A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

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    A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
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    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

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    Babe this would be better if you listed who they should have drafted if available so in the next 10 picks.  Who did they miss on? Everyone make mistakes in the draft so me where BB did with an example. 

     
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    Babe this would be better if you listed who they should have drafted if available so in the next 10 picks.  Who did they miss on? Everyone make mistakes in the draft so me where BB did with an example. 

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    Impossible to speculate since trading up/down or into the next draft can't be factored. The buck still stops at BB when he makes the pick.

     

     
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    I disagree. Perhaps I will have time this weekend to show some examples of who was available and then we can see if BB made some bad pics. Again, everyone misses. This thread could be good if we had more data. Example - instead of Maroney we pick J Adia (colts). Good debate there. 

    I recall Jon Beason being passed by one year - forget who we picked. Again, I need time to research. 

     
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    In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
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    Gronk can't wait to update these lists with his hilarious reasoning and grades when any neagtive news is attached to any player here at any time.

    He still has not listed which franchises, selecting 27-32 every year, have had better overall talent yields from 2010-2012 and it's because he's afraid to showcase, it's actually right here in NE.

     

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    BB has had a half dozen picks since 2006 better than 27-32 Megatool.

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
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    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

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    Hahaha priceless. Nothing like having a biased agenda.

    The funniest part is that you don't even try to hide it anymore.

    Frankly I am surprised you you even bothered to give ANY pick anything more than a C since we know you think the entire roster except Brady and "kinda" Gronk is mediocre at best.

     
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    Hahaha priceless. Nothing like having a biased agenda.

    The funniest part is that you don't even try to hide it anymore.

    Frankly I am surprised you you even bothered to give ANY pick anything more than a C since we know you think the entire roster except Brady and "kinda" Gronk is mediocre at best.

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    You're lying. I never said the entire roster is mediocre except for "kinda" Gronk and Brady. I've said the roster overall is mediocre outside of Brady. Obviously there are both above average players and below average players.

    Nothing biased about it. That's a straight-up honest assessment of the picks. Refute one if you like.

     

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
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    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

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    And yet we are far and away the most successful franchise in the NFL over that past decade. You should be thankful. Get a clue old man.

     
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    And yet we are far and away the most successful franchise in the NFL over that past decade. You should be thankful. Get a clue old man.

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    Thank the great HC and QB for that, not the GM, clueless noob.

    "Far and away" the most successful franchise over the last decade? It's not "far and away" rube. As a matter of fact a couple of teams have won as many SBs as we have in the last decade. Learn the game.

     
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    In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
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    Babe literally last week called Spikes a "bust"

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    I've never said Spikes was a bust, LIAR.

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
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    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
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    Hahaha priceless. Nothing like having a biased agenda.

    The funniest part is that you don't even try to hide it anymore.

    Frankly I am surprised you you even bothered to give ANY pick anything more than a C since we know you think the entire roster except Brady and "kinda" Gronk is mediocre at best.

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    You're lying. I never said the entire roster is mediocre except for "kinda" Gronk and Brady. I've said the roster overall is mediocre outside of Brady. Obviously there are both above average players and below average players.

    Nothing biased about it. That's a straight-up honest assessment of the picks. Refute one if you like.

     

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    What would be the point in refuting or discussing any of it with you. I already know your agenda or opinions about it. Even if I have different or varying opinions on the grades of many of those picks it doesn't matter to discuss with you since you would ignore any discussion and always fall back to your opinion of  it being ONLY Brady.

    I have also no idea what your premise is for making your determination in your grades. We almost certainly have VERY different criteria and its importance in determining the grade. If we were not on the same page from that fundamental starting point then ofcourse we would never be close to seeing eye to eye on any of it.

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
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    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
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    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

    [/QUOTE]

    Hahaha priceless. Nothing like having a biased agenda.

    The funniest part is that you don't even try to hide it anymore.

    Frankly I am surprised you you even bothered to give ANY pick anything more than a C since we know you think the entire roster except Brady and "kinda" Gronk is mediocre at best.

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    I like babe and rusty but man these guys are polar opposites. If babe says the whole thing is an F, and Rusty an A, then I am going with a C

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
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    He is a Brady lover who clearly is very angry he is gay 

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    You are obviously the gay person Megatool. Knocking on 40's door, no wife, no kids, never a mention of a serious relationship with a woman.

    Obviously you have a thing for older gents; thus the BB fetish. LMAO@U

     
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    I can't complain about the 2011 and 2012 drafts. I don't know how anyone could say 2006-2010 drafts were good for NWE.

     
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    Thanks for taking the time to organize and post this. 

    Hard to imagine anyone can defend BBs drafting record after reading this.

