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    This contract should tell you that he's viewed as a piece not as a starter, which imo would be the best way to use him. Limited reps through the season as an in box defender so that he's fresh for the postseason where he can make the real impact

     




     

     

    Why do you assume that? Because you already had a negative opinion of him. I was busting your balls last week but now im serious. Stop being a debby downer. I told everyone that SS was a need and BB agreed. Stop nitpicking. YOu want him to be a failure here?? Cuz you sure act like it. Its one thing to state your case and move on but you dont have to bash the move every chance you get. Last year it was Landry and you were made to look ignorant on that, dont make it 2. You said he would last 4 games. He went on to play a solid 16(something CHung couldnt do) and got himself paid to the tune of 4/26 million. There is a difference between losing starting time on a team thats going nowhere and wants to start playing younger guys and a guy just flat out losing time to a team thats going somewhere. Wilson has Value to us because we are contending. AZ is far away so they moved on to youth. Stop being your negative energy here about players just because you dont understand parts of the game. I only say this because last year you stated Landry was too "jacked" to play and he cared more about being a body builder. You were wrong. Im surprised you havent said Adrian is too big!  He is just what we need and I hope he starts every down and has a great impact, you should too.

     



    Yes I obviously want him to be a failure, that's why I'm suggesting to limit his reps to maximize his benefit for the postseason... I see him as a piece to the puzzle to help improve the team. What I'm tired of hearing is that we just picked up one of the top S's for dirt cheap and think he'll be an ever down starter. He won't be. The guy is 34 not 30 anymore. He's closer to what Seau gave when he joined to what Rodney gave. That doesn't mean he won't make an impact but it does mean if you are counting on him to be where he was 3-4 years ago you are soarly going to be disappointed. ~50% of snaps seems about right for Wilson.

     

    BTW I also pulled hard to sign Goldson 2 years ago when he visited and I was dead right on that. So, I was wrong on Landry but right on Goldson and I'd still much rather had Goldson at this point. So don't make it seem like I'm never right when I was wrong in one case. 

     
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    Re: Adrian Wilson's signing #'s

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    This contract should tell you that he's viewed as a piece not as a starter, which imo would be the best way to use him. Limited reps through the season as an in box defender so that he's fresh for the postseason where he can make the real impact

     




     

     

    Why do you assume that? Because you already had a negative opinion of him. I was busting your balls last week but now im serious. Stop being a debby downer. I told everyone that SS was a need and BB agreed. Stop nitpicking. YOu want him to be a failure here?? Cuz you sure act like it. Its one thing to state your case and move on but you dont have to bash the move every chance you get. Last year it was Landry and you were made to look ignorant on that, dont make it 2. You said he would last 4 games. He went on to play a solid 16(something CHung couldnt do) and got himself paid to the tune of 4/26 million. There is a difference between losing starting time on a team thats going nowhere and wants to start playing younger guys and a guy just flat out losing time to a team thats going somewhere. Wilson has Value to us because we are contending. AZ is far away so they moved on to youth. Stop being your negative energy here about players just because you dont understand parts of the game. I only say this because last year you stated Landry was too "jacked" to play and he cared more about being a body builder. You were wrong. Im surprised you havent said Adrian is too big!  He is just what we need and I hope he starts every down and has a great impact, you should too.

     

     



    Yes I obviously want him to be a failure, that's why I'm suggesting to limit his reps to maximize his benefit for the postseason... I see him as a piece to the puzzle to help improve the team. What I'm tired of hearing is that we just picked up one of the top S's for dirt cheap and think he'll be an ever down starter. He won't be. The guy is 34 not 30 anymore. He's closer to what Seau gave when he joined to what Rodney gave. That doesn't mean he won't make an impact but it does mean if you are counting on him to be where he was 3-4 years ago you are soarly going to be disappointed. ~50% of snaps seems about right for Wilson.

