32 high draft picks over 7 years.

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    I dont care too much about draft picks. Its the free agents that have hurt this team the most in recent years. In terms of posters always pointing to BB finding undfrafted free agents to offset the busts...well EVERY team finds undrafted free agent players that can play. Remember us all being giddy about K.T.? myself included...I still like him...but.....

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    you know thats a really great point. i always seemed to applaud BB on finding good UDFA talent but there are all teams finding guys like that. now a new one: Da'Rick Rogers. i wanted us to draft him in the 5th-6th round but he had offield issues and didnt get picked. look at him now.



    Yea I actually thought Rogers was gonna be drafted no later than the 4th and would be a beast. I dont even know where he ende up. Is he doing good now and with what team.  He seemed the most NFL ready physically but I thought Stills was the best fit for us(5th round like Boyce)

    I just dont like when people use the UDFA for their argument as if no other team does it. There are gonna be more than the alloted 235 or whatever guys drafted that can play. What are there like a million college football programs?? Back in the day the draft went up higher. Some guys were drafted in the 12 round so why is it amazing now that those same drafted players are now NOT drafted? Its the same thing, just without the title of drafted and much less money

     
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    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.



         This tired, old argument fails to hold water. Here we go again:

    1.) 2006: BB used the 21st overall pick on RB Laurence Maroney, the 36th overall pick on WR Chad Jackson, and the 86th overall pick on TE David Thomas;

    2.) 2007: BB selected FS Brandon Meriweather at #24;

    3.) 2008: Selected LB Jerod Mayo at #10, the forgetable CB Terrence Wheatley at #62, the even more forgetable LB Shaun "Betty Grable" Crable at #78, and QB Kevin O'Connell at #94;

    4.) 2009: BB took SS Patrick Chung at #34, DT Ron Brace at #40, CB Darius Butler at #41, OT Sebastien Vollmer at #58, WR Brandon Tate at #83, and LB Tyrone McKenzie at #97;

    5.) 2010: Selected DB Devin McCourty at #27, TE Rob Gronkowski at #42, DE Jermaine Cunningham at #53, LB Brandon Spikes at #62, and WR Taylor Price at #90;

    6.) 2011: Took OT Nate Solder at #17, CB Ras-I Dowling at #33, RB Shane Vereen at #56, RB Stevan Ridley at #73, QB Ryan Mallett at #74;

    7.) 2012: BB selected DE Chandler Jones at #21, LB Dont'a Hightower at #25, the incomparable SS Tavon Wilson at #48, and Jake Bequette at #90;

    8.) 2013: The Pats drafted LB Jamie Collins at #52, WR Aaron Dobson at #59, CB Logan Ryan at #83, and SS Duron Harmon at #91.  

         It's unfair to judge the 2013 draft class after one year. But, from 2006-12, the Pats had seven (7) first round draft picks, 12 second round draft picks, and nine (9) third round picks. That's a grand total of 28 top 100 picks, over seven (7) years.

         Of the seven (7) first rounders, four (4) have become good players.

         Of the 12 second rounders, only Vollmer, Gronk, and Vereen have panned out.

         Of the nine (9) third rounders, only Stevan Ridley has contibuted.

         So...of these 28 top 100 picks, only eight have been worthwhile. That's just 29% hits, and a whopping 71% failures. Keep this in mind when you ask yourselves why the Patriots have gotten old at certain positions, and have been forced to comb the free agency scrap heap for players?   

     




    TPat: Thanks for the summary. How does the Patriot success/failure rate compare to other NFL teams? Surely someone has done an analysis.

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

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    I dont care too much about draft picks. Its the free agents that have hurt this team the most in recent years. In terms of posters always pointing to BB finding undfrafted free agents to offset the busts...well EVERY team finds undrafted free agent players that can play. Remember us all being giddy about K.T.? myself included...I still like him...but.....

    Marlon Brown sais Hi?  If you are not familiar,. you will be after sundays game.




    you know thats a really great point. i always seemed to applaud BB on finding good UDFA talent but there are all teams finding guys like that. now a new one: Da'Rick Rogers. i wanted us to draft him in the 5th-6th round but he had offield issues and didnt get picked. look at him now.



    Yea I actually thought Rogers was gonna be drafted no later than the 4th and would be a beast. I dont even know where he ende up. Is he doing good now and with what team.  He seemed the most NFL ready physically but I thought Stills was the best fit for us(5th round like Boyce)

    I just dont like when people use the UDFA for their argument as if no other team does it. There are gonna be more than the alloted 235 or whatever guys drafted that can play. What are there like a million college football programs?? Back in the day the draft went up higher. Some guys were drafted in the 12 round so why is it amazing now that those same drafted players are now NOT drafted? Its the same thing, just without the title of drafted and much less money



    since the Colts lost Wayne and they started stuggling so they picked him up... he's played two games but has been very productive right off the bat. first career game 100 and 2 TDs but his talents jumps oout

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

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    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.




