Aaron Schobel

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    Re: Aaron Schoebel

    Yup..As long as he plays as good this year as he did last year bring him in. The guys a freak and I'm a big fan of freaks. Belichick would find a roster spot for him. He loves veteran all pro guys.
     
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    Wait a minute since when does Buffalo play the 3-4?  I thought Schobel was a 4-3 end, don't see how he could play RDE in our 3-4.

     
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    Wait a minute since when does Buffalo play the 3-4?  I thought Schobel was a 4-3 end, don't see how he could play RDE in our 3-4.
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    He is but when your that good they can find a place where you can have and impact. They wouldn't have to throw any giant money at him and he's a menace in passing situations.
     
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    Not so sure it would be about money. Maybe.  He is owed 8 million guaranteed and they haven't even signed Spiller who will command a huge contract as the first RB taken in the draft. Second, Buffalo is struggling to sell tickets and with their finances in general. Their stadium is old, seats aren't selling there anymore and it's a pretty depressed area as is Jacksonville. Last, Marshawn Lynch is on the block for the same reason$. If Schobel takes a paycut to stay with Buffalo, I can see it. If he retires, what is the rule? Can he retire and then sign with another team in the same month?
    Posted by russgriswold


    I don't know what the exact rule is but if he retires he is still forever the property of the Bills even if he comes back 2 years down the road. We have bargaining chips though and could rework his deal a little. I actually thought you were talking about next year, I didn't know this was happening this year. No cap this  year though, if it's just a 1 year thing.
     
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    Bring him in definately,
    he kills us so why not have him on our side.........I think most of the retirement talk is because he is tired of losing in buffalo!
     
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    BUMP....
    I wouldn't mind giving Aaron a shot here if we can get our hands on him!  Didn't JR Seau retire from Dolphins then play for the Pats that same year?  I can't remember but I thought that is what happened.....
     
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         Schobel was going to be asked to switch from DE to OLB in Buffalo's new 3-4 defense. This switch may have played a part in his reluctance to come to camp...along with playing for one of the worst teams in the NFL...that seems to be in a perpetual rebuilding mode.

         The Pats struck out with Derrick Burgess last year...and it cost them 3rd and 5th round picks in the 2010 draft. Would they be willing to offer up a 6th rounder for Schobel? Will Buffalo be willing to trade within the division? Should the Pats wait until he's released, before knocking on his door? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/02/bills-decide-to-divorce-aaron-schobel/
     
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    would love to see the club take a flyer on him if he is indeed released by Buffalo...
     
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    Report: Schobel expects release, wants to talk to other teams

    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 2, 2010 12:23 PM ET

    We noted just an hour ago that the Bills have decided to move on from Aaron Schobel, and said how difficult it will be to trade him.

    They aren't going to try.

    NFL Network's Jason La Canfora says Schobel was informed the Bills will cut him.  More importantly, Schobel is "very much interested" in talking to other teams.  (So basically he wanted out of Buffalo and got what he wanted.)

    There should be a healthy market for Schobel's services, even this late in the offseason.  Here are some teams that would make sense on paper.  (Speculation warning.  We're just throwing stuff against the wall here.)

    * The New England Patriots: Changing schems could make this an awkward fit, but the Patriots desperately need a pass rusher.  No player has sacked Tom Brady more times and Bill Belichick loves getting guys that have hurt his team.

    * The Houston Texans: Schobel lives nearby and they could use another pass rusher.Some teams that make sense on paper. 

    * Tennessee Titans: They like veterans  and could use an end.

    * Atlanta Falcons: Another team short at defensive end.  Falcons G.M. Thomas Dimitroff say Schobel plenty in the AFC East.

     
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    Unless Aaron Schobel really wants to play for Houston, (which there is speculation he might, considering he lives near that area), then I fully expect Bill Belichick & CO. to contact Schobel and ask for his services once he is officially cut loose from Buffalo. This guy could very easily be the best pass rushing OLB in the NFL next season. He may not be a coverage guy, but if you can get him in here to play the edge, you'll have yourself a great presence to work with. I'm praying he comes to New England.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Aaron Schoebel : That would mean he faked interest in returning knowing they would release him at 8 million, if that is true. Also, the story about his family looking for places to rent in Buffalo this year would not be true. I am not sure if I buy that it is the 3-4 thing that had him running away. I think it has more to do with being sick and tired of playing for nothing. If I am BB, I swoop in here with a hard sales pitch and get it done.
    Posted by russgriswold[/QUOTE]

    No doubt. Especially considering Belichicks pension for going after guys who played well against his teams. Welker/Morris. Shoebel has been one of Brady's worst nightmares his entire career. I would take him for his pass rush over Ogunleye. Willie n Vrabel were never great in coverage but that can be disguised to an extent. Not suggesting he would be more then a situational player but that is what we run, Sub Packages!
     
