I’ve taken out the things we’ve come to agree on or agreed to disagree
(Once again in my opinion if you think the church aired out all of its dirty laundry in the bible you are naive to think so. They might acknowledge that they are not perfect and that they will sin but that does not mean they openly talk about ALL of their sins.
I agree. The Church regularly tries to hide bad behavior. This is not right, but human nature steps in because people don’t want to get caught doing bad things. The Bible says every hidden thing will be revealed, so no one gets away with anything, unless it is covered by the Blood of the Lamb.
For example when was the last time you went to church and they openly bashed their own church?
Bash, no. Correct, yes. I don’t think it is appropriate for a preacher to do this. If all religion is, is hitting us over the head with our past, then there is no point in going to Church. Recognize the sin, repent for it, and help the congregation move on/get better is the role of a preacher. Granted, the world probably wants to see more contrition from Churches, and I agree there is room for it. However, if it was there, I would venture to say that it wouldn’t be considered as genuine.
When was the last time you saw a preacher bad mouth the very church he belongs to for all of the sins I mentioned before that came after the bible was written? Have you ever once seen a preacher stop in the middle of a Sunday morning sermon and say something bad about how all those priests touched little boys?
I’m not Catholic anymore so I cannot say.
I find it hard to believe that they openly talk about their own modern day sins in church on Sundays. If anything they try to move past them and sweep them under the rug. )
I disagree. I have heard preachers address current sin in the Church.
I am getting married in October and when me and my future wife talk about this kind of thing she says how she thinks it would be fun to bring our kids to church on holidays and such and I always tell her if she wants to do that then she can do it but that I will not attend with her. And I will not teach my kids to go to church or any of it. If they grow up and choose to become church going people then I am 100% with them making that choice once they have all the information to make a educated choice but I will not force religion on them the way so many other people do. )
Congrats on your wedding.
They won’t be able to have all the information unless you support your future wife taking them to Church. Holidays are ok, but to get the complete picture, regular attendance would be required. Otherwise, kids usually (not always) follow the example of their parents.
Only church people try and say being gay is a choice everyone else see’s it for what it is which is they do not make a choice to be gay they are just gay.)
You have no proof, just like I have no proof. Both are suppositions. Since that is the case, do I have the right to say you and all those that agree with you are wackos? I’d rather the debate continue.
(Exactly my point, you will leave church and think wow the preacher really missed on this one thing but do you challenge him?
I have challenged many preachers on many subjects. I feel it is my responsibility to challenge them if I feel they are dividing the word incorrectly. Small things that I feel are insignificant, I won’t challenge on, but major points of doctrine, I will definitely approach them.
You know its hard to believe that everyone agrees with the church on everything but yet no one challenges them? Why because then you become an outsider in your own church.
If they kick you out because of a challenge, it was time to find another Church anyway.
( I like the sound of that, I am not being a joker either that truly sounds nice to hear, we need the church because we need each other that’s a nice way to look at it. I just don’t see it that way. I am one of those people who hate most people lol so I honestly don’t feel like I need people. I need the people I need, I need my future wide because I love her and she is my lady lol but I don’t need a church full of people. I get what your saying though it just does not apply to me personally.)
Ok, but I think you’re depriving yourself of good company, or at least a good laugh now and then or a good place to find people you can hate!!!
(true you the people are not in church because your perfect you are correct and you the people are there for salvation I get that but the preachers and the higher up’s are not you, they are not there for salvation they are there to give you salvation as if they are god themselves.
You’ll find disingenuous people everywhere and Church is no exception. I can either choose to be part of the solution or the problem and abandon ship. Like I said before, Jesus loves the Church (people) so I must strive to do the same.
(See I would say people change people, god has nothing to do with it. Unless you have some photo of god coming down from heaven and putting his godly hands on a sinner and “changing” them. I think people will take comfort in god and use that comfort to help themselves change but that does not mean god literally changed them. And I did not say Science changes human nature, you asked me to name one thing that we have progressed other then technology in the last 12000 years and I answered you. Science since 12000 year ago has told us that we are not the center of the universe and that the sun is in fact the center of our universe a point that Galiao had to die for because it went again what the church was saying at that time. They literally killed a man for not lying about his findings, they wanted him to lie and he would not so they put him to death. That does not sound very godly to me. With Science man has progressed since the bible was written which is why in some backward a ss states you still can not talk about Evolution in some classrooms. Because god forbid you bring in an alternate theory into the world other then Adam and Eve.)
Actually, Galileo was not killed, but he was put under house arrest.
“Following a papal trial in which he was found vehemently suspect of heresy, Galileo was placed under house arrest and his movements restricted by the Pope. From 1634 onward he stayed at his country house at Arcetri, outside of Florence. He went completely blind in 1638 and was suffering from a painful hernia and insomnia, so he was permitted to travel to Florence for medical advice. He continued to receive visitors until 1642, when, after suffering fever and heart palpitations, he died.” Wikipedia
Also why is that there is no outrage by the church that in some states people can marry and have sex with their pets but you are all up in arms about gays getting married? Kind of screwed up.)
I’d agree with that. I’ve never heard of it so do you know which states?
(Because it is there right to get marred that’s why, maybe in some third world country it is expectable to deny some people the same rights as others but we live in America and if they want to use the word married so they can tell their babies that they are married mommys and daddys then that is there right. Who are you (not you directly of course) to tell someone else what they can and cant do? What makes your opinion so important? If they want to get married they should be allowed to, the people standing in the way are not god and they can not speak for him I don’t care what the good book says you can not speak for him. If god is truly on your side on thi subject then why has he not come down to smite these sinners? If he would be truly upset about gays getting married then where is he to stop them? Cause Tony Dungy is not god and neither is anyone else in the church.)
I refer you to the story of Sodom and Gommorah in the Bible. However, that was in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, God has deferred punishment until the great White Throne judgment. Right now, He is giving all men a chance to repent. Since Jesus is the sacrifice for sin (both the act and the nature), there is no judgement. Men will not be judged anymore by what they do, but by what they are (children of God or children of the devil).
(well if the wacko’s with in your faith did not make it so easy for the “liberal” media to paint that picture they wouldn’t paint it. And that goes for the wacko’s in all faiths not just yours of course)
(Because it is the right thing to do. And I thought going to church was soopossed to teach to do the right thing. If it is as simple as a definition then why do you care so much? It seems to me that the church is simply afraid of change. The fought change when it was science trying to change our knowledge of the world around us and now they are doing it with the gays)
I’d say that the right thing is to follow what the Bible says. If you don’t accept the Bible, then you can justify any type of behavior. As a Churchgoer, I’m not afad of change that doesn’t go against the Word of God. Like I said before, there is nothing progressive about sin.