In response to TripleOG's comment:
In response to seawolfxs's comment:
Stop and Frisk in NYC works mostly because it kept the guns home by the bad guys.
If there weren't so many bad guys or so many nut jobs people wouldn't want to carry
Then we let the bad guys and real nut jobs know where they are free to do waht they want.
Once again - no silver bullet solution.
I never want a gun, but I reserve my right to have one for self and family defense.
Then Pat's Fan lost in Jet Land
You think stop and frisk works? Patting down over 1000 teenagers a day and finding guns on less than 1% of them. Stop and Frisk is nothing more than a racially charged profilinf agenda designed to lock up youths and give them records and keep them in the system. There was a kid that videotaped some ny cops harrasing him telling them they would punch him, calling him names, racial slurs,etc. Im all for keeping guns off the street but thats NOT the answer. Why are guns always funneled thru the hood? Why/How after all this gun debate and stricter laws etc., can a no name rapper be caught on instagram showing guns and get caugh up with over 250 guns ready to hit the street,. From semi auto's to tech 9s to AK's??? Someone answer that. I already know.
Yes it works. The NYC numbers over 20 yrs proove it, Don't believe me. Fine believe Bloomberg -a no pro gun guy AT ALL! It works in LA too. Where it came from another former NYC Police Commissioner and called something different.
And whose lives do you think it saves? 80-90 % black and minoroty. If S & F goes away - . then when the murder rate and crime goes up in NYC , don't forget to re- read your post.
Why do you think when your 1000 teens are patted down there are so few guns? CAUSE THEY DON"T want to be arrested. (And it is ILLEGAL fior teens to have guns!) Its the number of guns people don't carry on their bodies at any given time that counts.
And there are guidelines too on how they should be stopped too
Please save the anecdotal evidence, or the odd ball idiot cops doing something wrong. That is just a straw man argument. No one is for that, The guns you talk about are black market - and they aren't there because of S&F. You want to take guns away from pople who are legal and make sure that only the gang bangers have them
The true measurement isn't a psuedo % of this or that. Its the true rate of crime that has been reduced. In NYC it has dropped dramatically.
I rather prefer not to have all these minorities (or anyone) murdered and I rather have them live a safer life.
Were you ever in Times Sq before S&F? And then now? Do you know there are now only a few areas in NYC that it's still really dangerous to go? And in the 1990's a plurality were dangerous.
Detroit and Chicago had the same chance 20 yrs ago to make similar laws - Where are they now? Tell me please.
I am may sick of reading every week of some poor child getting murdered. Sick!
You don't have to live there and you probalby don't even visit there. I have friends who live there and I visit often. I have seen the difference
You may believe what you will.
I have no need to change anyone's mind
There is no magic bullet to make all this go away
have a good day ( i mean it)
I dont want to take guns out of responsible owners hands. Do the research and tell me what those S N F in NY produce. Dont claim to know where I live, where ive been, etc. Detroit and Chicago have seperate issues. One is gangs, the other is ecomony. I bet no police would stop and frisk any REAL gang bangers anyway. We are talking about teens who do nothing. Ive seen the testimonies from other COPS saying there is pressure for s n f or you get demoted so they do them just because. Its only on blacks and hispanics. Its produces next to nothing cuz they purposely frisk guys who DONT look dangerous. I dare them to try that sh*t in Chicago. No law is gonna make cops go frisk REAL gangsters. same where I live. Lazy *ss state cops sitting and pulling over folks and profiling, but they dont f*k with the real bangers and they know where they are. I saw 4 squad cars the other night, had this car posted with teens on the ground. Found out later that night a 74 y/o man was beaten to death, down the street. They still looking for the suspect. They only take down serious drug dealers once in a while in raids when the money profits gets too high. and by serious, I mean street level. They will never go after kingpins and distrubitors and the like. You know why? There is money in Cocaine! It Runs WALL ST! Do you research buddy. have a nice night. Hope I was clear, because you misunderstood my last post. I dont want thugs w/guns, but someone does.