ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE!

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : ok pro, y should anyone ever own a business. you sound like a radical leftie. ok, lets the government own everything for its immoral and indecent for anyone to own anything esp a business.... wage slavery is the classic oxymoron. you may leave and go elsewhere whenever you can or want. again, peterson's point is so off and inappropriate.. there is NOTHING about the nfl players akin to that of any REGULAR worker including non-player employees!
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    Definately...Because as everyone knows, Government breaks up 1 corporate market-monopolizing trust, and the next day The KGB becomes your newspaper-boy.
     
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    Jim Brown is gonna be so dissapointed in him....  Im embarressed for him...
     
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    When you believe that, by nature, some human beings are (and should be) in a dependent and inferior position and other human beings, by nature, are (and should be) in a superior and dominant position, then I think you have adopted the attitude that makes slavery and other forms of exploitation possible. 

    A lot of people on this site have essentially been saying that the players should just shut up and be thankful they are playing football because otherwise they're too stupid to be doing anything but pumping gas. That's the by nature inferior and dependent part . . . 

    At the same time owners are portrayed as virtuous and noble risk takers who deserve to do whatever they want because . . . well they're virtuous and noble risk takers. That's the by nature superior and dominant part . . .

    Back in the 1860s a lot of slave owners defended slavery in almost the same way.  The slaves, they said, should be glad to have been brought to America and have had the privilege of being Christianized, because if they hadn't they'd still be living like pagans in primitive ignorance. The slaves, you see, were unappreciative of what they had been given by their generous owners . . . much as the players, it seems, are unappreciative of what they've been given by their generous owners. 

    And I bring this all up not because I really want to debate it or criticize anyone, but only because UD6 asked for my opinion . . .  

    Oh, and there is a big difference between high-school players freely choosing which college they want to attend and college players being told the one and only professional team they can negotiate with or play for.  One is an expression of freedom and one is a limitation of it.  




     
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    When you believe that, by nature, some human beings are (and should be) in a dependent and inferior position and other human beings, by nature, are (and should be) in a superior and dominant position, then I think you have adopted the attitude that makes slavery and other forms of exploitation possible. 
    I think you are overstating things here a bit.  In this case, the people in a rule making position are owners.  they fund the operation and take on the risk.  By the very essence of private ownership, they then make the rules for their organization within legal parameters or as a result of a bargained agreement.  If you can't accept a hierarchical structure for an organization then you are a socialist, and that is a tough road to travel in this country. 

    A lot of people on this site have been essentially been saying that the players should just shut up and be thankful they are playing football because otherwise they're too stupid to be doing anything but pumping gas. That's the by nature inferior and dependent part . . . 
    A little too simplistic here.  When people like peterson claim being an NFL player is akin to being a slave, then yes, there are plenty of people on this board and elsewhere that are going to take significant issue with that.  I am just waiting for the obligatory, "I've got kids to feed" comment. 

    At the same time owners are portrayed as virtuous and noble risk takers who deserve to do whatever they want because . . . well they're virtuous and noble risk takers. That's the by nature superior and dominant part . . .
    I'll grant you that there are some who are blindly behind the owners.  The fact is, the owners dug this hole.  That said, entrepenuership is considered noble in this society (unless maybe you are the entrepenuer's spouse - apparently those marriages don't often work out).  Risk taking and innovation are revered.  For over 200 years this mentality has served us well as a nation.

    Back in the 1860s a lot of slave owners defended slavery in almost the same way.  The slaves, they said, should be glad to have been brought to America and have had the privilege of being Christianized, because if they hadn't they'd still be living like pagans in primitive ignorance. The slaves, you see, were unappreciative of what they had been given by their generous owners . . . much as the players, it seems, are unappreciative of what they've been given by their generous owners. 
    And yet we are not talking about anything close to slavery, are we?  These players have other leagues in which they can play, other professions they can pursue.  Certainly that college degree (don't tell me they went to college just to be professional athletes) they earned can position them well for opportunities in the "real world".  Heck, maybe they could become a business owner themselves.  

