A.J. Hawk would be open to a trade

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    A.J. Hawk would be open to a trade

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/15/aj-hawk-would-be-open-to-a-trade/

    mankins(i call him mannequin (dummy) now) for hawk?
     
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    "A.J. Hawk's agent wants to make it clear his client isn't asking for a trade. But Hawk wouldn't mind leaving town either."

    Oh my word......lol
     
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    more on the subject

    http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100915/PKR01/100915144/Linebacker-Hawk-would-be-open-to-trade-agent-says
     
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    A.J. Hawk? As in GB's A.J. Hawk? As in the MLB A.J. Hawk? 

    Where would MLB A.J. Hawk play? 
     
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    Let's not get into calling Mankins a dummy. People always rip a player for being all about the money. Well, he's obviously not. He has principles, and feels like he was wronged by the Pats. Whether or not you agree (and, really, how can you do either when only maybe 3 people know ALL the details) how can you not respect the man for puting aside money, and actually having a motivation other than a fat bank account?

    It's ok for a player to disagree with the Pats, it doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make him the bad guy.

    What if you found out Kraft PROMISED (face to face) Mankins a long term deal after the 09 season...and then they wanted him to play 2010 on a one year deal? Would he still be the dummy?

    I wish he was lining up at guard for the Pats, but I respect him for standing by his principles even more. He played out his contract, Pats fans should have nothing bad to say about him.

    Basically, cut the guy some slack. Rip Asante for wanting to "get paid", rip Mankins for standing up for what he believes is right and not just grabbing money, rip Moss for allegedly dogging it, rip Tom Brady for not being as involved in the off season stuff...there is just no pleasing some fans. Unless they pledge their undying commitment to the Pats, then they are dummies. I just don't agree.
     
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    he could take mckenzie's spot on the practice squad. 

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    [QUOTE]A.J. Hawk? As in GB's A.J. Hawk? As in the MLB A.J. Hawk?  Where would MLB A.J. Hawk play? 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]
     
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    I don't think the Pats would even want Hawk. If I'm not mistaken he plays MLB in the 3-4 and the Pats don't need anymore MLB's. It will be interesting to see if the Pats make any trades for defensive players before the deadline. I know it is unlikely but with all the draft picks they have, they could make a trade for a difference maker, I'm thinking some sort of DL that would enable the Pats to play more 4 DL formations, I don't think there are any OLB's that we could trade for though. I don't want Albert Haynesworth (but maybe...) but somebody like that to team with Wilfork and make Wright a sub (where he will be better) or a stud DE would be great and make the defense legit. The secondary would benefit the addition as well
     
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    [QUOTE]A.J. Hawk? As in GB's A.J. Hawk? As in the MLB A.J. Hawk?  Where would MLB A.J. Hawk play? 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    LOL, that's right, my bad. i got him mixed iwth the other pretty boy Clay matthews (OLB)
     
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    [QUOTE]Let's not get into calling Mankins a dummy. Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]

    well you call him what you want to and i'll call him a DUMMY for turning down that first offer the Patriots gave him
     
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    [QUOTE]Let's not get into calling Mankins a dummy. People always rip a player for being all about the money. Well, he's obviously not. He has principles, and feels like he was wronged by the Pats. Whether or not you agree (and, really, how can you do either when only maybe 3 people know ALL the details) how can you not respect the man for puting aside money, and actually having a motivation other than a fat bank account? It's ok for a player to disagree with the Pats, it doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make him the bad guy. What if you found out Kraft PROMISED (face to face) Mankins a long term deal after the 09 season...and then they wanted him to play 2010 on a one year deal? Would he still be the dummy? I wish he was lining up at guard for the Pats, but I respect him for standing by his principles even more. He played out his contract, Pats fans should have nothing bad to say about him. Basically, cut the guy some slack. Rip Asante for wanting to "get paid", rip Mankins for standing up for what he believes is right and not just grabbing money, rip Moss for allegedly dogging it, rip Tom Brady for not being as involved in the off season stuff...there is just no pleasing some fans. Unless they pledge their undying commitment to the Pats, then they are dummies. I just don't agree.
    Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]

    First from all reports they did offer Mankins a long term contract that would have made him a top 3 paid G in the league (Regardless of what was promised I would call that being taken care of during the off season). Now neither Mankins or his agent has refuted that, that offer was made so I take it as being true.

    Second Kraft came out refuting this latest report and Mankins camp never came out defending Adam's report. Matter a fact Adam came out and basically said "his story" didn't change though his report may have taken taken a life of it's own with a few conjectures. Namely that no deal was made and Kraft asked for a public apology, which confirms Krafts report in a way, but the report that a deal was done and feel apart because of the request might never have been true.

    Third I don't think you are 1 of those 3 you mentioned so as far as anyone knows it is about the money or guarantied value of the contract being the reason why Mankins didn't sign. If you want to use rumors of Mankins turning down a contract because of principles then we can also use the rumors of the offered contract that was on the table to prove Kraft did keep his promise (the one from Mankins own mouth) and Mankins wanted to be paid as the top G not as a top 3 G, which isn't what Kraft promised but being paid as a top 3 G is nothing to sneeze at.
     
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    I would gladly take A.J.Hawk if he can play the OLB position. One thing to add on the Mankins story one of the linemen the Patriots signed to replace greedy Logan,Ojinnaka just took a pay cut of 1.1 mil too remain with the team. So all of the players in this league aren't just about the money just Logan Mankins at the present time is, as for AJ Hawk he is the brother in law of Brady Quinn.
     
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    Hawk is too small for 3-4 OLB in BB's system. We don't need any more ILB's with Mayo, Spikes and Guyton. I don't think Hawk would be any type of upgrade there. 