    Are you taking into consideration that BB hasn't had to worry about finding a franchise QB for 12 years, while others have had to expend huge draft resources in search of that? Probably not. People tend to see only the things that bolster their point of view.

    That lament about not drafting at the top of the rounds is rather moot, since before the rookie wage scale, top 10 picks were a huge financial gamble against the cap.



    The good news is Babe feels superior to BB because he hasn't had a single draft bust since 1983 when he failed to sign Fred the Baker during his work's dunkin doughnuts employee football league which folded shortly due to rising costs when they tried to re-enact the snow plow game using flour and powdered sugar.

    The bad news is Babe is an arm chair pseudo fan who only finds time to pretend he's a patriots fan and look for ways to complain about the team, it's draft picks, ect versus focusing on the things the team has accomplished. If he was truly a fan, he'd compare these drafts and teams to the horrible drafts and teams of gm's past, and the drafts of other gm's in the nfl and know that while BB isn't perfect, and no GM truly is, he's doing a decent job, especially in recent years.

     

     
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    Win 1 super bowl = great team-builder
    Close runner-up in 2 SBs = poor team-builder
    I think I'm starting to get it.

     
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    Win 1 super bowl = great team-builder
    Close runner-up in 2 SBs = poor team-builder
    I think I'm starting to get it.




    Win 2 SBs with hot and cold QB = great team builder.

    Close runner up in 2 SBs in 8 years with best HC and QB in the game = mediocre team builder.

    Now you got it.

     
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    In response to jrmccook's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:

    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.




    Are you taking into consideration that BB hasn't had to worry about finding a franchise QB for 12 years, while others have had to expend huge draft resources in search of that? Probably not. People tend to see only the things that bolster their point of view.

    That lament about not drafting at the top of the rounds is rather moot, since before the rookie wage scale, top 10 picks were a huge financial gamble against the cap.



    The good news is Babe feels superior to BB because he hasn't had a single draft bust since 1983 when he failed to sign Fred the Baker during his work's dunkin doughnuts employee football league which folded shortly due to rising costs when they tried to re-enact the snow plow game using flour and powdered sugar.

    The bad news is Babe is an arm chair pseudo fan who only finds time to pretend he's a patriots fan and look for ways to complain about the team, it's draft picks, ect versus focusing on the things the team has accomplished. If he was truly a fan, he'd compare these drafts and teams to the horrible drafts and teams of gm's past, and the drafts of other gm's in the nfl and know that while BB isn't perfect, and no GM truly is, he's doing a decent job, especially in recent years.

     




    If you had a clue you would know that I say BB is an average GM. That fits in line with your hopes that people know "he's doing a decent job". Unfortunately, you've proven to be another poster of worthless drivel; so it's ignore time, otherwise I might start calling you a moron; and some people can't handle the truth.

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    In response to jrmccook's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:

    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.




    Are you taking into consideration that BB hasn't had to worry about finding a franchise QB for 12 years, while others have had to expend huge draft resources in search of that? Probably not. People tend to see only the things that bolster their point of view.

    That lament about not drafting at the top of the rounds is rather moot, since before the rookie wage scale, top 10 picks were a huge financial gamble against the cap.



    The good news is Babe feels superior to BB because he hasn't had a single draft bust since 1983 when he failed to sign Fred the Baker during his work's dunkin doughnuts employee football league which folded shortly due to rising costs when they tried to re-enact the snow plow game using flour and powdered sugar.

    The bad news is Babe is an arm chair pseudo fan who only finds time to pretend he's a patriots fan and look for ways to complain about the team, it's draft picks, ect versus focusing on the things the team has accomplished. If he was truly a fan, he'd compare these drafts and teams to the horrible drafts and teams of gm's past, and the drafts of other gm's in the nfl and know that while BB isn't perfect, and no GM truly is, he's doing a decent job, especially in recent years.

     




    If you had a clue you would know that I say BB is an average GM. That fits in line with your hopes that people know "he's doing a decent job". Unfortunately, you've proven to be another poster of worthless drivel; so it's ignore time, otherwise I might start calling you a moron; and some people can't handle the truth.


    what really sad Babe is the lack of understanding by some posters of just how great Brady(not you of course) really is.  The Pats success could only have been achieved by Mr. Brady.  Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers could never have accomplished what Brady has with Pats.

    BB would have been fired years ago if not for Brady, just like what happened in Cleveland.

     
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    Babe, I've enjoyed this thread becaue as always you tell it like it is. As a Christmas gift to all could you post a Benny watch thread? Because he has kind of been the forgotten man this year - he has quietly had a miserable season ranking at the bottom of most every catergory known to man.