    Beyond that if you can't see the perspective of some of us "common men" who would gladly trade places for the income and opportunity the current players discredit, then you may be guilty of the same narrow view you find in others.

    And I bring this all up not because I really want to debate it or criticize anyone, but only because UD6 asked for my opinion . . .

     
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    UD . . . I think up above I already said that I don't think the working conditions of NFL players are anything like slavery.  But I don't think that's what Peterson was really saying either.  Remember he continues "there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way."  

    All I think he meant was that the attitudes of the owners . . . that "we make the rules and you just have to abide by them" . . . is a little akin to the attitude of slave owners. 

    And, I think he's right--at least to some extent. So I guess I don't understand why everyone is so anxious to jump all over this guy for saying something that is exaggerated no doubt but does contain a kernel of truth (at least in my opinion).

    In fact, the outrage over Peterson's statement seems more exaggerated that the statement itself.  I wonder why that is? 


     
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    [QUOTE]When you believe that, by nature, some human beings are (and should be) in a dependent and inferior position and other human beings, by nature, are (and should be) in a superior and dominant position, then I think you have adopted the attitude that makes slavery and other forms of exploitation possible.  A lot of people on this site have essentially been saying that the players should just shut up and be thankful they are playing football because otherwise they're too stupid to be doing anything but pumping gas. That's the by nature inferior and dependent part . . .  At the same time owners are portrayed as virtuous and noble risk takers who deserve to do whatever they want because . . . well they're virtuous and noble risk takers. That's the by nature superior and dominant part . . . Back in the 1860s a lot of slave owners defended slavery in almost the same way.  The slaves, they said, should be glad to have been brought to America and have had the privilege of being Christianized, because if they hadn't they'd still be living like pagans in primitive ignorance. The slaves, you see, were unappreciative of what they had been given by their generous owners . . . much as the players, it seems, are unappreciative of what they've been given by their generous owners.  And I bring this all up not because I really want to debate it or criticize anyone, but only because UD6 asked for my opinion . . .   Oh, and there is a big difference between high-school players freely choosing which college they want to attend and college players being told the one and only professional team they can negotiate with or play for.  One is an expression of freedom and one is a limitation of it.  
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    Ummm, not quite, actually, not even close. The slaves were forcibly removed from their homeland, chained to a ship and sailed thousands of miles away from their families. Then they were sold off to the highest bidder, forced into sevitude for no wages, and beaten mercilessly if they did not comply or acted out. No one is forcing anyone to play in the NFL. That is a choice the player gets to makes. If you have the ability and choose to go to work in the NFL, then you have to live by the rules that are established and that all players and teams live by (including the rule that the NFL was given an exemption from the Sherman Act prohibiting monopolies because the league as a whole supercedes each individual team). By following these rules, you are then compensated very well when measured against 95% of our society. Comparing these two sets of circumstances is outrageous.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! :   No one is forcing anyone to play in the NFL. That is a choice the player gets to makes.[QUOTE]

    Yeah, no one is forcing an accountant to be an accountant either. But if all the accounting firms collude to limit an accountant's employment choices to only one accounting firm, that's illegal. The fact that the accountant could bag groceries instead is irrelevant.

    [QUOTE] If you have the ability and choose to go to work in the NFL, then you have to live by the rules that are established and that all players and teams live by [/QUOTE]

    Only if the rules are legal.  We'll see what the courts have to say.

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    (including the rule that the NFL was given an exemption from the Sherman Act prohibiting monopolies because the league as a whole supercedes each individual team). [/QUOTE]

    There is no such exemption in football (baseball does have a specific anti-trust exemption).  THe only reason the league was able to institute anti-competitive rules was because there was a collective bargaining agreement with the union. If there is no union and no CBA, the Sherman Act is back in play.


     
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    And once again, you want to treat the NFL as "any industry" like any other.  Its not.  Accounting competitors don't fabricate end user organization (read: games) and timelines (schedules) so that they can compete against one another.  

