Alfonzo Dennard

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    Dennard must keep himself out of bars and bad company. He has a tremendous opportunity and I hope that he does'nt blow it. He could be something special for himself and Patriot nation!
     
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    I trust Bill did his research on the character issue Again, when you are in that 18-24 age range you do dumb things, you smoke, drink, get into some bar fights, etc. it is all part of growing up. A person's brain isn't even fully developed until age 24-25. And of course we all know cops can be wrong, racist, intimidate, power hungry, etc. etc. I hardly think we should judge this incident as a reason to not want him on the team. Punching Jeffrey in the bowl game and then this indicates he has a quick temper and will need to work on that. Being drafted by the Pats means its time to be responsible and time to be a man and not a kid.
    Posted by rameakap



    best scenario is court ordered 8-12 weeks of anger mangement.

    by the way.
    why the avatar change.
    i dont recognize you any more.
    glad you came back to teh thread
    tried to get a message to you.

    peace
     
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    I can't say anything about the arrest because I don't have any insight on what actually happened.  I have very little problem with the fight in the bowl game.  I have seen very good receivers and CB's get into fights at the NFL level and get thrown out of games or at least get personal fouls (think Deion and Rison, A. Johnson and Finnegan).  All of these guys were very good players going up against one another and trying to get under each other's skin.  Dennard is a press man cover guy.  These things will happen.  If you actually watch the fight Dennard is hitting him up the sideline while the ball is in play and then Jeffery takes exception and grabs his facemask.  Dennard gets free and shoves him.  Jeffery then two hand shivers him in the facemask and then Dennard takes a swing.  Both ejected.  This play doesn't ring any character concerns for me inasmuch as it reflects two guys playing hard in an important game and letting emotions get the better of them.
     
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    Who knows who was right and who was wrong.  There are great cops and there are bad ones just like in every profession.  We all weren't at the bar that night and don't know what happened so we all shouldn't be saying it's a cop on some power trip.  Dennard seems like a bit of a hot head between this incident and getting kicked out of the bowl game. 

     I hope the Patriots organization can somehow work with him on it which I'm sure they will.  I love the pick and think everyone deserves a second chance.  I love the fact that he's a scrappy player and tries to get under the skin of receivers but just hope he doesn't cross that boundry. 

    Let's all try to have some fun on this board and have healthy debates but keep personal issues personal.
     
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    I think it should be noted that all 32 teams passed over this guy several times.  There are plenty of teams who really don't give a rip about some off the field issues (Bengals, Cowboys, etc.) and they didn't seem to think he was worth a 6th round pick.

    The talking heads love to tell us how every guy that got arrested could've been a 1st rounder.  I'm beginning to think the easiest way to be considered a first rounder is to get arrested.  Then it's all about how their stock is falling.  I think it's entirely possible NFL teams didn't pick him up because they didn't think he was all that good.  Maybe 4th or 5th round material, I don't know.

    But I have trouble believing he dropped from the 2nd to the seventh when plenty of other guys seem to have overcome the same issues and didn't fall very far. 
     
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    Apparently he missed the 1st 3 games of the season (or something like that) due to injury which may have further compounded the matter. I do get your point though.
     
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    I don't know, I just heard Solomon Wilcox talk about this guys ability and how he very well could be the steal of the draft.
     
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    His only issue I see is run support and lack of elite speed. This is why I think is perfect for the slot position. If in fact, # 32 gets moved to safety, he will have a chance to compete w/ Allen, Arrington for the slot.. Playing outside, he looks uncomfortable when playing off and doesnt show good balance. When he plays up in press he displays better ability to stay with his man. He needs to get better at getting away from blockers at the next level,but for a 7th rd pick, B.B. def. has talent to work with. Just depends on how well he takes coaching cuz B.B. is brutally honest in his assesments...
    Posted by patsfan76


    +1
    He seems better suited to play the slot, or, I would move him to safety and keep McCourty at CB. I think Dennard could be a better safety than Wilson, and either play with Chung or behind him almost immediately if he can learn how to play the position. I think he has the talent base to play safety or slot CB very well.
     
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    Good post nut! I have not researched the incident much, but I do agree that he is probably a hothead and that could be a good thing if B.B. is able to harness it. One thing about B.B. is he is a straight shooter. He will not B.S. with this guy. He will sit him down and explain the oppty that is in front of him and then show off his rings to let him know, he will win regardless and will drop him quick if he effs up!
    Posted by patsfan76


    Let's hope it does work out because he is talented.  I remember watching a Nebraska game 2 years ago to check out Prince A. and thought to myself "who is their other corner, he's good."  It was Dennard on the other side.  If he does mess up BB will dump him without a second thought just like he did with Haynesworth.  I haven't heard of Dennard being a problem in the locker room which is a good sign.  Just has to tone it down a bit as far as temper.
     
