Re: A question about Dungy
posted at 7/4/2009 10:31 AM EDT
"Kennedy got us involved in Viet Nam, and Johnson wasn't strong enough to get us out of there early."
Eisenhower got us involved in Viet Nam. Despite what has been speculated to the contrary, Kennedy would have continued in Viet Nam, with the same loss of life and eventual defeat. Johnson was neither strong nor weak. After the murder of JFK, he had to do what the CIA and the military wanted or else.
Establish without a doubt who was in charge of foreign and military policy and send a steady supply of expendable warm bodies overseas and money to contractors, some of whom just happened to be Johnson's Texas pals.
"Nixon was the one who wanted to pull out, but did not want to concede defeat (maybe that was a lingering personal issue)."
Nixon said that during the campaign of 1968. Just the thing to say since the unpopular war was being run by the incumbent party. Throw them out and bring in Dick to cure everything by bombing Hanoi and sending in Kissinger to bring us "peace with honor".
"I think George Bush did the same as Nixon, in that he relied too much on guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld, who were themselves "warhawks"."
The difference is that Nixon had a brain which he used to commit criminal acts.
Bush had no brain which he used to commit criminal acts.
"The only way to "win" in Iraq decisively is to wipe them all off the face of the earth...they will never concede defeat, as that would damn them in the eyes of what they believe. And we are unwilling to undertake such a "genocide", thus we are in the same boat as we were in Viet Nam 35 years ago."
I agree ( surprise ). The only military advantage we have is nuclear weapons and the expertise to deploy them ( I know we have robots and subs and aircraft carriers but we never stop sending thousands of our troops to be killed in ratholes ). Our enemies know we'll never use nukes. So what's the point of having them? Do you think bin Laden would hesitate to use one if he had one that he actually knew how to use without irradiating himself first?
"I'd add that in Vietnam (and in Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter) the federal governement really tied the hands of the military in what they could and couldn't do. They used bad social policy to dictate war strategy."
You're damning with faint praise. It wasn't bad social policy. It was deliberate social policy.