    You frequently talked about fully free market principals for players.  You are aware that every eligible college player that is not drafted is afforded exactly that free market opportunity.  I am willing to bet, however, that the UDFA would gladly trade his freedom to chose (or be chosen) for nearly any livestock auctioned/slave traded draft spot.  
     
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    [QUOTE]UD . . . I think up above I already said that I don't think the working conditions of NFL players are anything like slavery.  But I don't think that's what Peterson was really saying either.  Remember he continues "there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way."   All I think he meant was that the attitudes of the owners . . . that "we make the rules and you just have to abide by them" . . . is a little akin to the attitude of slave owners.  And, I think he's right--at least to some extent. So I guess I don't understand why everyone is so anxious to jump all over this guy for saying something that is exaggerated no doubt but does contain a kernel of truth (at least in my opinion). In fact, the outrage over Peterson's statement seems more exaggerated that the statement itself.  I wonder why that is? 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]whats wrong with having two ownership models, the nfl owners and the players association or management company?
     
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    @UD6

    Yeah, but the legal issue here is whether separate businesses (i.e., NFL teams, which are considered separate businesses) can adopt rules that limit a person's freedom to practice his profession and select his employer . . . 

    What makes UDFAs less valuable (draft or no draft) is that there is less demand for their skills because they haven't shown as much potential.  So what they really would like is to be as desirable as the guys who get drafted.  Whether they'd make more money with or without a draft is uncertain.  The fact that there is a draft doesn't make their skills (and therefore their marketability) any better. 

    That said, I think a CBA helps the less talented players (with minimum salary rules and benefits) and possibly hurts the most talented (who might make even more in the bidding wars that would likely ensue with no restrictions on free agency and no salary caps). A free market approach will probably mean even bigger salaries for the very best athletes and smaller salaries for the third string types. Which is one of many reasons I prefer a CBA. 

    However, I don't at all blame the players for not buckling and accepting a CBA they felt was a bad deal. Faced with the choice of accepting a bad CBA or taking my chances in a free market, I'd go with the market too. I can't blame the players for doing that.  


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : whats wrong with having two ownership models, the nfl owners and the players association or management company?
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]

    Not sure exactly what you're suggesting COMM-CON . . . but are you thinking of the players creating a company that offered teams the right to buy their services?  Sort of like a company that provides contract labor for teams looking for players?

    I guess they could do that, but I'm not sure what advantage that would give them over negotiating either as individuals or as a union.  If they did something like that, they couldn't be a monopoly . . . they'd have to allow other such organizations a right to compete in the market, so you'd likely end up with multiple companies offering "players for hire."


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : Not sure exactly what you're suggesting COMM-CON . . . but are you thinking of the players creating a company that offered teams the right to buy their services?  Sort of like a company that provides contract labor for teams looking for players? I guess they could do that, but I'm not sure what advantage that would give them over negotiating either as individuals or as a union.  If they did something like that, they couldn't be a monopoly . . . they'd have to allow other such organizations a right to compete in the market, so you'd likely end up with multiple companies offering "players for hire."
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]bingo! technically it could happen in same way the players could go to other sporting teams but do not! it would give them the opportunity to be partners with the nfl. they can formally form a partnership. their role is to take care of the players and bring them in. they will have the biggest pie of all other partners. i think the NFL should insist on it and totally break the union as it is in europe with soccer. funny how they practice more capitalism than the US teams. they de-certified so they should focus on the union never gettting re-certified! they can still have a salary cap and lots of the existing rules, just in a different format!
     
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     Is enough enough already, or am I wrong?

    C'mon Syb . . . .  even you're better than this.


     
     
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    [QUOTE]Wow I always liked and respected Adrian Peterson but after those comments I'm just disgusted with him! It's a slap in the face to the real slaves who worked for nothing and if they didn't or if they didn't work hard enough they got beaten and whipped. NEVER COMPARE YOURSELF TO A SLAVE EVER!
    Posted by Homecheese[/QUOTE]

         Lump in Steelers' RB Rashard Mendenhall with Peterson...as he agreed with Peterson's slave comments.