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    sign him he was a serious threat to the health of brady for the past few years, and had quite a few sacks last year on the bills defense. I could see him with at least 6 sacks if he played for us, being used in sub packages.  The addition of schoebel would make me feel much more confident in our pass rush. Plus seeing the look on the face of my roommate (who is a bills fan) when schoebel sacks their QB this year would be priceless.
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more RUSS!  I really hope they can land Schobel.  It would be nice to have this guy on our team instead of always watching him put pressure on Brady! -
    This guy would burst thru his uniform to get out of Buffalo and play here (or even elsewhere)...but hope it's here!

    Go get em BB! We need some beef on the outside to put pressure on opposing QBS!!
     
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    Buddy nixes talk of releasing Schobel

    Aaron Schobel may want to talk to other teams as a free agent, but the Bills won't let him.

    Following a report that said Schobel learned he would be released, Bills G.M. Buddy Nix says Schobel isn't going anywhere for free.

    "He will remain on our Reserve/Did Not Report list until he makes a decision about what he wants to do, whether it's retire or if he might want to play somewhere else," said Nix.

    Chris Brown of BuffaloBills.com says it's clear the team won't release Schobel and that the only options for the defensive end is retirement or a trade.

    Schobel insists he's not sure if he wants to play again, and will take the next two weeks to decide. It can't help matters that he would have to potentially wait out a sticky trade process.  It's unlikely any team will want to take on his present contract.

    Still Schobel says he's relieved the Bills made up his mind for him.

    "I kept changing my mind. This makes it easier," he said
     
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    [QUOTE]Ok, so this guy is 33 and always played in a 4-3, but if Buffalo tells him they do not want him back because they have already moved on, anyone like him coming in for a look at RDE? It would appear unlikely based upon the number of bodies they have on the DL right now, but I always liked his motor and production.
    Posted by russgriswold[/QUOTE]

    Sorry but Scobel isn't going to play DE in a 3-4 weighing 240 something pounds. If he switched to a 3-4 it would be as an OLB. The question is can he be talked into doing that for a better team than the Bills since he expressed a lack of interest in doing it in Buffalo.

    He could be used as a pass rush specialist as a DE in a 4-3 set that the Patriots sometimes go to.... But if you are going to think along those lines, Ogunleye is actually rated higher as a 4-3 DE Pass Rush Specialist according to Pro Football Focus and the Patriots appear to be passing on him, at least at this time.
     
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    It'd be VERY difficult to trade a guy who's contract has him billed at $50mil for the next 4 years.

    I think he'd have to renegotiate first...

    Otherwise maybe he could return to the Bills really really late and they'd just be fed up with him and eventually cut him.

    The longer he waits, the more likely the Bills will cut him or trade him for cheap.
     
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    Schobel is the kind of guy that could fit on this team despite the fact that he's more of a 4-3 end than a 3-4 end.  Belichick was always good at getting vets who wanted to win and who had something left in the tank (Cox, Phifer, Harrison, etc.).  Schobel fits that mold.  He addresses a major need (pass rush) and could probably help in limited snaps, the ones Burgess would've had.
     
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    I doubt the Bills were really ever going to just release this guy. I think they just baited Shoebel into making it known he would play for another team and not just retire. You don't just release a guy with his production because your team is terrible. You trade him for something, anything. I know his contract is tough but sign and trades or restructures can always happen.

    To the other point I would still take Shoebel over Ogunleye but the latter probably would come at a more economic price.
     
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    If we are going to spend $6M+ for Shoebel and possibly acquire him via trade, I would look to someone else via trade to fill the OLB role. I have no doubt Shoebel can help with the pass rush and even play the run well. I'm not convinced like TBC that he can drop into coverage. I'd hate to be exposed on both sides with this weakness. 

