Re: ANDREW LUCK: ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AND MVP?
posted at 12/6/2012 12:50 PM EST
In response to shenanigan's comment:
In response to UD6's comment:
In response to shenanigan's comment:
Colts were in the playoffs 2 years ago, SB 3. Luck is the most overrated player of all time. His numbers are nearly identical to Mark Sanchez.
Luck- 55.5% comp, 17TD, 16INT, 76.1 passer rating
So, that's 2nd in most pass attempts, 32nd in completion percentage, 14the most TDs, Leads the league in INTs, and is 29th in the NFL in passer rating.
If that's MVP numbers, how about Palmer, same number of passes, completed a higher percent, threw more TDs and less INTs for the 20th best rating.
Sanchez- 55% comp, 12 TD, 13 INT, 71.4 rating. (numbers nearly identical to Luck)
Heres what an MVP line looks like
Brady 65.8% comp, 25TD, 5 INT, 102.6 rating
I know, Luck had a couple of comebacks, but he wouldn't have to come back if he didn't keep stinking it up in games.
MVP is going to come down to Brady, Manning, or Rogers.
ROY should go to Griffin
Griffin- 67% comp, 17TDs, 4INTs, 104.4 rating.
So what logical reason should Luck get either award?
I would never suggest that he get MVP, but he certainly has to be in the conversation for ROY.
I'll use one of the very basic (and Patriot fan friendly stats-which I don't always subscribe to) Wins. He's got more wins than the others. That's what Pats fans always used to say when comparing Brady and Manning. As I said, however, I don't really subscribe to that but I'll use to support my further comments.
1. He has more wins with less talent. Currently both Sea and Wash have top 10 RB's according to Football Outsiders but Indy doesn't have one in the top 20.
2. Football outsiders actually has Sidney Rice AND Golden Tate ranked higher than Reggie Wayne. Griffin has Garcon back and Santana Moss is only a few slots below Wayne.
3. Rotoworld ranked the colts offensive line 31st in the preseason and Profootball focus has them most recently at 26th below all others.
4. Football outsiders has just ranked the colts defense 31st, climbing out of the cellar for the first week in many weeks while Seattle ranks 6th and Washington ranks 20th.
The point I am trying to make is that the colts just aren't very good, and many here know I mean this because I've said it countless times. Has Luck made plenty of mistakes? Sure, but look at what he has around him. He presses which sometimes results in mistakes, because he has to press. I remind all that Luck actually put the colts in position to win one of their games only to have it lost in the last minute on a 1st play from scrimmage 85 yard touchdown by the Jags. And with only :45 left almost won that game too. Otherwise, they'd be 9-3.
Given the talent and experience (or lack therof) on this team, they should not have nearly the record they have. In fact, most were predicting somewhere in the 3-4 win range.
There is nothing else anyone can point to for this team's success than Luck. Yes, you could include Wayne, but Luck has to throw him the ball, and its not as if Wayne is a breakaway receiver.
No running game. No oline. No defense. 8-4 and currently holding down the top wild card position.
He deserves consideration.
Let me help you here. Football outsiders is a bunch of baloney. Wayne is one of the NFL's best receivers and the Colts defense is OK. Considering the QB is a turnover machine Im surprised their stats aren't worse.
What??? A boston based football site. Baloney?? Isn't that sacrilege?? I fear for your boston soul my friend.
I have no issue with any one taking any site's rankings with a grain of salt. That said, its not a subjective site. Its a statistical site, so no one there is calling the colts d bad just because they want to.
Say what you will about Luck, but there's not another rookie in the league that is expected to do more for his team than Luck. And regardless of his int's, his efforts have produced an 8-4 record when only a few were expected.