A question about Dungy

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    Started about Dungy and then switched over to global warming?
     
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    "By the way, you haven't answered a single question that I asked you. You blow it off with a "the debate is over" attitude. News flash: the debate on Global Warming is not over, despite the fact that pro-Global Warmers do not wish to debate. (Why is that?)"

    Maybe because no matter how much evidence pro global warming people give you you still wont admit its a problem. I posted an entire page worth of evidence with links to support the thoery of global warming and you didnt have anything to say about that so why should i answer your questions? Not to mention like i said I could give you teh smoking gun and you would still come up with some BS for why its not true. something like 95% of sciencetists agree that the global warming theory is correct and they have up to date evidence to back it up and it is still nto enough. People site programs a scientific evidence from 20 years ago and act like that old stuff somehow discredits global warming mean while there are people doing research on global warming right now as we speak with up to date finding that back up global warming and you still dont buy it. So what is one to do? If you wont except the facts about global warming how am i sopossed to debate? 


    And I dont know who you think your fooling Richie, you dont want to debate you just want insult me or call me foolish. I have been debating in this thread for like 2 months now and we have managed to do it in a respectful way with out insulting each other and then you got involved and start poking fun at me because you dont agree with or dont understand what i was trying to say. Be a good guy about it and I will have the conversation, act like a pr ick and I wont it is that simple.
     
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    Started about Dungy and then switched over to global warming?
    Posted by DrDoItchBig


    Dungy started global warming...
     
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    "Maybe because no matter how much evidence pro global warming people give you you still wont admit its a problem. I posted an entire page worth of evidence with links to support the thoery of global warming and you didnt have anything to say about that"

    I'm not going to clog up this board with pages after pages after pages of evidence to show global warming is a farce. I could, and I'll be happy to provide the links if you'd like to open up your mind and learn--all you have to do is ask. I provided two links, did you read those? I really doubt you did, because you don't really care about the evidence, you just care about your agenda--the Statist agenda--so I could provide all the evidence in the world and you wouldn't listen. But If you'd like I can provide tons of links where you could research for yourself.

    "something like 95% of sciencetists agree that the global warming theory is correct"
    That's not even close to being true. Besides, I already told you consensus means theory, and that's it.
     
     "you dont want to debate'
    I absolutely do, and I will win, because I've got a little something on my side called Truth. 

    "act like a pr ick and I wont it is that simple."
    The only name calling I've seen has been from you. What have I said?

    Now, I'll post again later tonight when I have more time. 
     
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    My bad Richie I confused you with another poster who was being a jerk so my bad on that. I am more then willing to read whatever links you post as I have a very open mind about these types of things so if i read something that convinces me i am wrong i will 100% change my stand on this. The problem is for every link you provide that discredits the theory of global warming i can also provide a link that supports it. There is lots of evidence on both sides. I just happen to buy into it, I have read a lot of stuff on global warming and a lot of stuff that discredits global warming and if you ask me and clearly i only speak for myself the evidence for global warming is far more convincing then the evidence against it. I get why people dont want to see all this money thrown at a theory they dont support but to me it seems like a good step in the right direction. You dont think people should have to give up their freedoms and i get that to an extent but to me it just seems like old people not wanting to change the way they do thing. And i dont mean you I just mean in general. The freedoms to talk about I can only assume you mean driving what ever car they want and that type of thing and to me those kinds of freedoms have been over used and not watched closely enough over the last god knows how many years and now we need to put restrictions on some thing because not everyone is like you, not everyone does the right thing because its the right thing. Some people have to be told by their goverment that they need to make a change for the sake of the plannet. I get what you are saying, it s ucks that good people who already take care of the plannet and do the right thing have to suffer for all the morons who refuse to stop poluting but that is the nature of the beast, a few good people wont solve the problem so thats why they are taking away some freedoms.

    Just out of curiosity, since you dont like teh idea of losing freedoms in this country, how did you feel about the Patriot Act? Just wondering.
     
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    Taz - what will the damage from global warming be?  And when?  And what do we have to do to stop it from happening?
     