     

     

    BTW I also pulled hard to sign Goldson 2 years ago when he visited and I was dead right on that. So, I was wrong on Landry but right on Goldson and I'd still much rather had Goldson at this point. So don't make it seem like I'm never right when I was wrong in one case. 

     




     

    Your speculation is fair, I just dont see the need to bash him before he plays and if you were going off your own asessment I would respect it more as I believe you know football. What I am saying is why believe a bum coach who just got fired?? We are Pats fans and will likely never know how a lot of things went down here and thats how I feel about Ken. He can say whatever he wants but doesnt mean its true. If he comes here and only plays a small role, fine. I believe even as a 1st ,2nd dwn player he is valuble because most teams pass on 1st down. I ALSO want him to be used sparingly throughout the year because we really need him in the playoffs and its because he is older, not washed up! He may turn out to be washed up, but Im not taking a coach on his way outs opinion, thats all. This team can get 10 wins in the reg.season with 8 defenders on the field as long as Brady plays. We know his value will be postseason so he may be limited but its NOT because James Sanders and R.Johnson were better. If so, why did we RELEASE James Sanders?? Because the bum was making more than we just signed Wilson for. he was the steadying force in our secondary in 2010 but NEVER made any impact plays and was shown the door that offseason with every other safety we had and now 2 years later, you want me to believe Sanders is better than the guy he just replaced and BB Wants the worse of the 2!? That would make no sense so Im gonna assume BB is smart and Ken is a desperate coach looking for work.

     
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    Re: Adrian Wilson's signing #'s

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    This contract should tell you that he's viewed as a piece not as a starter, which imo would be the best way to use him. Limited reps through the season as an in box defender so that he's fresh for the postseason where he can make the real impact

     




     

     

    Why do you assume that? Because you already had a negative opinion of him. I was busting your balls last week but now im serious. Stop being a debby downer. I told everyone that SS was a need and BB agreed. Stop nitpicking. YOu want him to be a failure here?? Cuz you sure act like it. Its one thing to state your case and move on but you dont have to bash the move every chance you get. Last year it was Landry and you were made to look ignorant on that, dont make it 2. You said he would last 4 games. He went on to play a solid 16(something CHung couldnt do) and got himself paid to the tune of 4/26 million. There is a difference between losing starting time on a team thats going nowhere and wants to start playing younger guys and a guy just flat out losing time to a team thats going somewhere. Wilson has Value to us because we are contending. AZ is far away so they moved on to youth. Stop being your negative energy here about players just because you dont understand parts of the game. I only say this because last year you stated Landry was too "jacked" to play and he cared more about being a body builder. You were wrong. Im surprised you havent said Adrian is too big!  He is just what we need and I hope he starts every down and has a great impact, you should too.

     

     



    Yes I obviously want him to be a failure, that's why I'm suggesting to limit his reps to maximize his benefit for the postseason... I see him as a piece to the puzzle to help improve the team. What I'm tired of hearing is that we just picked up one of the top S's for dirt cheap and think he'll be an ever down starter. He won't be. The guy is 34 not 30 anymore. He's closer to what Seau gave when he joined to what Rodney gave. That doesn't mean he won't make an impact but it does mean if you are counting on him to be where he was 3-4 years ago you are soarly going to be disappointed. ~50% of snaps seems about right for Wilson.

     

     

    BTW I also pulled hard to sign Goldson 2 years ago when he visited and I was dead right on that. So, I was wrong on Landry but right on Goldson and I'd still much rather had Goldson at this point. So don't make it seem like I'm never right when I was wrong in one case. 