    I've been thinking about who we could acquire via trade and can't come up with any names other than the usual suspects like Woodley who I believe is not available. I tried to consider our past trading partners and who BB has relationships with. One guy I would really like us to consider is Andre Carter from Washington. He has prototypical 3-4 OLB size at 6'4"/252lbs and is productive. I don't see Shanahan trading him, unless possible the price is right. How about a 2nd rounder plus a player or two?....Washington needs OL, WR, possible another TE. Thoughts? 



     
     
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    russ...if Shoebel hits the streets, then a bidding war starts...i don't see a lot of interested teams, but you never know. 

    I can't see Shoebel playing 3-4 OLB. I'm just not sure he has the speed at this point in his career or can drop back into coverage...I can see him playing 4-3 DE, but then he is similar to TBC in that he is a pass rush specialist first, set the edge second...agree?...

    I think if we did sign him, we would have to release one of our DE/DT's to accomodate Shoebel. Who would that be?...Lewis?

    I wish sometimes we would change our defensive alignment better to accomodate our talent. it appears now our strength is in a 4-3, especially if we look at Shoebel.




     
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    I'd honestly be willing to fork over their 2nd rounder next year for his rights.

    I know that's a high price but he's EXACTLY what they need: a guy who can get to the QB on passing downs. The fact that they have Carolina's 2nd rounder in 2011 (plus an extra first rounder) would soften the blow.

    I wouldn't even worry about the 4-3 or 3-4 thing, because the Pats will line up in 4-3 sets more than the usual 3-4 "base" defensive team does anyway.

     
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    [QUOTE]     Schobel was going to be asked to switch from DE to OLB in Buffalo's new 3-4 defense. This switch may have played a part in his reluctance to come to camp...along with playing for one of the worst teams in the NFL...that seems to be in a perpetual rebuilding mode.      The Pats struck out with Derrick Burgess last year...and it cost them 3rd and 5th round picks in the 2010 draft. Would they be willing to offer up a 6th rounder for Schobel? Will Buffalo be willing to trade within the division? Should the Pats wait until he's released, before knocking on his door? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/02/bills-decide-to-divorce-aaron-schobel/
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Really? You'd only give a sixth rounder for him?

    I'd try not to let our burgess experiment sour us on trading. I did think they gave up too much for burgess. A third rounder is BIG in NFL trades and then throwing in a fifth, too? Even if he actually bore some resemblance to the player he once was, we would have been paying too much, IMHO.

    But, I think it would be a mistake to let the sad burgess experiment keep us from making other similar deals. Obviously, we're in desperate need of a DE pass rusher and Shoebel is only 33 with 10 sacks last year. When's the last time we got 10 sacks out of that position? Richard Seymour never had more than 8!

    I'd offer a fourth or even a third for the guy and consider ourselves lucky to have got him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Aaron Schoebel : Really? You'd only give a sixth rounder for him? I'd try not to let our burgess experiment sour us on trading. I did think they gave up too much for burgess. A third rounder is BIG in NFL trades and then throwing in a fifth, too? Even if he actually bore some resemblance to the player he once was, we would have been paying too much, IMHO. But, I think it would be a mistake to let the sad burgess experiment keep us from making other similar deals. Obviously, we're in desperate need of a DE pass rusher and Shoebel is only 33 with 10 sacks last year. When's the last time we got 10 sacks out of that position? Richard Seymour never had more than 8! I'd offer a fourth or even a third for the guy and consider ourselves lucky to have got him.

    Posted by unclealfie[/QUOTE]

    Can't argue with a 3rd considering we gave a 3rd for Burgess. With 24 picks in the last 2 years how many more 2nd 3rd round draft pick do we need to use? Can't get much younger on D. I wouldn't trade a 2nd though.
     
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    i'd give a 4th which could turn into a 3rd if he gets over 8 sacks.
     
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    Seeing you all write about trade offers for Schobel makes me cringe. Brings back bad memories of me not liking the Burgess trade. I hope it brings the same thoughts for the Patriots to.

    The Burgess trade was bad enough for giving what they gave for an aging avg player but now if he retires the deal looks even worse because you did all that for one avg uneventful year or service.
     
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