...
    Posted by Patriots1970[/QUOTE]

    Oh I was being sarcastic. Haha
     
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    man it smell like funky snacks up in hear. 
     
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    It's even simpler than any of you guys think:
    If the Patriots don't run into each other and prevent each other from making tackles, they give up 50 less yards.  It's the easiest fix in the book.

    Similarly, if Zoltan Mesko punts the ball 10 yards further, they give up 3 less points, and he's young so he needs time to gain experience.  He's probably already getting a hard enough time because of his placekicker duties and all the missed field goals (plus the delay of game penalty against the Jets).  Once Mesko settles in, the Pats will have better field position.

    And I refuse to believe that the kick return for a touchdown was anything oterh than an aberration.  They've only given up a couple in the entire Belichick era.
     

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