    It wasn't long ago that the village idiot thought we should take the ball out of Brady's hands and put it into one of the most pathetically average runners in the NFL (and history is provig he is not even that).

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Babe, I've enjoyed this thread becaue as always you tell it like it is. As a Christmas gift to all could you post a Benny watch thread? Because he has kind of been the forgotten man this year - he has quietly had a miserable season ranking at the bottom of most every catergory known to man.

    It wasn't long ago that the village idiot thought we should take the ball out of Brady's hands and put it into one of the most pathetically average runners in the NFL (and history is provig he is not even that).



    Brady sucked, so what does that tell you? Benny is average, Brady sucks.  You said it.

    I would have rather have kept running the ball after the 1st drive in the 3rd qtr, but Brady sucked and choked.  So, you have nothing to say about that, now do you. See, if you had even 1 non Pats fan friend you'd take some crap from them about this very thing (Brady choking for YEARS and YEARS now). But, you don't have ANY friends. You're a miserable Home Ec teacher who apparently enjoys blowing up Brady dolls in his free time. lol

    At least we wouldn't have turned it over and we would have at least gotten a FG which would have won the SB. Imagine that. We can't get 10 measly point in a SB second half after only 10 in the first.  PATHETIC.

    Brady needs the ball taken out of his hands. He all but tried to lose the 2007 and 2011 AFC title games for crying out loud.

    This little infatuation you have in your head with Brady being this perfect player is quite comical.

    At least when Bird, Orr, and those kinds of players aged, they had injury excuses as to why they faded. What's Brady's excuse with his being so spoiled in a preferred offense in an offensive era?

    It's embarrassing, really. AN easy, offensive era and Brady looks like a deer in the headlights unless he sees a bad D or zone coverage.  Will it finally end this year?  



    So, how do you really feel about Brady? 

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to trouts' comment:

    In response to TexasPat's comment:

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:

    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.



         This tired, old argument fails to hold water. Here we go again:

    1.) 2006: BB used the 21st overall pick on RB Laurence Maroney, the 36th overall pick on WR Chad Jackson, and the 86th overall pick on TE David Thomas;

    2.) 2007: BB selected FS Brandon Meriweather at #24;

    3.) 2008: Selected LB Jerod Mayo at #10, the forgetable CB Terrence Wheatley at #62, the even more forgetable LB Shaun "Betty Grable" Crable at #78, and QB Kevin O'Connell at #94;

    4.) 2009: BB took SS Patrick Chung at #34, DT Ron Brace at #40, CB Darius Butler at #41, OT Sebastien Vollmer at #58, WR Brandon Tate at #83, and LB Tyrone McKenzie at #97;

    5.) 2010: Selected DB Devin McCourty at #27, TE Rob Gronkowski at #42, DE Jermaine Cunningham at #53, LB Brandon Spikes at #62, and WR Taylor Price at #90;

    6.) 2011: Took OT Nate Solder at #17, CB Ras-I Dowling at #33, RB Shane Vereen at #56, RB Stevan Ridley at #73, QB Ryan Mallett at #74;

    7.) 2012: BB selected DE Chandler Jones at #21, LB Dont'a Hightower at #25, the incomparable SS Tavon Wilson at #48, and Jake Bequette at #90;

    8.) 2013: The Pats drafted LB Jamie Collins at #52, WR Aaron Dobson at #59, CB Logan Ryan at #83, and SS Duron Harmon at #91.  

         It's unfair to judge the 2013 draft class after one year. But, from 2006-12, the Pats had seven (7) first round draft picks, 12 second round draft picks, and nine (9) third round picks. That's a grand total of 28 top 100 picks, over seven (7) years.

         Of the seven (7) first rounders, four (4) have become good players.

         Of the 12 second rounders, only Vollmer, Gronk, and Vereen have panned out.

         Of the nine (9) third rounders, only Stevan Ridley has contibuted.

         So...of these 28 top 100 picks, only eight have been worthwhile. That's just 29% hits, and a whopping 71% failures. Keep this in mind when you ask yourselves why the Patriots have gotten old at certain positions, and have been forced to comb the free agency scrap heap for players?    




    TPat: Thanks for the summary. How does the Patriot success/failure rate compare to other NFL teams? Surely someone has done an analysis.



    Safety tip:  It is vigorously recommended that you do no hold your breath waiting for a direct answer from TP to your question - may result in other posters having to perform CPR.

     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    In response to jrmccook's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:

    I'm not being a BB apologist, but it should be taken into consideration that the Patriots have drafted at the end of the draft every year since 2001 since they have had success on the field every single year.  The early draft picks they did have were from trades with other teams and not consistently picked at the top of the draft in later rounds.