     

     

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Looking at the first 3 rounds from 2006 through 2012, and grading each pick.

     

    2006:

    Maroney (21st) - F (Simply a wretched pick.)

    Jackson (36th) - F (The worst pick of all from a not very good drafter.)

     

    2007:

    Meriweather (24th) - D (Sent packing and not resigned after rookie contract.)

     

    2008:

    Mayo (10th) - B (A top 10 pick not blown.)

    Wheatley (62nd) - F (Useless.)

    Crable (78th) - F (Worthless.)

    O'Connell (94th) - F (Wasted pick.)

     

    2009:

    Chung (34th) - D (Jettisoned after rookie contract.)

    Brace (40th) - F (Useless.)

    Butler (41st) - F (Worthless.)

    Vollmer (58th) - B (Solid OLman injury gamble that has paid off.)

    Tate (83rd) - F (Worthless.)

     

    2010:

    McCourty (27th) - C- (Unable to handle the CB spot he was drafted for.)

    Gronk (42nd) - B+ (True impact player, but also too injured.)

    Cunningham (53rd) - F (Worthless.)

    Spikes (62nd) - C- (One dimensional filler player.)

    Price (90th) - F (Useless.)

     

    2011:

    Solder (17th) - B (Solid lineman.)

    Dowling (33rd) - F (A virtual 1st round pick, worthless.)

    Vereen (56th) - D (Shows talent, but oft injured.)

    Ridley (73rd) - D (Mr. Unreliable.)

    Mallet (74th) - D (No reason to believe this pick is worth a damn.)

     

    2012:

    Jones (21st) - B (Seems to be a solid pick.)

    Hightower (25th) - C- (No wow factor at all so far.)

    Wilson (48th) - F (The world scratched their head at this pick, and we can see why.)

    Bequette (90th) - F (Useless, so far.)

     

     

    There they are. 26 top 3 round picks. Nearly half of them Fs! 18 picks are a D or less! Not a pick above a B!

    Out of 26 picks a meager 8 are even decent. That is atrocious and absolute proof of why the team BB has built around Brady is mediocre.

    Great coaching and a great QB along with some good trades made by BB the GM have kept the team viable; NOT THE CRAPPY DRAFTING!

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    Imagine if they all became stars? Who would play the game? 26 in the top 3 rounds only, forget the 35 or so after round 3, and the existing players on the team, and the free agent acquisitions, and the undrafted FA's signed.

    I just wish we could field a roster of 190 and win the Super Bowl every year, then BB would know what he is doing....to the eyes of someone who doesn't know a thing.

     
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    In response to seattlepat70's comment:
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    I can't complain about the 2011 and 2012 drafts. I don't know how anyone could say 2006-2010 drafts were good for NWE.

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    Wait, McCourty, Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez and Mesko were no good for 2010? I would say you can't complain about the last 3 drafts, but then again this is Patriots nation, and we are the most spoiled bunch of whiney slap diks in the U S of A.

    Not directed at you in particular Seattle and I agree 06-09 was tough although I would point out that any draft that nets Randy Moss and Wes Welker(over 70 tds and what 9000 yards???) is one of the best drafts in NFL history, and I would trade an entire draft class for those 2 alone but BB traded what a 2nd, a 4rth and 2 7ths? What a dummy. 2008 was probably the worst NFL draft classes of the last 10 years, but who cares about reason on this board.

     

    BB sux.

    So does Tom Brady

    and Mayo

    and Nink

    and McCourty

    and McDaniels

    and Spikes

    and......ah you guys get the point....don't you?

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to TrueChamp's comment:
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    In response to seattlepat70's comment:
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    I can't complain about the 2011 and 2012 drafts. I don't know how anyone could say 2006-2010 drafts were good for NWE.

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    Wait, McCourty, Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez and Mesko were no good for 2010? I would say you can't complain about the last 3 drafts, but then again this is Patriots nation, and we are the most spoiled bunch of whiney slap diks in the U S of A.

    Not directed at you in particular Seattle and I agree 06-09 was tough although I would point out that any draft that nets Randy Moss and Wes Welker(over 70 tds and what 9000 yards???) is one of the best drafts in NFL history, and I would trade an entire draft class for those 2 alone but BB traded what a 2nd, a 4rth and 2 7ths? What a dummy. 2008 was probably the worst NFL draft classes of the last 10 years, but who cares about reason on this board.

     

    BB sux.

    So does Tom Brady

    and Mayo

    and Nink

    and McCourty

    and McDaniels

    and Spikes

    and......ah you guys get the point....don't you?

