Absolutely Priceless

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    Yep and this is why this offseason is particularly interesting/exciting. We have money and there is a lot of talent available (especially in the secondary). Thanks to this situation, we could potentially resign Welker (or add another WR), sign a S (Wilson? Reed?) and a CB (Talib? Grimes? DRC? Asomaugha? etc...), and fill in the rest of the gaps with smaller signings and the draft.

    I expect a much improved version of the team next year, on both sides of the ball. If we can get improvement from some of our 2nd year guys (Jones, Higtower, T. Wilson, Dennard), watch out.

     

     
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    Teams that are in salary cap trouble are lead by the Jets.  This thing is getting gutted.  The Saints are going to be a shadow of their former selves.  Under rated OT Jermon Bushrod is probably gone.  Of course where would the salary cap issue be without the Cowboys?  Team is a mess.  Good job Jerry.  Seems like the Panthers have but themselves in a spot.  This caught me by surprise.  They are pretty much over paying everybody.  The Eagles are in a bit a trouble too but it can be helped out with the release of Asomugha.  He isn't the only issue but he is the biggest one.  The Steelers are on the board.  Almost a who's who of FA.  Hampton, Harrison, Wallace and Mendenhall.  Yikes!  The Lions and Raiders are losers in this battle as well.  Cliff Avril will not be easily replaced.  Super Bowl winners Baltimore are in a spot even with the retirement of Lewis.  They are going to lose some talent.

     
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    Yes, yes, we all know what the Pats do.  As Reiss put it succinctly 

    So what they've been able to do is maintain a strong enough middle class of the roster at a time when the middle class is being squeezed out for many teams, while drafting and developing enough talent to remain a Super Bowl contender.

    The question is whether that strong middle class is enough to put them over the top in playoff games against teams that have more elite players at more positions.  

    There's also a question whether that middle class is really all that strong.  In the defensive backfield, for instance, it's been more low class than middle class . . .

     

     
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    Nevertheless, it's nice to be in a 'winning position' during the offseason.

     
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    In response to RidingWithTheKing's comment:

    Dude just earlier today Mt Hurl mocked my comments on a thread where I said BB is a genius for letting the market come to him. Mocked me outright.  Mt Hurl did it again in the face of utter embarrassment. 

    Then, I see this column.  Priceless.

    These idiots like Mt Hurl, Babe, Pezzy, Triple OG and RKrap simply don't get it. I warned and warned.

    They just wouldn't hear it.

    BB had it nailed. End of story. Whether Kraft was helping or not is irrelevant.   The budgeting, allocating and drafting in and out of the lockout was utter genius.

    Brady will be staring down 2 golden looks at a SB in 2013 and 2014.

    Thank you, BB.



    Could you copy and paste where I "mocked you"...I just want to read it if I did, because it's probably hilarious!!

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    Wow, what a dill weed. Thankfully for all of us Pats fans, you have BB's and Krafts ear. Can you imagine if they hadn't listened to you 3 years ago.

    You are also crediting BB for a lot of Ernie Adams and Nick C's work, as well as the "listener", J Kraft. 

    The cap space has always, and will always be available to the Pats. Yes, they manage it very well, and they make the most cold hearted decisions in football, to their credit. I don't think there has been any criticism of the way the cap is or has been managed. The criticism has been with what was done with the cap, which is on BB. The failure to address the teams glaring needs, or use a band aid fix with over the hill vets is squandering a roster full of talent, depth and HOF QB and coach. 

    Reiss points out all of these players that will be available, but there is an awful lot of mediocrity and aging players in that pool. 

    The bar is at the level of SB or disappointed. The "criticism" you perceive from fans like myself is actually frustration. Lots of squandered opportunities. 100% the situation is bett than Buffalo or the Jets. But I agree with the op above, 12-4 in a weak division and disappointment in the playoffs is getting to me. 




    Thank you! Spot on!