     




     

    Your speculation is fair, I just dont see the need to bash him before he plays and if you were going off your own asessment I would respect it more as I believe you know football. What I am saying is why believe a bum coach who just got fired?? We are Pats fans and will likely never know how a lot of things went down here and thats how I feel about Ken. He can say whatever he wants but doesnt mean its true. If he comes here and only plays a small role, fine. I believe even as a 1st ,2nd dwn player he is valuble because most teams pass on 1st down. I ALSO want him to be used sparingly throughout the year because we really need him in the playoffs and its because he is older, not washed up! He may turn out to be washed up, but Im not taking a coach on his way outs opinion, thats all. This team can get 10 wins in the reg.season with 8 defenders on the field as long as Brady plays. We know his value will be postseason so he may be limited but its NOT because James Sanders and R.Johnson were better. If so, why did we RELEASE James Sanders?? Because the bum was making more than we just signed Wilson for. he was the steadying force in our secondary in 2010 but NEVER made any impact plays and was shown the door that offseason with every other safety we had and now 2 years later, you want me to believe Sanders is better than the guy he just replaced and BB Wants the worse of the 2!? That would make no sense so Im gonna assume BB is smart and Ken is a desperate coach looking for work.

     



    I was going by my own assessment this time. I saw him lose a couple steps by the end of the year. Like any older player he wore down and wasn't performing to the same level week 16 as he was week 4. That's why I'm saying limit his reps so that he can play to his highest level weeks 18-20 instead of weeks 1-10. I don't know how that's knocking the guy. He was one of the best S's in the game and has the intelligence and ability to impact where the team was missing, an in box defender. But, at his age I'm not expecting Rodney here. I'm expecting him to give ~50% of snaps and train T. Wilson, hence why I'm not jumping up and down saying that we just signed one of the top S's in the game. I don't know how saying he's older so you have to limit how often you use him to maximize his affect a knock on him.

    The thing is I have not once in any post said it was a bad signing. Actually I have said repeatedly it was a good signing and he should help the team and make an impact situationally as an in the box defender. The one thing I have consistently said was that you need to limit his reps because he's an older player who's lost a step from his prime to maximize his affect, esp deep into the playoffs. Just because I don't see him as a 3 down starter or having a massive impact overall doesn't mean I don't like the signing or that I'm knocking the guy it means I see his age and how he'll most likely be used and the salary shows that. For what he got paid if he was the same player he was 3-4 years ago don't you feel someone, anyone would have given him a salary better then what situational vets usually get paid?

     
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    Re: Adrian Wilson's signing #'s

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    This contract should tell you that he's viewed as a piece not as a starter, which imo would be the best way to use him. Limited reps through the season as an in box defender so that he's fresh for the postseason where he can make the real impact

     




     

     

    Why do you assume that? Because you already had a negative opinion of him. I was busting your balls last week but now im serious. Stop being a debby downer. I told everyone that SS was a need and BB agreed. Stop nitpicking. YOu want him to be a failure here?? Cuz you sure act like it. Its one thing to state your case and move on but you dont have to bash the move every chance you get. Last year it was Landry and you were made to look ignorant on that, dont make it 2. You said he would last 4 games. He went on to play a solid 16(something CHung couldnt do) and got himself paid to the tune of 4/26 million. There is a difference between losing starting time on a team thats going nowhere and wants to start playing younger guys and a guy just flat out losing time to a team thats going somewhere. Wilson has Value to us because we are contending. AZ is far away so they moved on to youth. Stop being your negative energy here about players just because you dont understand parts of the game. I only say this because last year you stated Landry was too "jacked" to play and he cared more about being a body builder. You were wrong. Im surprised you havent said Adrian is too big!  He is just what we need and I hope he starts every down and has a great impact, you should too.

     

     



    Yes I obviously want him to be a failure, that's why I'm suggesting to limit his reps to maximize his benefit for the postseason... I see him as a piece to the puzzle to help improve the team. What I'm tired of hearing is that we just picked up one of the top S's for dirt cheap and think he'll be an ever down starter. He won't be. The guy is 34 not 30 anymore. He's closer to what Seau gave when he joined to what Rodney gave. That doesn't mean he won't make an impact but it does mean if you are counting on him to be where he was 3-4 years ago you are soarly going to be disappointed. ~50% of snaps seems about right for Wilson.