         Whenever you read comments like this, you have to ask yourself, "Why do you care about football...and the arrogant, pampered players who play the game?" With people struggling just to make ends meet...these types of garbage comments really tick me off: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_727833.html  
     
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    I don't quite get all the indignant outrage. 

    I care about football because it's a great game played by great players at a very high level. It's exciting to watch and has this remarkable combination of complex strategy and tremendous athleticism. What could you not like? Best team sport ever in my opinion. 

    Do I see the players as arrogant and pampered? Not really any more than any other group of well-paid people.  All Peterson meant is that being pushed around by autocratic owners feels a bit like slavery. I don't really disagree with him.  Why is it such a big deal?  

     
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    [QUOTE]leave it to mr. peterson to break it down for all the masses to easily grasp things from the players' perspective. he said the way owners are treating the players is like modern day slavery all over again. he said it twice just to make sure there was no doubt where he stood.  now lets review the merits here. according to my "sources", back in the slavery days, the national slavery association was able to collectively bargain to get the plantation owners to partially open up their books and agree to share 57% % of all revenue (after basic expenses were subtracted) from their collective slave labor to be distributed among all the individual slaves including retired ones. before a stud slave at auction could be taken off the docks or turned over to a master, he was first paid a guaranteed advance and given various incentives or bonuses based on how much he lifted and performed for his master esp during the cotton picking season. even the worst slaves (the chad jacksons of the era if you will) were guaranteed to be in the top 10% of all earners at the time. if a slave got hurt, he could be put on injury reserve while being paid his pre-negotiated salary as he rehabbed himself back in his luxury slave quarters or with his master's appointed or union-agreed upon doctors, all happily paid by his master. if his master did not want him to bolt north or to another plantation, the owners would get together and agree to humiliate him by offering the average of the top 5 earning slaves at his position as a minimum guarantee for that year if the slave CHOSE to return!  slaves were so popular and revered back in the south that many whites and citzens were envious of them for if they wanted to see them competitively working out in the fields, they had to endure the cold fact that these men were richer and more prosperous than 99 percent of them could ever hope and that their kids and great grand kids would be set for life because of all this labor. many owners in turn, just like hank steinbrenner from the yanks, felt jealousy towards their slaves being able to build their own independent estates and mini plantations of their own right next to theirs or in the same cities.  many owners and members of their management teams openly wanted nothing more in life than to be just like their slaves, who got to be protected by the constitution, politicians, judges and everyone else connected with the law and power in society from sea to shining sea!   yes, AD really nailed it. if any slave came back from that era, they would be in shock at how horrible the conditions are for an AD. havent we gone forward they would ask? 200 years and no progress... they would immediately question why the north even bothered to invade the south. AD should keep speaking. he really understands how similar his situation is to actual slaves in america! how can anyone reasonably expect these players to be able to feed their families on such slave wages? $5M a year just doesnt go as far as it used to. i mean with tsunamis, record unemployment, food shortages, high inflation, homelessness all around us, and health care perils all around us, OUR top priority should be freeing the petersons of the world! on a related note, sarah palin and the republicans should continue comparing every miniscule disagreement with obama as exactly what hitler did, in fact its even worse.. any rational person who looks at nazi germany and what happened at places like auschwitz can easily see how similar obama's america is to that. on the same note, ditto to the democrats for their perfect use and timing of hyperbole in attacking the wisconsin governor and for what they did with bush over iraq.  what ever happened to perspective and common sense? 
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]


    since when do slaves make $300,000 or more per season?
     
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    Anyone who gives ANY credence to football players making "slavery" comments needs their heads examined as they have no clue as to what real slavery is all about!
     