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    Do I look like a science teacher Mighty? It seems like you are all ready to fight or something merely because I dont agree with you, get over it we dont all see eye to eye all the time. I dont know when it will do what it does and I dont know exactly what will happen but i do know that in order to stop it we need to take better care of teh plannet. Which is a good thing whether or not you beleave in global warming anyways. We should want to take care of teh plannet with or with out global warming. I am not an expert i just enjoy the ongoing conversations on this thread and this was a good topic so its not like I am sleeping with Al Gore or something lol

     
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    Okay killa, you're not a science teacher, but you are a football coach, so I assume you can recognize an end run when you see one.

    Answer me this:

    If the debate is over and the energy tax is an obvious, viable solution, why do you suppose the legislation was ramrodded through in the wee small hours of the session? I don't know about you, but I'm already tired of my elected representatives voting on legislation they haven't read because your boy Bo Mama, likes to classify all his pet projects as "dire global emergencies" which need HIS immediate touch.

    Mighty is right about actual real-world consequences and timelines. This administration wants to ramrod the biggest tax increase in the history of ever straight down your throat without telling you how it will affect you. They've got their uber-majority now, and all further debate would serve to do is allow rational people who actually work for a living to let their representatives know what a catostrophic boondoggle cap-and-trade is going to be. Bo Mama don't want rational and he don't want debate. He wants your money. He wants all of it, and he wants it now. But don't worry -- once he gets it, he'll take good care of it. I mean, after all, a politician wouldn't lie.

    Would he?

    Has he?

    Is he?

     
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    Pmike once again someone assumes I am all over teh Obama bandwagon....I am not. I 100% agree that he is just another rat in the white house. I voted for him out of disgust from the last 8 years. Maybe if Bush was not such a D bag for 8 years people wouldnt have been so in need of a change that they wouldnt have elected this guy. But he came in at the right time and got the vote. McCain is an idiot for getting a moron like Pailin as a running partner because she 100%hurt his chances. A lot of people including myself wouldnt vote for McCain out of fear that he would die in office and leave the country in the hands of that moron. So please dont assume I am some Obama w hore cause i am not. He is not "my boy" what so ever. He is not above getting sh*t on by me, I dont trust him and I dont like how he dresses things up the way he does. Not to mention he needs to get his a ss off my TV screen and back to work. This guy loves seeing his face on TV and it makes me sick, he is not a realality TV star he is the f*cking president of the USA. And listen I am not all about global warming either, this forum gets very boring sometime with the lack of posts in teh dead season so this thread is just a good way to keep on chatting while at work haha. Do I beleave in global warming? yes i do, but am i closed to the idea that I could be wrong? not at all but in a debate i clearly have to make my side of the argument known so thats all this is. I didnt think so many people would come out against global warming, i was just trying to get away from the abortion posting haahhahahaha and wanted to see what 347 would say.
     
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    Taz all I did was ask you a question so chill the f*** out.  If global warming is a problem then we need to know the appropriate response, if only generally.  Sure we can all do little things like turning off electrical appliances when we're not using them and taking public transportation and so forth, but when you're talking about forcing the country to spend billions upon billions of dollars on green energy and shutting down whole American industries then we need to step back and ask (1) could we save more lives by spending that money on malaria treatments or famine relief, etc. and (2) are we really saving any lives by shutting down all these industries?
     
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    killa, you have to find a way to divorce your feelings about actual climate theory from what dear leader is trying to do in the name of it.

    While people who claim to know dither over whether or not the data is real or the conclusions are accurate, many people are conveniently forgetting the elephant in the room, which is that cap-and-trade will not appreciably diminish the international carbon footprint. They're not talking primarily about limiting output, they're talking about charging you for the emissions you produce. Those who don't mind paying the tax will pay it, those who do will move to a country that doesn't punish industry for spurring the economy. This energy tax is not designed to save the planet, it's designed to bankroll Bo Mama's socialist agenda.

    I believe it was Margaret Thatcher herself who said, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

    Eithere that, or somebody just made that up.
     
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    "This energy tax is not designed to save the planet, it's designed to bankroll Bo Mama's socialist agenda." -pmike

    "I 100% agree that he is just another rat in the white house." -Taz

    "You just care about your agenda--the Statist agenda." -Ritchie

    I don't understand how, if so many people hate the government, the same parties keep getting elected every year?  Let's try something new guys.
     