     

     

    BTW I also pulled hard to sign Goldson 2 years ago when he visited and I was dead right on that. So, I was wrong on Landry but right on Goldson and I'd still much rather had Goldson at this point. So don't make it seem like I'm never right when I was wrong in one case. 

     




     

    Your speculation is fair, I just dont see the need to bash him before he plays and if you were going off your own asessment I would respect it more as I believe you know football. What I am saying is why believe a bum coach who just got fired?? We are Pats fans and will likely never know how a lot of things went down here and thats how I feel about Ken. He can say whatever he wants but doesnt mean its true. If he comes here and only plays a small role, fine. I believe even as a 1st ,2nd dwn player he is valuble because most teams pass on 1st down. I ALSO want him to be used sparingly throughout the year because we really need him in the playoffs and its because he is older, not washed up! He may turn out to be washed up, but Im not taking a coach on his way outs opinion, thats all. This team can get 10 wins in the reg.season with 8 defenders on the field as long as Brady plays. We know his value will be postseason so he may be limited but its NOT because James Sanders and R.Johnson were better. If so, why did we RELEASE James Sanders?? Because the bum was making more than we just signed Wilson for. he was the steadying force in our secondary in 2010 but NEVER made any impact plays and was shown the door that offseason with every other safety we had and now 2 years later, you want me to believe Sanders is better than the guy he just replaced and BB Wants the worse of the 2!? That would make no sense so Im gonna assume BB is smart and Ken is a desperate coach looking for work.

     

     



    I was going by my own assessment this time. I saw him lose a couple steps by the end of the year. Like any older player he wore down and wasn't performing to the same level week 16 as he was week 4. That's why I'm saying limit his reps so that he can play to his highest level weeks 18-20 instead of weeks 1-10. I don't know how that's knocking the guy. He was one of the best S's in the game and has the intelligence and ability to impact where the team was missing, an in box defender. But, at his age I'm not expecting Rodney here. I'm expecting him to give ~50% of snaps and train T. Wilson, hence why I'm not jumping up and down saying that we just signed one of the top S's in the game. I don't know how saying he's older so you have to limit how often you use him to maximize his affect a knock on him.

     




    Sorry, I misread your analysis and I thought you were only going by what coach said. If you feel he lost a step, I wont argue that because I only watched a few cardinals game but I just find it hard to believe that Sanders took his reps on 3rd down due to being faster. If anything maybe he did  less freelancing and they wanted Sanders who is always in position as we know  but never makes big plays. BB likes discipline players so he either just made a terrible signing by getting an older, freelance type or maybe Wilson just wasnt giving his all to a staff that didnt appreciate him. This is why I have to wait and see because there are so many thing to factor in, but I think you and I are on the same page as to how he should be used, I just dont buy that he was benched due to Sanders being a better player. Maybe Sanders showed more willingness to LISTEN but I think Wilson respects BB and will play harder here and have something to prove. They havent released gregory so he very well may be a p/t player but a much needed vet none the less, so I'll take him. I still want to draft a prospect too as I dont know how he we hold up in 3 years but he has never had any durability concerns and THOSE were are major problems in last 3 years (Barret, Ihedebo, Chung) all missed time and made our defense worse the last 2 years

     
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    Re: Adrian Wilson's signing #'s

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    We haven't won a SB since the 2004 season.  Apparently it isn't working anymore.  And apparently other teams are doing it better.  In the end, the team is losing to more talented teams.  To make it as far as they have is more of a testiment to the quality of a few certain key players then anything else.  The problem is keeping those key players or bringing in other quality key players to replace them. 

     



    Who were the big ticket FA's the Ravens added last season.  Who were the big ticket FA's the Giants added in 2011.  Who were the big ticket FA's the Packers added in 2010.  I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

     
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