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    * chuckles at implied facepalm*
     
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    [QUOTE]Anyone who gives ANY credence to football players making "slavery" comments needs their heads examined as they have no clue as to what real slavery is all about!
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    What's with this epidemic of political correctness among normally conservative football fans all of a sudden?  Cool
     
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    Peterson is an idiot. These guys get paid more than 99.99999 percent of all people in the entire world and he has the nerve to call it modern day slavery. 

    Let's put him in a sweat shop in china for a year and still think if his situation compares. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Peterson is an idiot. These guys get paid more than 99.99999 percent of all people in the entire world and he has the nerve to call it modern day slavery.  Let's put him in a sweat shop in china for a year and still think if his situation compares. 
    Posted by Macrawn[/QUOTE]
    You dont need to send him to China, let him work for UPS for a couple years, 5 days a week in all weather, for whatever they are paying now. Then let him complain how bad the big-bad NFL is treating him. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : Only if the rules are legal.  We'll see what the courts have to say. There is no such exemption in football (baseball does have a specific anti-trust exemption).  THe only reason the league was able to institute anti-competitive rules was because there was a collective bargaining agreement with the union. If there is no union and no CBA, the Sherman Act is back in play.
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]
    The NFL does have an antitrust exemption that allows the league to negotiate the TV rights rather than the individual teams. The income from the TV rights accounts for almost 50% of the leagues gross revenue and is shared among all teams. The individual teams would not be able to negotiate TV deals anywhere near what the league as a whole does. Specific teams would do very well (Dallas, NE, the NY teams and a few others) negotaiting their own deals, others would suffer greatly (Jacksonville, Cleveland, Detroit etc) to the point where they would fold within a few years. Those teams will not be able to compete with the 'big boys' and the parity that makes the NFL great will quickly end. Cant have it both ways, either you stick with the system where revenues are shared and player costs are controlled, or each team is an individual entity, and you end up with a league of haves and have-nots.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : Ummm, not quite, actually, not even close. The slaves were forcibly removed from their homeland, chained to a ship and sailed thousands of miles away from their families. Then they were sold off to the highest bidder, forced into sevitude for no wages, and beaten mercilessly if they did not comply or acted out. No one is forcing anyone to play in the NFL. That is a choice the player gets to makes. If you have the ability and choose to go to work in the NFL, then you have to live by the rules that are established and that all players and teams live by (including the rule that the NFL was given an exemption from the Sherman Act prohibiting monopolies because the league as a whole supercedes each individual team). By following these rules, you are then compensated very well when measured against 95% of our society. Comparing these two sets of circumstances is outrageous.
    Posted by BostonSportsFan111[/QUOTE]

    The NFL's most prosperous era began in 1992 when the players bargained for Free Agency. Good thing they played by the rules.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : Not sure exactly what you're suggesting COMM-CON . . . but are you thinking of the players creating a company that offered teams the right to buy their services?  Sort of like a company that provides contract labor for teams looking for players? I guess they could do that, but I'm not sure what advantage that would give them over negotiating either as individuals or as a union.  If they did something like that, they couldn't be a monopoly . . . they'd have to allow other such organizations a right to compete in the market, so you'd likely end up with multiple companies offering "players for hire."
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    They call them agents.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ADRIAN PETERSON: ITS LIKE SLAVERY ALL OVER AGAIN... I AGREE! : Of course employment in the NFL is not like slavery . . . but some of the attitudes of the pro-owner crowd here make me think that if slavery for players were legal, many would not object. While the actual conditions of employment in the NFL are not at all like slavery, the attitudes toward ownership and labor expressed by some of the owners' defenders here (and maybe held by some of the owners themselves) are very much the same attitudes that make slavery possible where it's not prohibited by law. And there is something about a draft that does feel just a little like a livestock auction, no?    
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    I agree with you on some points but comparing the draft to a livestock auction is preposterous. Every sport has a draft. Are they all livestock auctions. If no draft, please present an alternative, I'd like to hear a proposal of some sort. Complete open free agency right out of college. Sorry, but in my opinion the draft is the best system. Without a draft it would be complete chaos.  
     
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