All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush

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    Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush

    The line isn't helping the DB's out very well.  Check this out..

    Football Outsiders: Patriots vs. Different Receivers Stats

    It’s been well pounded into all of our heads that the Patriots pass defense ranks at or close to the bottom of the NFL in just about every passing category. My favorite rankings come from Football Outsiders who break down performance against each different receiver.

    These stats aren’t going to make you feel any better:

    • vs. #1 WR: 30th
    • vs. #2 WR: 26th
    • vs. Other WR: 5th
    • vs. TE: 26th
    • vs. RB: 18th

    Quick comparison to where the Pats finished in these rankings last year:

    • vs. #1 WR: 23rd
    • vs. #2 WR: 11th
    • vs. Other WR: 5th
    • vs. TE: 21st
    • vs. RB: 30th
    More pressure is needed, imo!!
     
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    Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush

    how does that equate to wins and losses??  trending is great... and best practice indicators seem to drive how top managers do business...  i think there are important stats that our top manager likes....   thats points allowed, 3rd down efficiency, and red zone efficiency...   how do we trend in those after 4 games??  also how does it all equate to championships because we are the only ones who have 3 in the last 10 years and only one other team has 2... and they seem to be in early season trouble...   just sayin
     
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    Z, thats our problem though IMO, that we are all waiting and hoping for Haynesoworth to bail out our defense.  Not a guy I would put my hopes on. He has a bad track record and although he showed flashes when he played, he is still a part time player who gives up plays as much as he makes them.

    One minute he busts through the hole and slams a Rb, the next play he takes the wrong gap and gives up a 20 yard run. He is too inconsistent, out of shape and displays bad technique for him to be our saviour, IMO

    I pray that im wrong, but I hope B.B. has another ace in the hole...maybe R.Brace.
     
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    In Response to Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush : The Packers' defense lost Cullen Jenkins. That is a huge, tremendous loss for them, no matter how you slice it.  One dominant interior lineman, especially in the 34, can change the way a whole unit plays. People forget that.  The defensive doldrums of the last few years can be as much a tale about the decay of NE's line from Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, to Wilfork and some JAGS.  NE needs Haynesworth in here yesterday, and contributing at a high level if BB's 43 dream is coming to fruition any time soon ... the difference between his presence being there and not being there (even with him playing into shape after missing the pre-season) was visible to the naked eye when they played Buffalo and to a lesser degree Oakland. If he can get healthy (for once here) and be motivated they'll generate more pressure from all angles. 
    Posted by zbellino


    Agreed, Warrens career sputtered out way too early. He was done at 29 which is sort of a stroke of bad luck. Haynesworth is a band aid, but I think the way things have sort of fell have left the team short a quality lineman next to Wilfork the last couple years. After taking 3 first round defensive lineman in 4 drafts they now haven't taken one in the last 7 drafts. I think one is coming in the next draft. Just a guess, and I think it is the missing piece.
     
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    In Response to Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush : It's our problem as fans watching. It's also BB's problem trying to fix the defense. Interior lineman don't grow on trees, and good ones are even harder to find. Defensive ends and outside linebackers that can apply legitimate pressure are almost equally rare.  BB completely overhauled this defense, as top to bottom as you can in one season, after watching it's failures the last few seasons.  The list of total player turnover is nothing less than stupendous. The majority of the guys he got rid of were cuts in the middle of standing contracts. The guys he picked up were all risks of some sort. And he completely changed the defensive front from 34 to 43. It's obvious he wanted something to change, and it was obvious why ... Now Haynesworth might not be as safe a bet as going out and grabbing a player that is in his prime, or has a clean track record. But first, those players aren't going to fall in NE's lap, especially not when you are drafting so low every season. Seymour was a top six selection IIRc.  So Haynesworth (and Carter, Anderson, and all those cuts) was a gamble BB was demonstrably willing to take to improve the defense from what it has been the last few seasons to somethig closer to what it was in the early part of the decade.  If he doesn't work out? It will be a wash probably when all is said and done. They'll have the same mediocre defense they've had the last few seasons. And NE can always win the Superbowl the "Saints" way, by gunning through the playoffs scoring 36 ppg and essentially being perfect.  It's just not a smart plan to bank on, because historically it really doesn't work often.  A QB like Brady always gives you that shot, as long as your defense is as bad as Buffalo's or something. 
    Posted by zbellino



    Z, you are right and I dont fault B.B. for trying to change it up, but I do think its couple years late and the lockout didnt help us in terms of team building and free agency, but like you said he brought in some players and obviously after seeing what they could do in preseason he stuck with the change, but in re: to Haynesworth for a 5th, I dont mind taking a look, but to fans I say after 4 weeks here and looking at his recent history can we really put all our eggs in his basket and say If he comes back than all is well?  I think we need to consider playing more 3-4 again if Haynesworth isnt ready...as we dont have many other quality lineman after that, but have a plethora of backers who do different things.  I like the change going forward esp. if we can land a top notch 4-3 DE in the draft, but its not ideal right now and our success is dependant on old guys like Ellis, Carter and Aintsworth....IDk....
     
