Amendola drop costs game - he is Welker

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    Hooman caught a 1 handed pass for a td and the defenders hands were all over his arms and the ball.  Danny boy should have made his catch.  He had both his hands on the ball and allowed it to get away from him.  He had a good game but let the game winner get away.

     
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    he had his best game since week one - when we get Aaron  beastson and kenbrell beastkins back this offense will be super productive

     
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    he had his best game since week one - when we get Aaron  beastson and kenbrell beastkins back this offense will be super productive

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    he had his best game since week one - when we get Aaron  beastson and kenbrell beastkins back this offense will be super productive

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    Week 1 and week 14?  What about in between that?

    Dobson and Thompkins?  The two who seem to flip flop on the depth chart every week?

    Jules has been the only consistent one here.  Won't hold my breath on the rest. They seem to show up then take a leave of absence.  Can not depend on anyone except Jules.

    What happened with Boyce during the game?

     

     
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    Football is the ultimate team sport. I don't believe it ever comes down to one play or one player. The game is 60 minutes and minute 1 is just as importent as minute 59.

    Not to sound like a broken record but the wheels started coming off the wagon early on, after scoring 10, and we stopped running Blount and McDaniels tried to go back to the Brady Kool-Aid and the O became feet in cement. Miami runs off 17 unanswered and now we need to run the game in a manner that we should not have had to do.

    What happened to KISS? Keep it simply stupid? My Dad was fond of saying the best school in life was the school of hard knocks. Too much thinking leads to folks over thinking and reacting to stuff because they feel it's their job to do "something"

    If it aint broke, don't fix it. NE was running well, controlling the clock nicely. Not fancy, no TB kool aid, but  very methodical control the game football.

    What thought process enters McDaniel's head that makes him think too much? react to non-existent boogie men under the bed?

    Josh McDaniels is to Casey Jones as Casey Jones is to Josh McDaniels.

    We are last against the run in run D, please keep our D off the field as much as possible.

    It was a collective let down, many had a role in it.

     
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    Amendola's drop didn't cost the Pats the win, it was not scoring a td on the first drive of the game and the other time the Pat's were in the red zone. FG's are just not going to cut it....  

     
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    Hooman caught a 1 handed pass for a td and the defenders hands were all over his arms and the ball.  Danny boy should have made his catch.  He had both his hands on the ball and allowed it to get away from him.  He had a good game but let the game winner get away.

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    So the defensive player gets zero credit for ripping the ball out of his hands?

     
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    A big, strong WR or TE with big, strong hands would have caught that ball.  But that's not a knock on Amendola.  He isn't that kind of receiver.  And that's the problem.  With Gronk, Dobson, and Thompkins out, we are stuck without many big receiving threats in the red zone.  That's going to be a challenge, because our current crop of receivers are space guys, not guys who can fight for the ball and win with a big defender draped all over them. 

     

     
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    If the defense makes a stop at the end of the game when needed most, the pass wouldn't have mattered.

    If Ghost hits the 48 yard FG, and doesn't kick out of bounds, the pass wouldn't have mattered.

    1 for 4 in the redzone, will never cut it.

    Let's face the facts folks, it was a team loss like usual. Being that the offense has won a few nail biters in the last few weeks, sure would be nice if the defense could win one for us....

    Not quite sure why the run was not used more through out the game, it was working.

     
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    Right now the Pats are 18th against the pass and 31st against the run. Yes injuries and what have you but we are what we are right now and it's unlikely they can fix the D this late in the season.

    Keep your D off the field as much as possible and that starts with giving Blount more than 4 carries in the second half of the game.

     
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    Hooman caught a 1 handed pass for a td and the defenders hands were all over his arms and the ball.  Danny boy should have made his catch.  He had both his hands on the ball and allowed it to get away from him.  He had a good game but let the game winner get away.

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    So the defensive player gets zero credit for ripping the ball out of his hands?

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    The D player should get some credit but what allowed the break up was the bobble and the lack of pulling it in. It wasn't like he caught it leaping by the tip of the ball. It was right in his palms which should have been a clean catch but he bobbled it and couldn't tuck it away. We have seen Edelman, Dobson, Vereen, and yes even Collie make similar catches with the CB right on top of them. The difference was they caught it cleanly and tucked it away. 

     
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    Catch seals it.....

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    That wasnt a drop. That was a great individual play by a defender. Amendola played a great game yesterday but our D pretty much was non existent down the stretch and the ghost didnt help

     
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    Hooman caught a 1 handed pass for a td and the defenders hands were all over his arms and the ball.  Danny boy should have made his catch.  He had both his hands on the ball and allowed it to get away from him.  He had a good game but let the game winner get away.