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    Mighty I apoligize for lashing out at you it just started to feel like i was being backed into a corner so my bad bro.

    I agree it s ucks that the same people keep getting elected. Because right now, teh Democrats are republicans and the republicans are crazy so we dont even have a Leftie party anymore. Just one big right wing. I would vote for the green party everytime if it would work but it wont, and you know why? Far too many stupid people live in this country. People who vote for republican D bags because they are "loyle" to the republican party which is BS or because some guy like Bush says "hey I beleave in teh same god as you" and it is just that simple. If this country was full of intelligent people there would have been a bloddy coup during the Bush administration. People would have revolted against the goverment or at least impeached the man. What this country needs is a true party, how many people think that pot should be legal? or that gay marrige should be legal? and so on and so forth, there must be at least hundreds of thousends of people if not millions who think this way, and none of them are represented in D.C. why is that noen of these thousends of people have a party? no voice what so ever because there is no longer a left wing anymore and even when there was they didnt represent the people i am talking about. Its BS and I agree I wish we could stop votingin the same D bags over and over again.
     
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    Show of hands, please:

    Who was surprised when "Change You Can Believe In!" turned out to be "The Same Old Thing"?
     
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    PMike, I didnt look at it that way, good point. I agree with you all the cap and trade will do is allow the same D bags to keep doing what they are doing but now they have to pay for it. How the heck is paying a fine? or a "tax" gonna help the earth? its just some Rat in the White House trying to take more money. I agree with you sorry I didnt realize this sooner.
     
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    You know what the problem was Pmike? People were so sick of Bush and his BS that they were ready to beleave anything, "Change you can beleave in" translates into "Atleast its not Bush" and people were just like yay! no more moron in the white house! and for a few months when ever i would try and say something bad about Obama friends of mine would come to his defence and say but at least he is not Bush. Now people are starting to see that Obama is a fake like all the rest the only difference was his skin color. I would get into full blown arguments with friends when they would give me the "at least he is not Bush" argument, cause although I am more happy then anyone that the right wing lost it does not give Obama a get out of jail free card just cause he is not Bush. Bush was such a bad president that the people in this country voted for a guy named barrack husan Obama, 10 years ago we wouldnt have voted for him on his name alone but after Bush we were ready for anyone. that is exactly what happened, Bush happened and it changed everything, he was so bad at his job that people were ready t beleave anything as long as it wasnt right wing. And the Sarah Pailin came along and just made it easy to win the election. God she was a bad person for that job what were the republicans thinking.
     
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    "Some people have to be told by their goverment that they need to make a change for the sake of the plannet. ...a few good people wont solve the problem so thats why they are taking away some freedoms."
     
    When I said that you are a Statist, I was not name calling, but simply saying you want a large, central government, high taxes to pay for said government, some sort of "nanny" state, and you agree with the principals of socialism. I'm stating this because it is important to note.
    The problem with that political view is it goes against everything the Founding Fathers stood for, everything that has made this country great, and every opportunity given to you and I.
    I do not want Big Brother running every part of my life. I don't want to lose my freedoms beause it takes away the hope for opportunity that I'd like to pass along to my children.

    Now onto Global Warming. Here are some very important questions that must be answered:
    What is the most ideal temperature of Earth? How do we know that the current global temperature is most ideal? Is it possible that a warmer or cooler global temperature is most ideal?
    What caused Earth to be significantly warmer and colder in the last 20,000 years? Since the internal-combustion engine had not been invented until a little over 100 years ago, what caused all those other climate changes? And can those forces still be at work over the last 100 years?
    If all of human effort cannot control a hurricane, tornado or even a thunderstorm, how can humans effect global weather?
    Have we been accurately collecting enough data for an appropriate period of time to make any assertions on global temperature changes? 

    That's a good starting point.