    I would pass on him for sure.
     
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    Clay Matthews is too small too.  I suggested this deal a couple months back.  GB with OL issues from last year, probably slightly improved now, with a rookie LT, and with Matthews so dominant, maybe they'd see Hawk as expendable?


     
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    [QUOTE]Let's not get into calling Mankins a dummy. People always rip a player for being all about the money. Well, he's obviously not. He has principles, and feels like he was wronged by the Pats. Whether or not you agree (and, really, how can you do either when only maybe 3 people know ALL the details) how can you not respect the man for puting aside money, and actually having a motivation other than a fat bank account? It's ok for a player to disagree with the Pats, it doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make him the bad guy. What if you found out Kraft PROMISED (face to face) Mankins a long term deal after the 09 season...and then they wanted him to play 2010 on a one year deal? Would he still be the dummy? I wish he was lining up at guard for the Pats, but I respect him for standing by his principles even more. He played out his contract, Pats fans should have nothing bad to say about him. Basically, cut the guy some slack. Rip Asante for wanting to "get paid", rip Mankins for standing up for what he believes is right and not just grabbing money, rip Moss for allegedly dogging it, rip Tom Brady for not being as involved in the off season stuff...there is just no pleasing some fans. Unless they pledge their undying commitment to the Pats, then they are dummies. I just don't agree.
    Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]

    Are you Logan Mankins?
     
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    Lol why do this trade? Hawk doesnt fit the 3-4 simple as that. 
     
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    [QUOTE]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/15/aj-hawk-would-be-open-to-a-trade/ mankins(i call him mannequin (dummy) now) for hawk?
    Posted by kansaspatriot[/QUOTE]

    hawk has never impressed me. i keep hearing how great this guy is, then i look at him and see the plays he makes, and i`m left scrathing my head. looks kind of like a wierd guy if you ask me.
     
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    MVP...there is the issue of a size difference between Clay Matthews and AJ Hawk. AJ Hawk simply doesn't have the size to set the edge and play the 3-4 OLB position effectively. At 6'1", 245, he is small for an OLB. We have McKenzie on the roster (ala practice squad) as well as Dane Fletcher that are that size. 

    Clay on the other hand is 6'3", 255+. He clearly has the OLB size and good arm length and strength. 

    So comparing Matthews to Hawk is like comparing Mayo to Cunningham. Very different players. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Lol why do this trade? Hawk doesnt fit the 3-4 simple as that. 
    Posted by Pancakespwn[/QUOTE]

    Incorrect. A.J. plays the 3-4, but because Packers used the nickle and dime packages last week, he did not play...
     
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    Hawk was super as a 4-3 OLB as a rookie and is now just an above average ILB on a 3-4.

    He is not worth Mankins in our system, unless that is the Very best offer we can get and Logan uis 100% gone, then I'd certainly see what he can do over Nich

    Clay Matthers however, should have been our draft pick last year over trading into the future for a pick
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A.J. Hawk would be open to a trade : Are you Logan Mankins?
    Posted by TheFantasyBaron[/QUOTE]

    My exact thoughts, it's NEVER about the money, especially when you turn down 7mi a yr.
     
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    @Beavis

    Last year he wasnt an every down backer and wasnt playing on passing downs last year. Now this year hes regulated to being a 2 down player again and is now in nickel and dime and doesnt have a role in their base package. Thats not worth Mankins or anything above a fifth rounder looking at his contract as well right now.  Also we have three very good ILBs Mayo who was a stud his rookie year and was still a stud last year playing on one leg, and then Spikes and Guyton who bring to the table what Hawk would bring.


     
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    [QUOTE]A.J. Hawk? As in GB's A.J. Hawk? As in the MLB A.J. Hawk?  Where would MLB A.J. Hawk play? 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    ahahahahahahahaahahaha lol
     
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    I agree with not killing Mankins as fans.  The bottom line is fans will always side with the team because we rout for a logo not the names on the back of the jersey.  Clearly he's in a no-win with the fans.

    Here's a few key pts why I think people should stop the anti-Mankins stuff.

    1)he's not under contract, he did honor his contract and did not hold out.  Just because he's not an unrestricted FA doesn't mean he's under contract.

    2)he's barely said a word, all these people saying he should keep his mouth shut are getting exactly what they want, he hasn't said a word in a long time.

    3)most of what people are basing their opinions on are rumors and hearsay.  I believe the fact that he came out once and said he was lied to adds credibility to his claim.  He's not playing the PR game, he said his piece and has handled his business behind closed doors since. 

    You may not like what he said, but keep in mind 1st he was misquoted so half the people complaining about what he said, don't even know what he said, and 2, maybe he was lied to.

    Kraft went way out of character and refuted Schefter's claim, but if you listened, he didn't say anything of value, he really confirmed more than he refuted.  He started by saying that he's basically only involved in contract negotiations when it's time to sign the dotted line, yet then said there was no offer.  I think it's pretty clear Kraft's comments left a lot of room for grey area making Schefter's story pretty accurate.

    Bottom line is, Mankins isn't under contract and isn't talking to the media, what more do you want from the guy?  He has every right to sign or not sign, and if he doesn't sign, with the new CBA he might even end up being an unrestricted FA next season, he's far from a dummy. 

    If he said nothing, fans would still be just as anti because the offer would have been leaked anyway
     
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    [QUOTE] He is not worth Mankins in our system, Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    so what is mankins worth?
     
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    In Response to Re: A.J. Hawk would be open to a trade:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A.J. Hawk would be open to a trade : so what is mankins worth?
    Posted by kansaspatriot[/QUOTE]

    Let's re-visit in 2012 after the lock-out
     

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