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    So the defensive player gets zero credit for ripping the ball out of his hands?

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    The D player should get some credit but what allowed the break up was the bobble and the lack of pulling it in. It wasn't like he caught it leaping by the tip of the ball. It was right in his palms which should have been a clean catch but he bobbled it and couldn't tuck it away. We have seen Edelman, Dobson, Vereen, and yes even Collie make similar catches with the CB right on top of them. The difference was they caught it cleanly and tucked it away. 

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    yesterday in the Dallas game Dez Bryant had a similar play albeit not in the end zone and he had the ball stripped and after he had control of the ball. If D-backs can get a hand in beteen the hands of the reciever there is a pretty good chance they can rip the ball out. It happens all the time to receivers in the NFL even the best of them.

    BTW, Edelman dropped a ball inside the 5 along the sideline, Dobson has had his fair share of drops this year and Vereen has had a few drops lately (although he does have a cast on his wrist).

    No doubt guys like Gronk and Tony gonzalez make those types of plays a good % of the time but d-backs stripping the ball is going to happen.

    If you feel the need to lay blame on an indivisual look no further than the kicker and the 3rd/4th down D.

     

     
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    Picture in CC times sports today is the play...Amendola is a foot above defender, with ball on FINGERTIPS, with defenders hands not even close. Clearly a drop!

     
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    Even if Danny does make the catch, unless the clock was 0:00, how do we know the D wasnt gonna allow another scoring drive? Wouldnt have took much time...seriously though, if you have Dez or Calvin, than thats a drop. A guy that is 5'9 180 cant do that. DBs lift weights too. He has both hands on it while the DB uses his hand to push it out. This is whats gonna happen until you get a bigger redzone threat. Fade route was not in play. For this reason , you have to run in the redzone now.

     
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    Well, his drop was at least contested. He didn't drop it in the open field.

    Then again ... the game should never have been at that point. 

     

    The defense has to seal it for once. Ghost can't be kicking out of bounds. And his miss, ouch, that was the game. If he hits that 48 yarder ... NE ends this with a chipshot FG.

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    yep and had it not been for three incredible late game combacks the patriots would have lost their fith game in a row today and be sitting at seven and seven in second place.

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    Courtesy of the offense.  Defense, when will you be the group we credit for a win?

     
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    Even if Danny does make the catch, unless the clock was 0:00, how do we know the D wasnt gonna allow another scoring drive? Wouldnt have took much time...seriously though, if you have Dez or Calvin, than thats a drop. A guy that is 5'9 180 cant do that. DBs lift weights too. He has both hands on it while the DB uses his hand to push it out. This is whats gonna happen until you get a bigger redzone threat. Fade route was not in play. For this reason , you have to run in the redzone now.

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    GASP - you mean Pats actually run the ball on 3-1 and 3-2 plays?? Seriously, inside the 5 with goal to go, EVERY other team in league RUNS 2 out of 3 downs if not all 3....Pats its 2 out of 3 passes if not all 3 passes...It has to be the "Brady Show" for Pats

     
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    Even if Danny does make the catch, unless the clock was 0:00, how do we know the D wasnt gonna allow another scoring drive? Wouldnt have took much time...seriously though, if you have Dez or Calvin, than thats a drop. A guy that is 5'9 180 cant do that. DBs lift weights too. He has both hands on it while the DB uses his hand to push it out. This is whats gonna happen until you get a bigger redzone threat. Fade route was not in play. For this reason , you have to run in the redzone now.

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    GASP - you mean Pats actually run the ball on 3-1 and 3-2 plays?? Seriously, inside the 5 with goal to go, EVERY other team in league RUNS 2 out of 3 downs if not all 3....Pats its 2 out of 3 passes if not all 3 passes...It has to be the "Brady Show" for Pats

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    No trust in the O-line to make blocks for successful run plays?

     
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    are you serious... amendola's drop? if he caught that ball, that would have been AMAZING.

    here's something to think of... that 4th & 8 catch where he got CLOCKED, I said i bet Welker would've dropped that.

    cant blame a drop on great coverage as he's getting hit trying to bring it in. BOyce had drops, those are drops

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    Had it in his hands.  Should have tucked it.

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    If you saw it closely enough the defender did a great job knocking the ball away. He didn't have any time to tuck it away. Give credit to the defender for making a great play. 

