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    5 minute NFL.com Article worthy of every second of your time...

    To ALL:

    First read this:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bd1535/article/patriots-pulling-off-rare-feat-of-winning-while-rebuilding?module=HP_cp2

    Kansas's thread on Page #2 offered up another good read by NFL.com in reagrds to The Brady to Brandon Tate 60-something yard touchdown connection (this should surely be hit upon as well)...

    However, the article (above), authored by Pat Kirwan was originally given as a Page 1 NFL.com side piece to Kansas's story.  It goes (hopefully you DID read it), into depth in regards to New England's rebuilding process, AND it's not so much this rebuilding process which imo, IS the trully excellent idea found within (I believe the article's title is a misnomer, as there are greater insinuations & findings, however non-explicit, Which NE Fans should entirely take away from it)... 

    The great underlying thesis Kirwan sees (and shows with well researched stats), IS at the very heart & core of Bill Belichick & New England Patriot Philosophy.  It's, as one would say: Getting BACK to that core, those originally ideals & ideas, which worked so well during our Superbowl Championship Seasons...
        

    IF I could sum up this philosophy (or try to), In 2 very simple terms, it is thus:  Versatility And Selflessness.  In ALL aspects of the game.  In Schemes, Specific Play-Calling, Personell & Groupings, Time of Possession...EVERYthing.  This simple mantra plays on BOTH sides of the Football, Offense AND Defense...and it even affects precisely how BOTH sides of NE's Football teamplay each & every drive & game, As 1 Single Unit.  Likewise, THIS Versatility & Selflessness go 100% hand in hand with each other...I'll explain: 


    VERSATILITY: After this post-Moss Trade by NE, We've often heard fellow Patriot Fans sing aloud a point whose true & critical meaning, imo has largely washed aside as a 2-bit catch phrase regarding the Post-Moss NE Team...  These Poster's say, "Remember when Brady's favorite receiver, was the OPEN receiver?"  See, it was originally stated by Tom Brady himself, after he was asked WHO his favorite receiver was, (Brady saying, "the open one").  NOW, What exactly does this mean, simply & more deeply?
        
    The Obvious: Brady and NE's Offense (as Kirwan shows and as we mighta guessed), HAS been spreading the ball around far, far more.  Higher Percentage Passes, excellent 2nd & 3rd down yardage situations, excellent conversion rates within these situations, drives that are longer in time of possession (Post-Moss), and an excellent red-zone success rate.  In layman's terms: NO more forced passes to 1 or 2 weapons...In a little "deeper" terms: NO More being a single dimensional Offense in terms of what the play is & who the ball probably will end up in the hands of...
        
    The "Deeper" Reflection:  Versatility, Versatility AND VERSATILITY...  It is less "spreading the ball around" better, It IS far more about VERSATILITY.  I'll pose you ALL a question: "WOULD you rather go into battle with 95 very, very average warriors, but with 5 sheer superstar, incredibly skilled men at your disposal...OR, would you rather go into battle with 100 well above average warriors, NONE of whom are in any way, the "titans" that those 5 outta 95 guys are in the previous army example?"  I'll tell you:  You'd be a fool NOT to take those 100 well above average warriors...   Ask now, "WHY?"  Because: You have NO weak-links and greater versatility on HOW you can use those above average guys.  Now in Football terms, This means NOW you have the players with just enough skill & versatility to hold their own, And far moreso-YOU can now game plan precisely for the OTHER "army's" strengths & weaknesses.  See it's reciprocal:
          LESS superstars, But far greater numbers of skilled men...  Better: Having NO superstars, but NO weak-links yourself, You Are Versatile.  No great weaknesses on your side & with no trully superb weapons at your disposal on yours side, You will NOT be overly reliant ON these weapons, BOTH at the expense of only certain ways you can use your Entire Army (because the rest s#ck besides these few superb weapons)=i.e. Obvious play-calling & schemes, AND no over-reliance ON these few weapons themselves (5 great weapons WILL break faster than 100 just decent & above average weapons).  In TOTAL: YOU have zero true exploitable flaws, AND you have that versatility in above average skill, In order to EXPLOIT Their very real Flaws & limitations...  You plan for THEIR strengths & weaknesses, And give them a much lesser opportunity to plan for them to plan for YOUR strengths & weaknesses.

    And Versatility DOES go hand in hand with SELFLESSNESS.  Above New England's Player Locker Room Entrance it reads this:

    "Just Do Your Job."