    And let's add...we spent three years in this organization's prime NOT going for it...signing cheap, old and washed up guys because of the fear of "salary cap hell". Now because of that we missed out on the oppurtunity to win another championship, this salary cap hell has left three teams in trouble and when I say in trouble I simply mean they are going to cut some old players and maybe not be able to retain a mid level guy. Big deal.

    The market gets flooded with old, underperforming players every year and this dufus rusty acts like he invented it! Lol! The reason why teams are dumping players is because the salary cap is the most fluid thing in all of sports - no one is in hell over this - guys will be cut, guys will be resigned...business as usual.

    Rusty, email me when therre are boat loads of young talent in their prime to be had because of salary cap hell....imscaredofsalarycaphell@yahoo.com.

     
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    I agree with rkarp on this one. Yes, good work by the pats and bb to manage the cap. However, the lack of signing game changers and going with over the hill or reclamation projects is not doing them any favors. Pony up the cash, bring in a stud or two, and lets get this thing over the finish line. 

     
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    Some "fans" here think we should sign All Pro players at every position regardless of cost, they don't factor in cost, availability and the overall big picture.  Also many cherry pick players and say "so and so" wasn't a good signing, but then don't offer an alternative in the same price range simply because that player didn't exist... in short, we should have signed someone else even though there was nobody available at that price.

    If we were 3-13 or 5-11 over the past "rebuilding" years than I could empathize but from where I'm standing you guys sound like entitled fans, this is football, some players don't work out because their knees were shot or they took too many blows to the skull, not because they weren't good players or a good signing at the time.  

    And I've seen it here too often where fans will praise BB for signing value players like Fanene when he got signed and two years later they're saying I told you so... much like the draft, many fans here are experts 2-3 years in hindsight.  

    "Value" players like Joe Andruzzi, Roman Phifer, Rodney Harrison and Mike Vrabel were the backbone of championship teams, try not to have such a double standard for the ones that don't work out, just do what the Patriots do and move forward.

     
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    What type of contract was goldson offered last year by the pats? Do you know any details?

     
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    Reiss quotes Jerry Reese too .  . seems the Giants GM had the same idea. Maybe Kraft and Belichick aren't the only guys who know their business?  Question is who has had better success coming out of the lockout?  Pats have been more competitive in general, but the Giants actually won a championship.  If the Pats can win a championship next year or two, then I'd say advantage Pats.  If they don't however, the water is a bit muddier.  

    "When your salary cap has been pretty flat for three or four years in a row, it is tough to keep a high number of salaries," New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese said. "Sometimes you have to make some tough decisions."

     
     
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    Yep, what good is being under the cap if you don't bring in good players.  Last year was terrible.  Why waste one's time?  But Rusty does bring up a good point in that there are a lot of FAs out there and they aren't going to get the money they want.  Half the NFL won't be participating in FA because of salary cap issues.  They need about 8mil in cap space just to sign draft picks.  

    For salary cap hell the Jets are in bad shape.  The distraction is the release of so many underachieving players but they are still high.  That's the reason they are shopping Revis.  Even with the axing of all these players they will not be able to be very active in the FA market.  Baltimore and Pittsburgh are two other teams that are struggling just to maintain.

    FA hell is very real.  The Pats underachieving in FA is very real too.

     
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    BB has a masters degree in Economics that probably works well with Capology. Realisitically you can't build an NFL team like it was your fantasy team. Some FA players will underachieve, others will overachieve (Waters). To maintain such a high standard in a league that mandates parity is a remarkable accomplishment.

     
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    i agree BB has done a great job working around the cap, but im not ready to call this offseason a success...they have a lot of work to do in free agency and drafting.

     

    the fact that some people dont appreciate the work BB does, just blows my mind.

     
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    In response to wozzy's comment:

     

    Some "fans" here think we should sign All Pro players at every position regardless of cost, they don't factor in cost, availability and the overall big picture.  Also many cherry pick players and say "so and so" wasn't a good signing, but then don't offer an alternative in the same price range simply because that player didn't exist... in short, we should have signed someone else even though there was nobody available at that price.

