Re: Analyzing the interception.
posted at 12/16/2011 11:05 PM EST
In Response to Re: Analyzing the interception.
In Response to Re: Analyzing the interception. : First of all that is not a contradiction. I never said that the Broncos have a good passing game. I said that a good passing game makes a defense better. I do not think that the Broncos could have "protected" Orton. First of all, I do not think Orton is capable of running the option. Second, he throw interceptions at a much higher rate than Tebow. Orton threw 7 picks in 155 attempts while Tebow has thrown just 2 in 198 attempts. He may not be accurate, but he makes good decisions with the ball. He is definitely not "terrible". By the way, the Broncos threw more than the ran against the Bears (and moved the ball much better they more they threw the ball). I am not sure what makes you think we have a good running game. The Patriots average 4.0 yards per carry (good for 20th in the NFL). The NFL average YPC is 4.2 so by definition they are below average when they run the ball. BJGE is down to 3.8 yards per carry and his numbers have gotten worse over the course of the season. Ridley has the only three runs over 20 yards by the Patriots this year (and those came back in week 4 - he has 83 yards on 30 carries since). Just for comparison Tebow has four 20+ yard runs - more than the entire Patriots team.
Posted by FrnkBnhm
Sorry if I came off as combative, I seem to have been on the defensive this entire thread.
I don't think the Broncos ran the option until Tebow arrived, but the Dolphins had a late surge of greatness in them with Hall at QB also, some teams played better later with little training camp and off season, no doubt Denver played better when they started running more often and their defense magically got better.
Orton's final game as a starter they Broncos ran the ball 23 times, Tebow's first game as a starter they ran the ball 40 times, the game this past Sunday against the Bears they ran it 38 times.
Only Houston runs the ball more than the Broncos, just think if they started Tebow from the beginning they'd be at #1 in running attempts. Look at the Bronco's schedule and look at how low scoring all the games were for the defense after Tebow took over and they ramped up the running attempts.
I don't dispute that Orton isn't great but I stated that previously in this thread, and yeah Tebow threw it 40 times against the Bears but he only completed 21. In the playoffs 50% passing won't get you through the AFC championship game, the defenses are too good and everyone can stop the run. Do you recall what Green Bay and Detroit did to him?
Another example could be Denver game one and two;
Keyshon Moreno Game 1; 8 carries, 22 yards, 2.8 YPC Loss
McGahee starts Game 2; 28 carries, 101 yards, 3.6 YPC Win
After that their defense was terrible for stretches early, sure Orton wasn't great but he never was and they were moving it on the ground and scoring some points.
The Pats average 4 yards a carry, not too bad, but the teams that average more attempts typically their average rises. The Pats have had no continuity at runningback either, but Ridely and Law Firm have been healthy almost the entire season.
Ridely averaging 4.8 yards a carry and dangerous in the pass game looks good to me. I prefer to make him the featured back and use Law Firm as a utility guy but that's a whole other thread entirely.
We have Logan Mankins and Brian Waters at Guard, just about every one of our lineman has been or will go (Solder) to a Pro Bowl. We've never been more talented at Oline during BB's tenure.
Yeah we can run the ball well if we choose to, we don't by design, player health or by ineptitude depending how you look at it.