    What happens, then-When 1 person, by their greater skills and the other person's very lacking skills, NOW has to do BOTH his own job, AND has to pick up the slack for the underproducing person/player?  The system breaks down: That greatly skilled person & that "lesser" sub-producing person who's trully excellent at his trade & now doing part of the sub-par individual's work, WILL be OR do, ALL of these things:  BOTH WILL be exploitable by the other group, 1 exploitable by that other group through his great weaknesses within that other team, and 1 will be exploitable by that other group through HIS team's singular overuse, overemphasis, and complete need for that superstar's production.  What happens WITHIN that group fielding a far greater tiered set of skilled individuals?  Psyche's, Ego's, Concerns @ the above, concerns @ overuse & underuse, overemphasis & under emphasis=ZERO Selflessness...  Zero WHOLE Army taking the field together, and COUNTING on each other, and KNOWING that they CAN count on each other...

    Kirwan's article is all about The New England Patriots going back to what worked: A Machine running LIKE a machine, with machine like efficiency, And with each cog & part expected to hold their own, rather than a machine full of ceratin cracked & broken parts, with certain gears doin' double-duty as they desperately try to just keep it going...       
     
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    I kept asking who rebuilds on wins divisons? Who wins 11 games, which is normally good enough for a playoff spot, with back up QBs?

    Who replaces 4 Pro Bowl def players in a complex 3-4 D and wins divisions?

    Mind you, this was after the draft this year, the beatdown by Balt in the playoffs during a rebuild, and in August and Sept this year, when many fans had their hands on their hips constantly bashing BB's drafts and Defense.

    Well, well, well.

    Seattle hasn't been able to win the NFC West in 3 years as they rebuild and that's the easiest division in the NFL.

    Makes you appreciate the utter genius in which BB is able to try to win and actually supplant talent with new, younger talent at the same time.




     
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    Laz, excellent read and follow on post.  Thanks.

    BBR, absolutely agree.

    There may be a better football coach than Belichick somewhere but I don't know who it is.  Team looks better and better every week.  Imagine - when that young D gets it all together? 
     
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    Yup, ATJ.  It's impressive.

    If you take a look at every single NFL coach and/or GM, look at the infrastructure compared to NE's and how each role affects the other:

    1. President and CEO
    2. GM
    3. Coach

    How many teams do it like NE does?  It's a very hard thing to do because you have egos and it needs to work with a chemistry.  So, admittedly, it's very hard to get what NE has.

    Look at Minny. They  have a dumb owner and a crazy set up, with like 3 people pretending they are GMs.

    I think Parcells stepping down in MIami actually HELPS Miami.  Ireland can take the reins and there isn't any fear of someone over your shoulder.

    I think the BB/Pioli ,modell is the most efficient. It's BB's show, but he has a sidekick that is more like an admin.   That's what Reese is now.

    If you can somehow get that in the front office, that's what a team should strive for.

    Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Wylf in  Minny,

    Philly does it right. To me, this is the best example of an org that tries to mirror NE.    NYG as well.
    Philly fans can bash Reid all day, but he's very good. If Jim Johnson hadn't of passed away, they'd probably be in 1st place in that division.

    I find it fascinating how many teams simply don't get it yet.  You have to have a shrewd, patient GM who gets it, and you need a coach who is elite and not dumb.

    Washington MAY have it right with Allen and Shanahan, but we'll see.  Snyder still roams.

    So many teams have the GM and not the coach or the coach and not the GM, etc.

    And then if you get both, how efficient is your model from scouting-- />Assistant GM (pioli role) until it translates to the field?
     
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    Laz,

    I just want you to know that your insistence upon spelling "truly" with two L's is not the reason I almost never read your interminable, rambling posts.

    Fight the power!

    Cool



     
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    I kept asking who rebuilds on wins divisons? Who wins 11 games, which is normally good enough for a playoff spot, with back up QBs? Who replaces 4 Pro Bowl def players in a complex 3-4 D and wins divisions? Mind you, this was after the draft this year, the beatdown by Balt in the playoffs during a rebuild, and in August and Sept this year, when many fans had their hands on their hips constantly bashing BB's drafts and Defense. Well, well, well. Seattle hasn't been able to win the NFC West in 3 years as they rebuild and that's the easiest division in the NFL. Makes you appreciate the utter genius in which BB is able to try to win and actually supplant talent with new, younger talent at the same time.
    Posted by BBReigns


    Answer:  The colts.
     