    Now I will go onto a few of the popular "Global Warming" arguements.
    First, CO2 emmisions. 
    Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

    Next, consensus among scientist.
    First, it is important to know that many of the scientists that agree with man-made Global Warming are not in fields that specifically study rising (or falling) global temperatures. They are instead studing the so-called effects of Global Warming (and getting large federal grants to do so). See the difference?
    The Calgory Herald reported, "the UN claimed 2,500 scientists supported its key claim that human-generated greenhouse gases are the primary cause of global warming. But those 2,500 weren't asked to support it--they were only asked to review it. Only 62 completed the review, and 55 had serious concerns, leaving a total of seven to support the science that is the basis of the IPCC climate-change policy."
    http://www.calgaryherald.com/called+cons...4966/story.html

    Next, the Earths global temperatures are rising.
    The fact is, the global temperature of the earth has not risen since the late 1990's. And even the data that supports that global temperature rise is put into question because some of the weather stations in the coldest parts of Russia were offline and the United State's NASA weather reporting stations (which are the official weather collection sites for studying global temperatures) had more than half of their sites out of regulations. So "Global Warming" may have actually peaked prior to 1998.

    Also, that climate change cannot be caused by natural elements.
    There's too much to write on this, but here is a good read:
    http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/1...earth_ice_age-0

    Finally (for now), it's important to note where the whole Global Warming theories came from. Here is a good read for that:
    http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
     
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    I agree we need a revolution because right now our government only cares about one thing:  oil.  It will wage whatever wars it has to in order to line the pockets of the fatcats who have us all enslaved to oil.  They don't care how many American soldiers or civilians or people in other countries die, they will do whatever it takes to control the world's oil supply. 
     
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    "Because right now, teh Democrats are republicans and the republicans are crazy so we dont even have a Leftie party anymore. Just one big right wing."

    If you believe that, I don't even want to know how far left you really are. The term Statist might not even apply.
     
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    "Just out of curiosity, since you dont like teh idea of losing freedoms in this country, how did you feel about the Patriot Act? Just wondering."

    I did not/do not support the Patriot Act. I'm directly effected by it more than you know. 
     
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    Killa et al
    One thing I know is that if you make it difficult, people will not try to do things that save the planet.  If you tax people in order to force them to "go green" they won't.  If you make regulations to recycle, few will comply.  It's just the nature of man to not do what he's told (Adam in the Garden).  We don't like being told what to do.  A better government approach would be to give incentives if particular behavior is followed.  We're always ready to comply if it will get us something.
    As far as GW in particular, I personally don't believe it's good science, but I haven't done the research, probably because I don't care as much as I should.  Like Mighty, I think there are more pressing needs, mainly spiritual.  Not that I'm trying to trash the planet (I have solar panels to heat my pool and I just bought a used Prius!).  However, I was eating my Whopper in a parking lot a few years back and this trash truck pulls up to the recycle area next to me and loads up with paper and cardboard.  He then goes over to BK and loads up on all the overcooked whoppers and used pepsi cups from their dumpster.  I couldn't believe it.  That kind of soured me on the whole recycling thing. 
     
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    Show of hands, please: Who was surprised when "Change You Can Believe In!" turned out to be "The Same Old Thing"?
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    Oh yeah, and I planted about 16 trees this year too!  But you do realize that it's all gonna burn, right?

    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

     
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    "We don't like being told what to do."

    I agree. It's human nature to cling to what we perceive to be the cherished truth that we learned as innocent kids from infallible adults. We don't like it when someone challenges it and we'll attempt to prove otherwise when we're told that the climate is changing, or we're going to run out of oil and we might have no choice but to drive a strange car that doesn't look like Daddy's Oldsmobile and isn't 24 feet long and can't go 140 mph, or we're eating delicious garbage, and even the so-called healthy foods might be contaminated, and there's too many people but someone will make you feel better by saying that's hysterical raving and show you a picture of the Sahara Desert to prove everything's ok, and we don't like to be reminded that we continue to build and live in places like New Orleans and Bangladesh because it's comfortable and the soil is fertile so we're determined to protect those places with reassuring piles of dirt, or we're led to believe that there's a pill out there for every ailment in existence, and if it doesn't exist, a pharmaceutical supplier and ad agency will invent an illness just for you. I think I just rambled...again. I'm sure there are many valid arguments against global warming. However, when you wake up one morning, and you're informed that there's 6 feet of seawater in the Big Dig ( I was going to say Wall Street but then, a lot of people would approve of Wall Street being inundated ), you'll be angry and wonder why no one ever did anything about climate change while we still had time. Go Pats! 
     
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