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    Even if Danny does make the catch, unless the clock was 0:00, how do we know the D wasnt gonna allow another scoring drive? Wouldnt have took much time...seriously though, if you have Dez or Calvin, than thats a drop. A guy that is 5'9 180 cant do that. DBs lift weights too. He has both hands on it while the DB uses his hand to push it out. This is whats gonna happen until you get a bigger redzone threat. Fade route was not in play. For this reason , you have to run in the redzone now.

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    GASP - you mean Pats actually run the ball on 3-1 and 3-2 plays?? Seriously, inside the 5 with goal to go, EVERY other team in league RUNS 2 out of 3 downs if not all 3....Pats its 2 out of 3 passes if not all 3 passes...It has to be the "Brady Show" for Pats

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    No trust in the O-line to make blocks for successful run plays?

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    Yesterday average was 4.4 YPC, Blount was hammering Fins.......Been the "Brady show" for years a few great examples are Playoff loss to Jets BJGE getting 5 yards a carry opening drive, get inside 10 and now pass and Brady gets picked - Cincy game, first and goal from 1 but Brady has TD pass streak so they HAVE to try 3 passes and cost themselves game.

     
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    Well, his drop was at least contested. He didn't drop it in the open field.

    Then again ... the game should never have been at that point. 

     

    The defense has to seal it for once. Ghost can't be kicking out of bounds. And his miss, ouch, that was the game. If he hits that 48 yarder ... NE ends this with a chipshot FG.

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    So true...  the offense has won games coming from behind late with scores, literally, at the end of the game.  The D, NEEDS to hold the other team when that team gets the ball back with 3 - 5 minutes left needing one score to go ahead.  I understand the injuries have played a part in the play of this D, but, for all his defensive genius, couldn't BB figure out something to stop the bleeding and the consistent giving up plays when the other team is in a 3rd and long situation?

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    Not if he doesn't have enough talent or depth on defense to work with !!

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    Look no farther than our kicker the homers love so much for the goat in this loss.

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    I'm not blaming ghost for the loss he didn't have the best of days missed FG and kicking the ball out of bounds with 4 min left. He won a lot of games this year weather u think the FG were easy or not, they went through. If we could have made a couple of stops its a mute point. 

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    He has won a lot of games for us. He cost us huge today. The kickoff was inexcuseable.

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    Reminded me how we won SB 38.  Our D gave up 29 points in an easier era to defend which was an appalling day for the defense, but Jon Kasay bailed us out.

    In fact, Reiss made mention of this tonight.

    I wish our QB could lead us to more than 20 points and help out our D which has been decimated and in an far more difficult era to defend in.

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    He could have if Miami's defenders weren't allover our receivers at crucial times. If you actually watched the game, when it counted Miami front line did a great job pressuring Brady who had no one open to throw to. As we've been writing about for it seems an eternity, since the day when Randy Moss was gone the Pats haven't had an outside receiver with speed to stretch the field. And without Gronk the offense loses the one big target they have. 

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    yesterday in the Dallas game Dez Bryant had a similar play albeit not in the end zone and he had the ball stripped and after he had control of the ball. If D-backs can get a hand in beteen the hands of the reciever there is a pretty good chance they can rip the ball out. It happens all the time to receivers in the NFL even the best of them.

    BTW, Edelman dropped a ball inside the 5 along the sideline, Dobson has had his fair share of drops this year and Vereen has had a few drops lately (although he does have a cast on his wrist).

    No doubt guys like Gronk and Tony gonzalez make those types of plays a good % of the time but d-backs stripping the ball is going to happen.

    If you feel the need to lay blame on an indivisual look no further than the kicker and the 3rd/4th down D.

     

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    The difference is that the defender didn't get their hand between the ball until after the bobble. Minus that bobble Amendola could have pulled it down at which point his entire body would have prevented the defender from reaching in. I was the bobble that prevented the clean catch and allowed the chance for the defender to get his hand in to knock it out.

     
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    Settling for FG's instead of trying to score is a recipe for losing. Look back at the Panthers game. Forget the non call on Gronk, too many FG's. Especially bad inside the 10. 3 long drives, come away with 6pts. One good drive a missed FG. There you have it! Coaching to not lose, rather to win. Philbin coached to win. BB has become too conservative. No criticism that way!

     
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    If you saw it closely enough the defender did a great job knocking the ball away. He didn't have any time to tuck it away. Give credit to the defender for making a great play. 

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    The non call on the obvious interference in the 4th quarter on Hoomanawanui didn't help either. I loved the excuses by the network commentators on this non call. Sort of like, it's late in the game so just let them play, or another words don't bother making a call on a crucial play late in the game. Since when do NFL officials not make calls like this late in games ? A rather strange comment if not ill advised comment. 

    Hetch

     
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