ANDREW LUCK: ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AND MVP?

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    Jints, did the Mayan Calander also predict Eli falling apart in the 2nd half of games this year?  1-3 in their last 4?  Was that on the docket?

     
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    Jints, did the Mayan Calander also predict Eli falling apart in the 2nd half of games this year?  1-3 in their last 4?  Was that on the docket?




    eli isnt 1-3 the TEAM is...u kind of get that right?



     It not the avatar. Its you--- why are you on here? Seriously, why are you on here?

     
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      If you are here just for conversation, why not answer me?

      Is it because, I have not given you a reason to call us cheaters? Or a good spot to bring up spygate? What is it?

     
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    Luck deserves votes, for sure. 1-15(?) to winning. HE won't come close to getting it, but a few votes for sure. 

    Don't be suckered by pure stat lines either. 

    HE's been asked to do much more than RGIII IMO from a QBing perspective. RGIII takes off and runs, this masks the fact that he has only thrown for 2000 yards, and might not break 3000. Sorry, but I can't see a clear cut advantage in a QB in who has that RB, that defense, and doesn't crack 3000 yards. RGIII could get a vote, but he isn't head and shoulders above Luck.

    In five years, Luck will be going to Pro Bowls while RGIII will be a footnote. 

    Personally, I think Brady is a slam dunk at this point, kind of dragging a bad defense over the threshhold again, putting up historic numbers with an offense that has been terribly injured. But there are others who deserve votes. Luck is surely one of them.



    Weren't you preaching efficiency stats yesterday.  The reason Luck throws 40 times a game is simple, the coaches aren't doing a good job.  There's really no excuse for relying on a QB who's that inefficient.  it's like the run vs pass argument on here.  You don't continually run it if it doesn't work, but you don't continually pass it if if it doesn't work either.

    I look at it like this.  If RGIII threw 40 times a game would he have 4000 yards?  Efficiency stats show that about 30 QBs would have more yards than luck if they had thrown as many passes.  Gross passing yardage totals mean very little and have no correlation to winning games.  Passer rating and completion percentage and turnovers are all correlated to winning games.  Things Luck does poorly.  




    not only do you have an anti-luck agenda but he is going to make a major fool out of you in a few years...

     

    No, he's making a fool out of you this year.  I never made any claim about how he will play in future years.

     

    I don't have an anti-Luck agenda, I just won't buy into another 1st round, sure thing HOF QB when the last 20+ have been failures.  Look at all of the HOF QBs from now going back-

    Brady-6th round

    Manning-1st overall

    Favre- 2nd round

    Brees- 2nd round

    Marino- 27th overall

    Montana- 3rd round

    Warner- undrafted

    Elway-1st overall

    So in 30 years only 2 of the first picked QBs lived up to their hype and most of the HOF guys came from unexpected spots from the 2nd to undrafted.  I think HOF quarterbacks are like black swan events and the chances that anybody can predict one are very slim (as history has shown).  So I will declare him great when he plays great in the NFL, and I haven't seen anything close to it yet.




    thats all fair and I agree with you...but it seems you have no problem annointing RG3 while knocking Luck so that tends to dilute the point a bit

    but yes ur right no position will get the hype or have the spectacular busts quite like QB



    Well RGIII is a top 5 QB efficiency wise but like Alex Smith he has not had to carry the team or do anything in the playoffs.  So I would vote RGIII for ROY, but further than that...  Not much else.  Best rookie this year isn't really a huge accomplishment historically.  I just can't get past Luck's completion percentage and INT's.  Modern NFL QBs complete 60%+ of passes other than Tebow.  I need to see more.  Maybe his coaches just tossed him to the wolves, but still I've seen too many rookie QBs come out and be efficient in the last 5 years for me to ignore the numbers (Newton, Dalton).

     
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    Re: ANDREW LUCK: ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AND MVP?

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      If you are here just for conversation, why not answer me?

      Is it because, I have not given you a reason to call us cheaters? Or a good spot to bring up spygate? What is it?




    I have never seen him call us cheaters.

     
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      If you are here just for conversation, why not answer me?

      Is it because, I have not given you a reason to call us cheaters? Or a good spot to bring up spygate? What is it?




    I have never seen him call us cheaters.




    thanks babe :  )

    like u said NEVER called Pats that, never gave much creedence to Spygate and have never brought it up or mentioned it no matter what the subject or argument-not once

    hell I support brady and welker more than some pats fans here which is ridiculous

    and most of the time i talk football and do not get personal-unlike some including one major yahoo who does nothing but get personal and insulting


     You are full of it. I have seen you say that. I am not going to go through 10,000 threads to find them. Your agenda is obvious.

     

     
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    In response to jerh5's comment:

    In response to JintsFan's comment:

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    In response to jerh5's comment:

      If you are here just for conversation, why not answer me?

      Is it because, I have not given you a reason to call us cheaters? Or a good spot to bring up spygate? What is it?




    I have never seen him call us cheaters.




    thanks babe :  )

    like u said NEVER called Pats that, never gave much creedence to Spygate and have never brought it up or mentioned it no matter what the subject or argument-not once

    hell I support brady and welker more than some pats fans here which is ridiculous

    and most of the time i talk football and do not get personal-unlike some including one major yahoo who does nothing but get personal and insulting


     You are full of it. I have seen you say that. I am not going to go through 10,000 threads to find them. Your agenda is obvious.

     At least with leon, you know where you stand. It's a lot easier to ignore him because he doesn't come on here with any false pretenses.




     
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