    Are you taking into consideration that BB hasn't had to worry about finding a franchise QB for 12 years, while others have had to expend huge draft resources in search of that? Probably not. People tend to see only the things that bolster their point of view.

    That lament about not drafting at the top of the rounds is rather moot, since before the rookie wage scale, top 10 picks were a huge financial gamble against the cap.



    The good news is Babe feels superior to BB because he hasn't had a single draft bust since 1983 when he failed to sign Fred the Baker during his work's dunkin doughnuts employee football league which folded shortly due to rising costs when they tried to re-enact the snow plow game using flour and powdered sugar.

    The bad news is Babe is an arm chair pseudo fan who only finds time to pretend he's a patriots fan and look for ways to complain about the team, it's draft picks, ect versus focusing on the things the team has accomplished. If he was truly a fan, he'd compare these drafts and teams to the horrible drafts and teams of gm's past, and the drafts of other gm's in the nfl and know that while BB isn't perfect, and no GM truly is, he's doing a decent job, especially in recent years.

     




    If you had a clue you would know that I say BB is an average GM. That fits in line with your hopes that people know "he's doing a decent job". Unfortunately, you've proven to be another poster of worthless drivel; so it's ignore time, otherwise I might start calling you a moron; and some people can't handle the truth.


    I finally made the ignore list! I guess I took it a little too personal by bringing up the curse of fred with Babe.

     
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    Brady needs the ball taken out of his hands. He all but tried to lose the 2007 and 2011 AFC title games for crying out loud.



    I'm trying to understand this statement.

    Are you saying that he did everything but try to lose those games?

     
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    Brady needs the ball taken out of his hands. He all but tried to lose the 2007 and 2011 AFC title games for crying out loud.



    I'm trying to understand this statement.

    Are you saying that he did everything but try to lose those games?



    What's wrong, you didn't get the memo on this? Brady doesn't try anymore since he became a HOF QB and marked Giselle. 

     
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    Coddled, spoiled, doesn't try, plays poor, costs his team 2 sb's, doesn't work well with others. Gee, why does bb keep this turd? It baffles the mind Russ.

     
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    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Babe, I've enjoyed this thread becaue as always you tell it like it is. As a Christmas gift to all could you post a Benny watch thread? Because he has kind of been the forgotten man this year - he has quietly had a miserable season ranking at the bottom of most every catergory known to man.

    It wasn't long ago that the village idiot thought we should take the ball out of Brady's hands and put it into one of the most pathetically average runners in the NFL (and history is provig he is not even that).



    I recall starting a thread before the season saying there wouldnt be much of a benny watch as his carries would go down with Gio there and deadhead called me a troll.

     
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    Geez another thread like this one... how original.

    If there are no injuries to Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo and Vollmer there is a high likelihood that this team is undefeated, that the defense is the best in the entire NFL and people are talking about this team as one of the all time greats.

    The only reason this threads exists is due to overwhelming injury to some the best players in the NFL at their respective positions, otherwise all this troll talk would have slunk away to hide in some dark place whispering and mumbling about Belichick sucking.

    He has won 73% of his games, won three Super Bowls, been to five... if this sucks, than who is better?

    Dumb....

     
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    In response to wozzy's comment:

    Geez another thread like this one... how original.

    If there are no injuries to Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo and Vollmer, Gronk, Hernandez (jail), Vareen, Amendola there is a high likelihood that this team is undefeated, that the defense and offense are the best in the entire NFL and people are talking about this team as one of the all time greats.

    The only reason this threads exists is due to overwhelming injury to some the best players in the NFL at their respective positions, otherwise all this troll talk would have slunk away to hide in some dark place whispering and mumbling about Belichick sucking.

    He has won 73% of his games, won three Super Bowls, been to five... if this sucks, than who is better?

    Dumb....




     
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    Re: 32 high draft picks over 7 years.

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Babe, I've enjoyed this thread becaue as always you tell it like it is. As a Christmas gift to all could you post a Benny watch thread? Because he has kind of been the forgotten man this year - he has quietly had a miserable season ranking at the bottom of most every catergory known to man.

    It wasn't long ago that the village idiot thought we should take the ball out of Brady's hands and put it into one of the most pathetically average runners in the NFL (and history is provig he is not even that).




    I think Benny deserves a thread in honor of his achievements this year. Will do.

     
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    I would have rather have kept running the ball after the 1st drive in the 3rd qtr,



    I keep telling you to take that up with the HC. But you keep not listening and trying to dishonestly claim that McD and Brady simply ignore BB, and he helplessly watches as their defiance loses SBs.

    Is there a single person living that is so dishonest as to claim that, other than you? One?

     

     
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