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    ThePats also have the worst record too

    Oops sorry , no they dont 

    Between being the worst at FAs and drafting they must be the worst team

    Oops again 

    I don't seem to remember that anyone thought that Maroney and Jackson were not going to be good. In fact even PM said that the Pats had gotten their rb

     

    Merriweather did make all pro

    i could go on but

    This thread is an F

     

     
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    Agree with Rusty that this kind of thing makes more sense when it is compared with the results of other so-called top teams. In a vaccum it's easy to forget that every single GM is going to flub some picks. 

    Most of the grades are pretty accurate, but a few are unfair or premature. 

    If you get a few decent years out of a player, that has to be taken into account. I'd say Chung and Meriweather are Cs. Maroney is either a C- or a D. All were disappointments but not utter failures. 

    Now we're into the premature picks. If McCourty sticks as a safety, that's a B pick at least when all is said and done. If you draft someone for one position and they end up thriving in another that still counts dude.

    No way is Spikes a C, we have to see how this plays out but he has shown flashes that he can be at least a B player if not a A. 

    Ridley and Vereen - too early to pass judgement. Both could be Ds if they can't stay on the field (or in Ridley's case stop fumbling), but both could be as high as an A. I'd guess when the smoke clears one will be a B and one a C. 

    2012 - grades look accurate but it's too early. As an aside, whenever anyone has to resort to calling people old or gay it shows a weakness in confidence in your argument. 

    When I look back at Belichick's drafts, which I suspect are in the top five or eight in the league over that period but not in the top three (though I would need to see a more careful review of others), what is more curious is where the struggles have been. 

    Example: why has he been such a miserable failure at drafting wide receivers? And why has he struggled tremendously drafting cornerbacks? 

    Those are more compelling questions in my mind because everyone is going to hit or miss on picks, but when you develop a long pattern of missing, that implies to me that you should seek outside help and counsel on those areas. I don't know if he has done that, my sense from what I have read is he is too proud and controlling for that. 

    I think he may have finally solved that with receiver by signing a ton of young dudes and seeing what sticks to the wall. But for cornerback he either needs help in the draft (as those guys tend to go near the top), or he needs to hit on some free agents. But - he has hit on Talib and that has really anchored our defense. It shows how much BB needs a great CB to make his schemes work. 

     

     

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    Interesting thread. Sadly I got a good laugh out of it. 

    Sure opens your eyes.  It's been a long while since winning a SB, and some people here seem to think that BB has done just fine in drafting because they are good every season and recently went to another SB.

    BUT  

     

    Hello Mcfly!

    We have one of the best QB's ever leading this team every year.  Don't you think Brady has been the reason they are so good year in and year out regardless of the talent brought in?  Maybe Belichick is the one getting to much credit for being good every season regardless of the draft blunders he has made.   Maybe more credit for being good every year should go to our QB, and less to Bill.

    When it comes to the important games Brady can't do it all and this team just doesn't have enough talent to win it all.  And that is the bottom line.

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    I cant see why anyone can refute Babe on this OP?

    This OP is not who is or isnt the best team in the past decade, nor is it what players were available to the PAts after they chose...nor is it would another GM have done otherwise.

    The OP is clear and simple...the picks listed for the most part have been terrible. You can quibble with a grade, but who can sit here, look at this list, and say the draft choices made have been stellar? Surely, there have been UDFA's that have helped this team. Trades, wire pick ups all have contributed to this teams success. But is not what the OP is stating...look at the draft record, and discuss if this is a good draft record or not?

    I would upgrade McCourty to a B+ and I would settle in with Spikes at B-, only because he is a sub player not on the field enough. IN the run game, I have Spikes as a B+

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    We all have an agenda both in this forum and in life and Babe is no different from the rest of us.  This thread is an example of Babe pursuing his. 

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from rkarp. Show rkarp's posts

    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to ATJ's comment:
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    We all have an agenda both in this forum and in life and Babe is no different from the rest of us.  This thread is an example of Babe pursuing his. 

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    indeed. that being said, how do you grade the draft choices made?

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    Here's my cold hard look at the Patriots' regular seasons 2006-2013.  They had 92 victories and 25 losses up to today.  Sometimes you are what your record says you are. 

     
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    Re: A cold hard look at 7 years off BB's drafting.

    In response to Paul_K's comment:
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    Here's my cold hard look at the Patriots' regular seasons 2006-2013.  They had 92 victories and 25 losses up to today.  Sometimes you are what your record says you are. 

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    indeed. IMO this has been the best team in football during the regular season for the past decade. they have been great, entertaining and run as a first class organization...really, nothing much else matters, other than winning SB's of course, which except for 2 really fluke plays against the Jints, this team has 2 more SB wins.

    you should start another thread on the topic...but staying on topic, do you have an opinion of the first 3 rounds drafted over that time period?  

     

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