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    No scoop here but BB is a defensive coach who has the best QB in the league.  He has concentrated on getting the most help for the offense confident that his coaching can pull the defense up a notch in the end.  He learned his lesson the year before Moss came in.  Get Brady the weapons and protection and make the opponent keep up with the scoring. Look how many times the pressure to score has led opponents to try for first down instead of taking a field goal... that is points off the board.  Unfortunately the strategy is not proving so effective in the playoffs when everyone steps up their play and mistakes are fewer, taking some of the pressure off.  We'll see, meanwhile yes, watching this defense is like waiting for your emergency parachute to open while flapping your arms wildly.
     
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    In Response to Re: If you want to work for a bean counting company and look at bottom lines all day and be shortsighted, congratulations. The rest of us will watch the games.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    HAHAHAHA That is ALL YOU DO is bring up stats to prove your point, then when someone else does it and exposes YOU, you come back with "If you want to work for a bean counting company and look at bottom lines all day and be shortsighted, congratulations." HAHAHAHA

    You and Mr Evil should start your own club of people who think we have an awesome defense. Yeah a win is a win is a win, but some of us see a defense that is MUCH less than impressive. A defense that makes EVERY QB & receiver look like an All Pro.  Maybe our run numbers look good because nobody NEEDS to try and run on us, they can throw the ball 20 yards at a pop, why run?
     
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    Bottom line is, the Pats have exactly 6 sacks this season.  Six, in four games.

    And honestly, it's not just the lack of sacks, it's the lack of pressure at all coming from this line.

    The good news is, their O line has only given up 4 sacks.  This team is build for offense, not defense.  And that's not going to work the whole season.
     
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    Guys! Guys! Listen, there is nothing wrong with our defense. When Bill Belichick mails me the coach's tape after the game I analyze the secondary - zone, man, depths, press, league current strategies, new rule changes, the Polian effect, playing on, playing off - you know, who's doing what. This is why I'm such an expert on these things. Don't get frustrated (I know that everyone at home has to watch what they show on tv - line of scrimmage - qb play, etc.) That's why I know so much about pass defense, the blitz, and our vaunted third down defense!!

    Don't you all feel better now silly pants?

    Thank you,
    Rusty
     
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    LMAO!

     
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    In Response to Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush : Ok MVP then we will have to agree to disagree.  I do not see them getting after the QB.  I don't see lots of blitzes, stunts, etc.  All i see is 4 guys running right into the OL in front of them and hoping they can push them back.  I am not talking about sacks (thou i would love it).  I am talking about being aggressive and shooting gaps and getting in the backfield.  Hitting the QB and being disruptive.  Being aggresive and hitting recievers at the line of scrimmage.  This D is just to passive in my eyes.  Maybe i need glasses. Mike Riess was keeping track of how often they blitzed in the preason.  Anyone have the stats of how many plays the Pats have blitzed, rushed 5, 6, just 4 or 3?
    Posted by Patsman3

    "All i see is 4 guys running right into the OL in front of them and hoping they can push them back."

    pretty much

     
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    In Response to Re: All is good with the Patriots Pass Rush : I think he is referring to the idea posted that NE isn't really interested in getting after the QB. I wouldn't buy that if you gave me the money to buy it. You don't overhaul your front seven, getting four guys that are known for being pass rushers, because you aren't interested in getting after the QB. re: sacks being misleading. That is true. They can be. Sometimes pressure manifests itself in holding calls, TFLs, INTs, PDs, and incompletions, etc. But I think we can agree that the first place sack team and the last place sack team would be separated by a large margin. 
    Posted by zbellino


    We certainly are not interested in getting to the Qb so far this season. We have consistently rushed 3-4 d-linemen, almost never bringing a LB. I can't find any statistical evidence to better portray this, but I would bet we are dead last in the league at sending "extra" rushers.

    This is not to say we don't care about getting to the QB, and to your point, I think BB went out and got the 4-3 type guys who have a history of applying pressure without help. This would fit the idea to pressure the QB with minimal personnel, while flooding the field with maximum coverage and awaiting desperate QB mistakes.

    I think BB came to the realization that our best defense may in fact be a great offense.


     
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