    If we were 3-13 or 5-11 over the past "rebuilding" years than I could empathize but from where I'm standing you guys sound like entitled fans, this is football, some players don't work out because their knees were shot or they took too many blows to the skull, not because they weren't good players or a good signing at the time.  

    And I've seen it here too often where fans will praise BB for signing value players like Fanene when he got signed and two years later they're saying I told you so... much like the draft, many fans here are experts 2-3 years in hindsight.  

    "Value" players like Joe Andruzzi, Roman Phifer, Rodney Harrison and Mike Vrabel were the backbone of championship teams, try not to have such a double standard for the ones that don't work out, just do what the Patriots do and move forward.

     




    Ah, Wozzy.

     

    Not true.  Everyone understands the Cap presents limitations and the Pats system is sound but the problem is the Talent.  What good is it to buy 6 pairs of tennis shoes at walmart for $20. that last a month or two.  Why not buy a $120 pair that last 4 years.

    Not only that, but by buying, cheap middling, old, and players; that are cut within the year, causes a major problem called "dead money"

    Last years team was seriously hindered with 1/7th of available cap squandered by dead money. 

    That 18M means instead of Gregory, you get Gold.  Instead of Lloyd you get ????? whomever.  Instead of Fanene, you can AFFORD better.

    People scream about 18M in cap money for a QB.  Well you should be incessed with 18M lost money due to failure because theres not a single thing to show for it.

    These low risk, high reward guys, that recently haven't worked out, cost money.  Money that could go to proven, young and productive players.

    As Reis aptly pointed out, it's what you do with that money that matters.

    That's the fail!  No Rodney, no Phifer, no Vrable, walking through that door; only one year or 3 month rentals with contracts that cost them money for 3 years.

    How much $$$$ and players have they spent to replace Samuels, ALONE?  Jeeze, more than the worth of most 3rd world countries.  Pfft

     
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    This is a nice article with or without the 'gloating' on the Pats situation. Truth is a bunch of teams boxed themselves into a corner in retaining their own good players and signing expensive FAs. Interestingly a team like Philly while in some cap trouble did do one smart thing which is they did not load up their big contracts with big signing bonuses so they can cut a player like Namdi without incuring a crippling dead money hit.

    Pats fans alway scream about the players cut or traded that 'could have made the difference' in a SB run, but the process of roster churn and salary discipline is necessary to maintain a good team in the cap era.

    And ... I still maintain SB winners almost invariably have 'luck' on their side (including the three SBs for the Pats.) This past year Baltimore had about a .001 chance of getting to the AFC championship game let alone winning a SB with 1 minute left in Denver - they beat the odds and the rest is history. You have to limit critical injuries, get a few calls, or a few bouncing balls to bounce right, or a 1% chance to pay off.

    GMs and coaches can control being a playoff team and a 1 or 2 seed (without a truly catastrophic injury list) but they really cannot control creating a SB victory during the off season. We like to think they have that ability, but the reality does not support that.

     
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    Great article.  This is a great piece that explains the "method behind the madness" when it comes to salary cap management, FA contracts, etc...  I'll admit that I can be as guilty as anyone when it comes to knee-jerk reactions when NE passes on "Big Name Free Agents" (Peppers, Mario Williams, etc) or when we let quality players walk because they want too much money (Samuel), but this is a great reminder that BB/Kraft always have the Big Picture and long term outlook in mind.  Just an outstanding organization with terrific buisness sense.  This year, we will no doubt let one of our "Big Name Guys" walk to purse more money elsewhere, and many of us fans will no doubt cuss the move and wonder why BB didn't just "Pay the Man!"  Well, the truth is that if you just "Pay the Man!" every time a big name guy hits the market, then you end up with a roster composed of 5 or 6 talented players and 47 or so below-average fill-ins.  In short, you become the Jets or the 2012 Eagles.  Let's be glad that BB understands the cap limitations and how to best fill out a 53 man roster.  Also, be thankful that he can find quality players like Francis, Fortson, Dennard, Love, etc who were drafted late, or not at all and who account for a very minimal cap hit.  These type of contracts all NE the flexibility to make a move for the right guy when that opportunity does present itself.

     
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