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    Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/9/2010 10:23 PM EDT

    So I'm sitting here watching Ohio state vs Michigan (1997), replay game on the Big Ten network, and all I can see is that Andy Katzenmoyer is an absolute beast .. 6'4" - 260lbs and as fast as anyone on the field.  He was a disaster as draft pick, but no way you can blame the Pats .. he was a monster among monsters.

    Makes me think that the NFL draft is waaay more about luck than research.

    -Maddog
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/9/2010 10:24 PM EDT

    In Response to Andy Katzenmoyer:
    Makes me think that the NFL draft is waaay more about luck than research. -Maddog
    Posted by Maddog67


    sometimes it is
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/9/2010 10:32 PM EDT

    He was very good prior to his injury. Most ppeople call him a bust, but it wasn't because of talent--his career was cut short. What can you do about that? *shrug*

     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/9/2010 11:34 PM EDT

    He had the talent, but suffered a career ending neck injury that could have crippled him for life if not killed him. It wasn't a lack of research & a pick not panning out, it was an injury nobody could foresee. If he doesn't get hurt, it's more likely he becomes a star than a failure.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 12:02 AM EDT

    He was a pretty good player. I don't remember injuries so much as I remember him having some pretty serious mental issues. 
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 1:16 AM EDT

    I don't remember him making much of a contribution to the Pats. Was he a Pete Carroll draft selection? Over the years I'm seen tons of busts by every NFL team.
    It is a roll of the dice. The best job of drafting I ever saw by any NFL team was the 49ers under Bill Walsh. Presently, I think the Steelers do a good job of drafting considering how far down the round they draft. Same for the Colts. I think Parcels
    is a superior to Belichick when it comes to the draft. I think Belichick  over dose the versitility thing. He is always looking for guys who can play multiple positions.
    That's good but maybe it can result in players who are a Jack of all trades and a master of none.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 6:33 AM EDT

    I remember a great Borges line re Katzenmoyer "It was if the blocker was velcroed to him".
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 8:14 AM EDT

    katzenmoyer basically broke his neck...prior to that he was a good player ron borges is belichick hating plagerizer...i dont read anything he steals from someone else...

     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 8:50 AM EDT

    IMO can't call this guy a bust because of the type of injury.  He tryed coming back from a broken neck but was not the same player and I can't blame him for that. 
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 9:32 AM EDT

    The guy slipped in the draft because he had a poor junior season, he was having trouble diagnosing plays and getting off blocks. He was probably the most talented linebacker in the draft that year or most any year and was starting to play well for us until he hurt his neck.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 9:40 AM EDT

    Katz wasn't a bad player. Wasn't a bust but wasn't a pro bowler. He was young and still learning the ropes. If it weren't for the neck injury he probably could still be playing
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 11:58 AM EDT

    It wasn't that he had a bad junior year, it's just that he had such phenomenal freshman and sophomore years. He was good enough that Archie Griffith actually allowed his number to be un-retired to let Katz wear it. I grew up in MA, but live in Ohio, Katz was the 2nd coming here before he got hurt, I was ecstatic when the Pat's drafted him
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 1:12 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Andy Katzenmoyer:
    It wasn't that he had a bad junior year, it's just that he had such phenomenal freshman and sophomore years. He was good enough that Archie Griffith actually allowed his number to be un-retired to let Katz wear it. I grew up in MA, but live in Ohio, Katz was the 2nd coming here before he got hurt, I was ecstatic when the Pat's drafted him
    Posted by slakrking


    You're right his first two years were unbelievable, based off those couple of years he could have been a top 5 pick.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 2:59 PM EDT

    It would be extremely unfair to call Katzenmoyer a bust.  He was a promising young player before the neck injury completely derailed his career.  He would have gone to to a long career as a starting middle linebacker if not for that injury.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 7:49 PM EDT

    In Response to Andy Katzenmoyer:
    So I'm sitting here watching Ohio state vs Michigan (1997), replay game on the Big Ten network, and all I can see is that Andy Katzenmoyer is an absolute beast .. 6'4" - 260lbs and as fast as anyone on the field.  He was a disaster as draft pick, but no way you can blame the Pats .. he was a monster among monsters. Makes me think that the NFL draft is waaay more about luck than research. -Maddog
    Posted by Maddog67


    The Patriots have had three great linebackers go down because of severe injuries.  Andy and Don Blackmon with almost the same neck injury and Todd Collins with severe knee injuies.  These three would have played in many ProBowl games.  I was lucky enough to be in the stadium for all of their home games and get to see their superb play even though their careers were very short.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 9:49 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Andy Katzenmoyer:
    In Response to Andy Katzenmoyer : The Patriots have had three great linebackers go down because of severe injuries.  Andy and Don Blackmon with almost the same neck injury and Todd Collins with severe knee injuies.  These three would have played in many ProBowl games.  I was lucky enough to be in the stadium for all of their home games and get to see their superb play even though their careers were very short.
    Posted by Clay73

     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/10/2010 9:57 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Andy Katzenmoyer:
    In Response to Andy Katzenmoyer : The Patriots have had three great linebackers go down because of severe injuries.  Andy and Don Blackmon with almost the same neck injury and Todd Collins with severe knee injuies.  These three would have played in many ProBowl games.  I was lucky enough to be in the stadium for all of their home games and get to see their superb play even though their careers were very short.
    Posted by Clay73


    Don Blackmon!!!!   with Nelson, Tippet  and him we had some LBs. When he went down we never recovered that talent.. was it Oakland  when he got hurt ?

    and, again come on Katzenmoyer had a broken neck !!!! it's  tough to " stick it " to some one when ..oh... paralylsis is a posibility
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/11/2010 3:12 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Andy Katzenmoyer:
    In Response to Re: Andy Katzenmoyer : Don Blackmon!!!!   with Nelson, Tippet  and him we had some LBs. When he went down we never recovered that talent.. was it Oakland  when he got hurt ? and, again come on Katzenmoyer had a broken neck !!!! it's  tough to " stick it " to some one when ..oh... paralylsis is a posibility
    Posted by mgraham


    Yes, I think it may have been against Oakland. Don was drafted much later in the 4th round, I remember from Tulsa and slipped so late because of a neck injury he had in his junior rear at Tulsa. I would often think that perhaps he was a better OLB than Andre Tippett but the three were a great unit to watch.  I think Andy had his neck injury in college first time also.
     

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    Re: Andy Katzenmoyer

    posted at 4/12/2010 12:02 AM EDT

    He suffered a neck injury during his first season with the Patriots that eventually forced him to have surgery and miss half of the 2000 season. During training camp in 2001, Katzenmoyer walked out citing concern about a feeling in his neck. He was later released.

    Congrats to him for not being a macho knucklehead and ending up paralyzed.