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    In Response to Re: 5 minute NFL.com Article worthy of every second of your time...:
    In Response to Re: 5 minute NFL.com Article worthy of every second of your time... : Answer:  The colts.
    Posted by Indylove


    Yup that 1 ring is proof positive
     
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    its actually kind of funny because there were only a few on these blogs early in the season that were saying stuff like this...that the pats would be good and that bill actually knew what he was doing...   rusty being one of the ones that never deviated from this view and he got crusified for that and calling people out...and noone in the national media had a clue...

    but now all of a sudden the retooling of the team is coming to fruition and you dont hear that sh*t about bill now about how the pats would sux and bill had to go...... the posers that were saying it then have totally changed their tune....
     
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    udg5...   or should we call you fluffernutter???   get it???

    there are plenty of one and done teams and many quarterbacks like gomer (marino) that win their superbowl but are not in the elite class...

    sorry buddy ... gomer and the paper tigers dont belong in any converstaion with the greatest....   so go back to "advising" gomer
     
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    In Response to Re: 5 minute NFL.com Article worthy of every second of your time... : Answer:  The colts.
    Posted by Indylove


    Wrong answer, as usual.


    here is the right one:

    1. Team of the Decade, only Dynasty in cap era, winning 3/4 SBs.
    2. Colts coaching staff and front office not raided annually like NE's is. Tom Moore is still Gomer's private coordinator. lol
    3. Pats are 45-14 since 2007.
     
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    At the article, their analysis of the defense suffers from a few flaws:

    First, the Patriots have been playing prevent in the fourth quarter a great deal of the time.  The defense has given up an average of 8 points a game in the first half and 7 points a game in the fourth quarter.   The prevent seems to work a huge percentage of the time in New England under BB and Tom Brady.  This year's 6-1 record is no fluke.  If the Patriots played the same defense in the second half as they do in the first half, losing 8+8=16 points a game, everyone would say how good the defense was, but they might lose more games. 

    Second, the Patriots manage to give up huge chunks of yardage in places where yardage doesn't translate well into points.  I'd suspect that the Patriots are 32nd in the league at defense between the opponent's 5 yard line and their own 45 yard line.  This is because they overplay a prevent defense at these distances.  The opponent looks good on paper, with those occasional mistakes.  The defense typically tightens up just before field goal range. 

    Third, BB says that sacks are overrated.  The Patriots get a bigger share of QB knockdowns and hurries.  Those numbers are more spread around, rather than having one sack specialist on the team.  Sad to say, but the Patriots get their share of opposing quarterbacks knocked out of the game because their huge defensive linemen bull-rush.  I suspect that one big QB knockdown (Myron Pryor for example) is at least the equivalent of two little knockdowns.

    Why change people's minds?  Let other people think that the Patriots' defense is no good.  That in itself wins games.
     
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    good stuff, although your post is the same length as the article lol
     
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    In Response to Re: 5 minute NFL.com Article worthy of every second of your time... : Answer:  The colts.
    Posted by Indylove


    The Colts went 11-5 with a backup QB???

    Pray tell, when?






    Anxiously awaiting your idiotic response.
     
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    Great post Laz.  I actually read the whole thing :)


    By the way I'm also one of those few who has been saying since the draft (Hernandez and Gronk) that we were going to be great.
     
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    At the article, their analysis of the defense suffers from a few flaws: First, the Patriots have been playing prevent in the fourth quarter a great deal of the time.  The defense has given up an average of 8 points a game in the first half and 7 points a game in the fourth quarter.   The prevent seems to work a huge percentage of the time in New England under BB and Tom Brady.  This year's 6-1 record is no fluke.  If the Patriots played the same defense in the second half as they do in the first half, losing 8+8=16 points a game, everyone would say how good the defense was, but they might lose more games.  Second, the Patriots manage to give up huge chunks of yardage in places where yardage doesn't translate well into points.  I'd suspect that the Patriots are 32nd in the league at defense between the opponent's 5 yard line and their own 45 yard line.  This is because they overplay a prevent defense at these distances.  The opponent looks good on paper, with those occasional mistakes.  The defense typically tightens up just before field goal range.  Third, BB says that sacks are overrated.  The Patriots get a bigger share of QB knockdowns and hurries.  Those numbers are more spread around, rather than having one sack specialist on the team.  Sad to say, but the Patriots get their share of opposing quarterbacks knocked out of the game because their huge defensive linemen bull-rush.  I suspect that one big QB knockdown (Myron Pryor for example) is at least the equivalent of two little knockdowns. Why change people's minds?  Let other people think that the Patriots' defense is no good.  That in itself wins games.
    Posted by Paul_K


    Paul and ALL:

    Paul, I had actually wanted touch upon this (NE's Defensive struggles-particularly giving up long drives, and 2nd half scoring by opponents)...but, ya see I fell asleep halfway through writing my original post (that was for you, Prairie).

