In Response to Re: A closer look at Patriots defense...Talent Verse Scheme.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: A closer look at Patriots defense...Talent Verse Scheme. : FALSE Absolutely FALSE. IN 2010, our D bailed out our offense in these games: 1. Miami (STs and D won that game after we scored ZERO TDs IN THE FIRST HALF!! Only 2 FGs against MIami?) 2. Baltimore (OT, many holds left and right) 3. Minny (Tough battle, goal line stand from our D, Favre knocked out) 4. SD (tough game on the road, our offense did squat!!!!) 5. Indy (Shoothout game, not much running from us, put a very dangerous Manning back on the field very quickly, and Sanders INT won the game) That's 5 games alone, and you know what, Brady never threw an INT (After Week 4). HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. By December, our D was benefitting from our balanced offense, playing more relaxed, with more confidence, and far less presusure on them wiht this failed?flawed base McDaniels Spread. NE dealt Moss aafter Week 4 and the rest was history.. It forced Brady to do something else. BB broke up an addictive relationship which HELPED our D! You can't expect our D to be great in that McDaniels Spread. This goes back to 2006 when it was introduced! Old news! Our D bailed out the offense in the second half last week with multiple great plays to get the ball back from our awful 3rd qtr offense. If not for a Sergio Brown sketchy call this week, they did it again. As for our talent in the drafts, I disagree completely. We don't have a weak group at LB at all. Disagree. At worst, mediocre with a strong MLB crew and an uknown OLB crew. We have nice depth, an All Pro starter and captain, and a good mix of skill sets at MLB. At OLB, it's definitley more of a question mark there, yes. It's very hard to find Patriot players. It just is. We don't run a one dimensional Indy style 4-3 D with Cover 2. The pay off is greater in the long run, both on our offense and defense, and it's tough to find the right people. Look how mediocre people like McGinest, Brushci, Milloy, etc, were when Pete Carroll was here. THey'd look great as a core base group one week and then look terrible or average the next week. I do agree they need to look at DE in the upcoming draft or DT to add to Wilfork, Kyle Love, etc. But, I could care less where a Kyle Love or a Pryor (I know he's hurt, which blows) are drafted. It doesn't matter. It's the selection of a player who gets it and can take the coaching to get better. Yesterday, Mazz and Felger are giggling like little girls talking abou how dumb it was to deal Seymour away. All I can think of is the shortsighted fans here agreeing with it, simply because they associate Seymour with 3 rings. But, no one cares that he is grossly overpaid and there is a cap LOWER than 2009's cap when BB had to trade him. Seymour and people like Julius Peppers likely ain't going anywhere on teams that are that mismanaged, making that kind of cash every year. Good for them, but bad for the TEAM. Seymour makes 14 million dollars and is nowhere near what he used to be here. He's still a force, but he doesn't command a double team as much and his cohort, Tommy Kelly, outproduces him. We have Nate Solder for it and had to pay Brady and Wilfork their market value. So, this is an issue? As if there isn't a salary cap? These idiots have no idea what they are talking about. None. They stoke the fire while the anti-BB action is good. That's all they do. Then go quiet when the team looks good. Don't take the bait.
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Don't worry Russ...I won't take the bait, and usually you and I see eye to eye on things, even if your version is a bit more flamboyant.
Okay, good evidence the D did some bailing out last year. Can't argue that. My only point is they need to perform at a high level for us to be SB contenders.
This brings us back to our next point, the original point of the email....Talent vs. Scheme...does the current D roster have the talent to perform better, or good enough to be SB contenders?
My point of view is that this Defense is not all that talented. And, the reason it is not all that talented lies in part to our poor draft results over the past 5 years, the necessity to rely on late round/UDFA talent, and this specifically older players who may not have all that much left.
You can say it doesn't matter where we find talent, and to a degree you are right. However, my expectation, and probably the expectation of every NFL executive, is that teams find top tier talent in rounds 1-3 of the draft. You expect a 1st rounder to start and contribute in a big way, same to an extent for round 2 and round 3 are your potential starters/depth players. You simply aren't getting the same quality in UDFAs or very late rough draft picks..there is a reason they are UDFA's and late rounders.
I gave you the example of our LB corps. You say our ILB situation is good. Okay, i'll agree..We have one star in Mayo, 2 decent players in Guyton, Spikes... Our OLB is mediocre at best..I don't see a star in the making out of any of them, and none of them are playmakers, pass rush specialists, or game changers. Seems like you agree with me there. Put the 2 together and overall I think we have a mediocre LB crew.
Our DL (pryor to FA acquisitions this year)....Pryor (6th round-out), Love (UDFA), Wilfork (1st rounder), Deaderick (7th Round), Brace (2nd round), Wright (UDFA-out).
Brace and Pryor have shown some talent, but at this point can't be counted on. Deaderick, Love mediocre. The only player that is a star is Wilfork that we selected, and he was selected prior to the last 5 drafts. So, over the last 5 drafts, as deficient as this defense has been, as much rebuilding we have said we need to do, we draft ZERO DL in round 1, only 1 in round 2 (jury's out), and the rest are late round picks or UDFAs. Is that a way to build a young, aggressive DL, when the DL is supposely where it all begins.....There is not even a core there except for Wilfork and Wright, and Wright's days are numbered with all those concussions. everyone else is old in the tooth, new to the system and is on short term rental.
Our secondary...Chung good player, has potential to be great if he can be more consistent and stay healthy. McCourty good player, can be great if he can get past this recent slump. Ras looked good in 1 game as a pro, has potential. Bodden doesn't look nearly like his old self. Arrington and Moulden are decent depth CB's. Sergio Brown, Idegebo, Barrett not sure if they start on any team. All pretty mediocre. And, this secondary group is supposedly a strong part of the D. I can't poke a lot of holes in this group other than at Safety. BB took a calculated risk by letting Meriweahter, Sanders and Page walk and it backfired so far. again, wasted high draft picks with Butler (2nd round) and Whealtey (2nd round). I would also argue that Meriweather (1st round) was a wasted pick as well because he did'nt do what we needed and is no longer on the roster.
Back to the post....My argument is..overall, I don't see a very high level of talent on this defense, especially if you take away some of the FA's we just signed. We have done a poor job of addressing key positions like DL, LB via the draft, and have wasted picks on the secondary.
Russ, call me a pink hat or Gasper fan all you want, I just don't see the talent. If that makes me a traitor or however you want to classify me, so be it.