Re: A tale of the fourth; Patriots offense vs. defense, who's to blame?
posted at 10/24/2012 9:41 PM EDT
In response to pezz4pats' comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
So? New England didn't conjure a single postseason 4 minute 4th Q drive in 2001. Only one in 2003. And only one in 2004. Four minute plus drives are rare when you are trying to kill clock because the other team knows what you are doing, and you sometimes sacrifice the play that might get the most yards (a pass) for the play that will guarantee the clock keeps moving (a run).
It's obvious this subtlety is sort of lost on people here, but what's new on B.com.
They won three games with a last second FG in that span.
Pretty please don't talk about what I don't know, when we are *seriously* (still?!?!?!?!?) having a conversation about the offensive shortcomings of the New England Patriots "holding back" their defense.
The only fantasy football going on here is the collective fantasy that this defense New England has put together is anything but absolutely terrible.
Stop teams from scoring. Period.
If they didn't play opposite this offense they would be last in the league in every category.
Finally, the difference between this team, and those teams that won superbowls is not: how often they run it, who runs it, when they run it, how long they hold the ball in the 4th quarter, when they score their points, etc, etc, etc. In EVERY SINGLE FACET this offense is superior to those they fielded then. Every aspect is better.
The defense is miles and miles and miles and miles and miles worse.
New England won't be a serious contender until that is fixed.
Forget it, the doops will never learn. They hate stats because they obviously paint a different picture than their distorted perceptions. NO team, not even the #1, O scores in every quarter!
They haven't a clue on how OFF BASE they are but are sticking too it.
Here's some interesting stats: Though I don't know why I bother.
The Pats 0 ranks 10th in 4th quarter scoring to date. That is far from their reality.
They so far are averaging 7.9 points in the 4th. Last year they averaged 8.0 points in the 4th.
1st qtr they rank 2nd, 2nd qtr they rank 13th (Their worst qtr), 3rd they rank 3rd,
On the other deformed hand, the D ranks as follows In points allowed:
1st qtr. 13th, 2nd qtr. 10th, 3rd qtr. 20th, and 4th. 27th .
In the 4th qtr. they are giving up 8.7 points/qtr. Last year they gave up 6.7 points in the 4ths.
That's 2 more points per quarter than last years 31st ranked D.
They are also on the field 4 minutes LESS p/g than last years D. Boohoo they're tired from the O not scoring. Rubbish!
This D truly would be last in every single catagory imaginable WITH OUT the strength of the O.
Take that to the bank and quit blaming the offense that has been carrying the D for 3+ years .
And, AT LEAST, given that New England is #1 in rushing attempts in the NFL this season, and 5th in TOP, I don't have to hear about how those abysmal defensive metrics are *really* a result of the offense not handing it off.
The defense stinks. They get bullied around by teams who want to chew clock up and keep Brady off the field, they get cut to bits by teams that want to score tons of points. They fold 9 times out of 10 when staked to a one score lead.
Maybe they'll get better as the season wears on, but we've been saying that for a few seasons now, and it always ends the same way. At some point the offense can't score all game long, and then the defense does what it always does, folds up like a lawn chair.
If your offense is there 90% of the time, and your defense is there 10% of the time, when you lose on that 1 out of 10 that your offense isn't there it reflects a higher degree of intelligence to try and improve the unit that could stand improvement much, much easier.
Getting from where the Pats offense is now (best in the NFL) to perfect is much much more difficult than improving this defense from its current victim status to something respectable.