    SO get this ALL: I was doing some side New England Patriots's Research, and I came across some forum with a poster whom made some side reference that The New England Patriots Playbook and schemes, was on the internet...  I looked, he was correct (I actually have it on my favorites menu, IF anyone wants it-don't need to download it).  And guys, It's just the Defensive NE Playbook, And IT IS INSANE...it's a freakin' monster

    Now, WHAT does this mean?  Well, from a mere Fan's perspective and a person whom only played just lowly HS Football, It had never even dawned on me, just how utterly absurd in terms of schemes, and what EACH and EVERY single player MUST (and I say, Must)-Do, on any given play, so that they are each & all running as that "perfectly functioning machine" with one another...

    Say for instance, NE's D is on the field against Manning's Colts.  Colts's are in a simple run formation which may turn out to be a play-action pass, BUT Then Manning doesn't like what he sees by NE's D, and so he calls an audible at the LOS, spreading his men out into a passing spread formation, right there...THINGS as minute & minuscule as WHERE and HOW each NE Defensive player, uses their hips, THEIR HIPS! differently, Now-not should occur, but MUST occur.  Example of what that D-Lineman sees in the form of say Ty Warren: Warren originally HAS to know, that "O.k., I'm taking on the tackle and TE on the strongside of this running formation, my buddy Wilfork will project to take on the Center & Guard on my side also. In THIS very specific Indy look, I gotta fill the gaps manned between that OT and TE, and the side most gap of that TE, so each and all the other guys can fill THEIR completely specific gaps in the O-Line correctly." 

    NOW, audible by Manning with Warren's TE on his side lining up wide suddenly-Warren, Wilfork, and the other 3-4 DE, MUST all work in conjunction to switch their gaps...o.k.?  No biggee...(lol, even though, it doesn't just affect gaps, but even the very O-Lineman of the 2 O-Lineman that each one's taking oon, must switch, AND in fact precisely how, you WILL and NEED to as an individual D-Lineman, contort your hands, body, shoulders, legs, etc., differently per O-Lineman).  But say, according to this very specific play-look by Manning, there originally was an Inside Linebacker blitz...NOW, with Manning's audible, Each & Every D-Lineman, Linebacker, etc, HAS to know that their will not be an ILB blitz (which ILB makes it even infinitely more complicated) after Manning calls the audible, THERE will NOW be a weakside OLB blitz (as NE's ILB needs to go PRECISELY hooking out 12 yards into the flat in a zone where he has to cover people in it).... 

    DON'Tcha see?!!  By every single play-look, THEN audible, each and every single Defender UTTERLY needs to get it correct for the system NOT to just work good, BUT for it NOT to fail terribly:  What the guy next to you is doing, then gaps, then areas they're in charge of, then specific body contortions, THEN the Offense changes it once or even 2 X at the LOS!?!  And THIS IS the easy part!

    The hard part comes when Belichick SEES something by that Manning led Offense on the field, and wants to add a wrinkle DURING the game, and happening many times WITHIN the game (even a simple blitz, that in a hitherto NON-blitzing look that usually wouldn't give that Offense by what that Offense shows, THIS NEEDS to be part of the machine, with ALL the parts knowing, "That We will use this blitz...but just in this specific look & place, and I have to make my EXACT changes even though I will not be the one blitzing, but then IF an audible is called right then and there, We won't do it...but we may...").  I ain't even MENTIONING the dependancy of how the system WILL change depending on the different "cogs" (i,e, players) within the machine (i.e. field), at any single given moment...On BOTH sides, lol.  LMAO, What a Nightmare!

    We often hear how the 3-4 IS more complicated than a base 4-3, and it is...