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    In Response to Re: Alfonzo Dennard : that's because the cowboys and bengals addressed their CB situation in round 1 with claiborn and fitzpatrick.
    Posted by ricky12684

    What about the etceteras?
     
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    Who knows who was right and who was wrong.  There are great cops and there are bad ones just like in every profession.  We all weren't at the bar that night and don't know what happened so we all shouldn't be saying it's a cop on some power trip.  Dennard seems like a bit of a hot head between this incident and getting kicked out of the bowl game.   I hope the Patriots organization can somehow work with him on it which I'm sure they will.  I love the pick and think everyone deserves a second chance.  I love the fact that he's a scrappy player and tries to get under the skin of receivers but just hope he doesn't cross that boundry.  Let's all try to have some fun on this board and have healthy debates but keep personal issues personal. Posted by PatsNut5480
    Love the avatar. I was at that game and its one of my favorite sports memories. The entire stadium throwing snow in the air. Especially when Bruschi scored. Best 12-0 game I can remember.
     
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    In Response to Re: Alfonzo Dennard : Let's hope it does work out because he is talented.  I remember watching a Nebraska game 2 years ago to check out Prince A. and thought to myself "who is their other corner, he's good."  It was Dennard on the other side.  If he does mess up BB will dump him without a second thought just like he did with Haynesworth.  I haven't heard of Dennard being a problem in the locker room which is a good sign.  Just has to tone it down a bit as far as temper.
    Posted by PatsNut5480


    Amuka- I'll heed your advice- Prince "A" was my absolute #1 Cornerback in Last Year's Draft...  The G-Men got grand theft able to swipe him at Pick 19 or so...  He was IR'ed most of '11-'12, his 1st & rookie year.  You guys will see that how talented Prince "A" actually is this season...  Same brand of play with Dennard (before trailing off w/ his injury, and further dropping with this incident)- For some reason, these mountain midwest schools (Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska) are churnin' out some REALLY good Secondary Players.  They play TOUGH press pass-coverage, and have no fear to lay the wood on people.  Ya want INTs, equally interspersed with totally blown pass-coverage, and absolutely ZERO feeling that you even need to help anywhere else on the field or in any run support whatsoever...?  Then draft a Corner from the South or Southeast (UCF, USF, Texas, many from U of F, some Alabama schools, etc).

    Dennard's lone fallback is that straight true 40 speed...  WhoTH cares?  The skill-sets he DOES possess WILL trump, and inevitably WILL prove as the higher things that'll churn out a more successful DB at the end of the day (Instincts, Awareness, Tough-mindedness, Play Recognition, Hard-charging in all aspects of your game rather than just 1 or 2, etc.).

    He's a steal...  Either Dennard was injured, and getting beef from a drunk bar patron knowing that Dennard was gonna be a Professional Football Player in a couple weeks time, And while Jones was steppin' up to the guy giving him sh#t, some p!g came in and made matters worse...inevitably arresting not the actual precursing in-the-wrong party of the entire incident, but the very impassioned guy who was up in arms.

    That probably never happens though...

    OR: He's on drugs.  Senior Bowl play, Weak Combine, 1st Round-2nd Rd skill trickling off in these past few months, and this Bowl fight + Cop thing.  ZERO issues in 3 other years- Nebraska's a GOOD school, Dennard was a GOOD lockerroom guy, good student on and off the field.  Dennard ain't no a dvmmy- So either cops are sc#m (this goes without saying), and Dennard was dealin' with a lingering injury half this year (which he still was gonna play on, draftablity-wise), OR he's goin' through some very recognizable side effects of some earliest stages of a drug sinking it's fuller and fuller grips into your life.

    Being in NE and playing for the no-nonsense NE Patriots is as good an opportunity as anywhere to have the best opportunity to hopefully correct either of these ills.  And the guy WAS a 1st-2nd Rd talent which cost NE a 7th rder...7th Round Draft slots are worthless (in fact, I just few a 3 or 4 of 'em in the garbage when I was vacuuming the house an hour earlier...I think my cat's chewing on 1, too). 
     
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    In response to "Re: Alfonzo Dennard": Love the avatar. I was at that game and its one of my favorite sports memories. The entire stadium throwing snow in the air. Especially when Bruschi scored. Best 12-0 game I can remember.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    Thanks TrueChamp.  I'm jealous you were at that game.  Brings back great memories.  I'll never forget the fans throwing the snow up in the air to the music playing.  This game and the snow game against the Raiders are classics outside of the three superbowls.
     
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