    But Nick, you're correct, and has been mentioned: NE DOES run the most basic form of a 3-4 ("Fairbanks-Bulloughs").  I've stated it before, that this form, IS by it's very nature, a BEND Not BREAK 3-4 Defense...  The notion being that the Defensive Machine WILL function (IF used perfectly as outlined, and each part functioning perfectly)-That Offense may go on extended drives (not good for basic team stats, but who cares), BUT that Offensive System WILL mess up and break (turnover, incompletion, basic failure to convert, etc)...It (Offense) WILL breakdown before NE's Defense, IF the defensive machine IS 100% running correctly... 

    People (and me, formerly), who say, "Oh, basic 3-4 Defense in NE...HAS to be easier than other 3-4 D's like Pittsburgh using all these crazy and wacky player shifts per play, and/or Dallas's or SD's 3-4 D with things like zone blitzing, the norm...right?"
         Nope...Take a look at Pittsburgh's 3-4 Defense: Say on some given play in Pittsburgh's D Playbook, the scheme is called that has 1 of their 3-4 DE's dropping back into coverage, with some ILB filling that 3-4 DE spot, then an OLB on the Opposite side of the D blitzing on the same side that the 3-4 DE who ain't dropping into coverage, while their NT and the 3-4 DE angle their attack towards the blitzing OLB on their side, hoping to overwhelm the O-Line at that side.  COMPLICATED as F#ck, right?  CONFUSING as F#CK, right?  Well it is...and it's intended TO be: Confusing, that is (I'm confused, now).  But it ain't complicated...

    SEE, Pittsburgh's 3-4 D (like Dallas/SD), IS intended TO confuse the Offense (particularly Pittsburgh's crazy player shifting), YET-It IS a Defensively Designed Play...And NOT, like NEW ENGLAND'S Defense, a Defense that switches and makes it's crazy schemes, player movements, etc., etc., based on WHAT YOU See The Oppossing Offense doing...  Get it?  Pitts' D is a gamble, a calculated cr#p roll-A Confusing play call and schematic, with all the players being on the same page and doing these crazy shifts, in order to confuse that offense...A Gamble.  But It's a simple gamble, where each & every player knows the number of dice, the wager, the game being played, BEFORE it's actually rolled on to the table.  NE's Defense, on the otherhand: NE's D Unit WILL switch their wager, their gameplay, their EVERYthing, based upon EXACTLY how they see NOT just the game, or the game played, but the game unfolding... 
         IF ya understand 1 thing, let it be this: NE's Defense IS Oriented based on what they see the Offense doing, giving them, showing them, and offering them, while Pittsburgh's Defense is some crazy good card shark, who goes into each & every wager, with a far, FAR more PREdetermined idea, on how he's gonna play the hand...no matter what.  NE's Defense, IS a machine that IS an extremely highly calculating machine, based on the crazy different numbers YOU are giving it and/or showing it Each & Every Time.  BOTH NE's Defense & Pittsburgh's Defense, Can and WILL Improvise....but The New England Patriots's Defense is:

    More Versatile, at least in terms of, NE's Defense plays what They See, What is given TO them, and NOT-playing how they wanna play, the "good game" that they had ALREADY pre=planned to play AS their overall game-plan...


    ~The long and sho--...err, the long & long of it:  NE's Defense IS complicated....and it IS soooo very young en masse.  Guys that are so not merely new to NE, but inexperienced in the Pros, too.  And THIS means: Parts are just figuring out how to work well with each other, well in this new system, and Quite Specifically-This Means, that when NE's Defensive Machine sees stuff that they're trying to attempt to figure out how to deal with (at that exact moment on game-day), You Do NOT, nor even canNOT even attempt to try to overwhelm this NE Defensive Machine, by adding in a "new-wrinkle" in order to calculate this crazy new type of formula or set-up of formulas that you're seeing placed in a novel manner, by that oppossing Offense during the present gameday experience.  Give it time people, IF I can further liken the analogy: 
         The Belichick Idea and set-up for this great & complicated "thinking" machine, is NOT new...but so many numbers of the parts themselves are new lately; Don't and even CAN'T overwhelm them at this present state as they're just learning to function within this machine & together; There certainly will need some filing of a few pieces (Darius Butler, Patrick Chung, etc.) and some bad pieces altogether that don't even fit into this machine (guys cut in training camp), and there's certainly some good pieces but pieces that do not fit this machine's mold, and we're lol WithOUT a few needed pieces (one 3-4 DE and another OLB), BUT as the short time wears on of completely RE-tooling this machine, It IS looking better & better...  
     
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