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    Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:11 PM EST

    Did anyone else check out the last punt return from Indy's game.  Ed Reed trying to lateral, doesn't execute, Indy recovers a fumble as called on the field.  After reviewing, it's apparent his lateral was actually a forward pass - but the fumble ruling stands.  Indy escapes (actually they did deserve to win - Ravens utterly failed all day in the red zone).  A question to those who saw it (I'm far from an expert on the rules) - why was that not called an illegal forward pass - with Baltimore retaining possession?
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:15 PM EST

    it was a fumble, his arm wasn't coming forward even if the ball was slightly.  i tried every way imaginable to convince myself of the same but couldn't
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:17 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    it was a fumble, his arm wasn't coming forward even if the ball was slightly.  i tried every way imaginable to convince myself of the same but couldn't
    Posted by pauldeba


    I agree the ball was out, of course whether I agree or not is immaterial - but didn't the ball go forward?  Sure looked like it.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:29 PM EST

    The ball definitely went forward. I still think it was a fumble. Reed was running forward got hit and tried to lateral. During the lateral motion he got hit again and the ball's direction changed from a lateral to forward. Don't really know what the refs said to one another or if this is what they saw, but thats how I saw it.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:33 PM EST

    "but didn't the ball go forward? 

    if his arm isn't going foward and the ball is, it is a fumble, not a legal lateral, not an illegal lateral
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:38 PM EST

    colts lucked out on ravens missing an easy fg plus an interception near the 10 yard line late in the game. they have a good chance to go 16-0 but will probably lose to the chargers, patriots or someone their first playoff game. manning is a great qb but  they have had some big breaks.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 4:39 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    "but didn't the ball go forward?  if his arm isn't going foward and the ball is, it is a fumble, not a legal lateral, not an illegal lateral
    Posted by pauldeba


    Ah, now it makes sense.  Thanks.  Oh well, in the grand scheme of things, it's probably better for us that Baltimore didn't win.  Picked up a game on them in case it comes down to a battle for the wild card.  But geez, I can't stand Indy (don't care for the Ravens much either - LOL :))
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 5:34 PM EST

    How about some in depth reporting from the Globe on the refs and Indy?????
    Personally I don't care if the Ravens win.....I do want to know if there is any trend showing in how the Colts are being called in games..and not just against the Pats. Reed's knee was down on that call......but Ravens blew it on the silly INT anyways...........
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 7:19 PM EST

    Watched most of the game and didn't really notice calls going one way or the other. I personnally thought it was a fumble. When Reed's knee was down, even though he still had the ball in his hand, it didn't look like he had control of it. As for whether or not his arm was moving forward, it was tough to tell. Looked to me like the contact from a Colt's player was the cause of the ball going forward.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 7:48 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    Ultimately what he was or was not trying to do doesn't matter.  Even if they had called him down and no lateral.  They had 12 seconds to complete 3 plays without a timeout.  1.  down the field pass. 2.  spike the ball 3.  kick the field goal
    Posted by underdoggg

    Why do you think they would have had to spike the ball. It could be a sideline pass. 

    Oh, wait, are they now letting Colts FANS in on the calls before the game, too?

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 7:53 PM EST

    What I thought was really funny about that game was how wildly the Ravens fans clapped every time that they drove downfield and had to settle for a field goal instead of a touchdown. The only way you beat the Colts is by scoring touchdowns. They should have been booing their team to put them on alert that settling for field goals against the Colts is unacceptable. The Ravens deserved to lose. 
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 9:10 PM EST

    I thought about that too - I thought it was a forward pass.  If you watched the game, there were quite a few close calls that went against the Colts.  Most notably the Ravens fumbled the kickoff following the Colts' opening drive TD.  It was called a fumble, recovered by Indy, on the field.  The replay was as close as the 4-2 call against the Pats.  Oddly, the refs overeturned it, which was somewhat surprising.  I'm not sure what I'd have called, but I think the refs might have gotten it right.  Another call went against the Colts: a fumble call late in the game in which the Colts ripped the ball out of a Raven's hand, the ball went backwards about 15 yards where the Ravens recovered it.  The refs overturned that too, it was ruled not a fumble and gave the Ravens the ball where the ball carrier lost it.  I kind of agreed he was down, but it was very close.   The final call went the Colts' way, but let me tell you that there weren't many close calls that went the Colts' way...but over-all it was a well-called game (just like last week).
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 9:31 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    I thought about that too - I thought it was a forward pass.  If you watched the game, there were quite a few close calls that went against the Colts.  Most notably the Ravens fumbled the kickoff following the Colts' opening drive TD.  It was called a fumble, recovered by Indy, on the field.  The replay was as close as the 4-2 call against the Pats.  Oddly, the refs overeturned it, which was somewhat surprising.  I'm not sure what I'd have called, but I think the refs might have gotten it right.  Another call went against the Colts: a fumble call late in the game in which the Colts ripped the ball out of a Raven's hand, the ball went backwards about 15 yards where the Ravens recovered it.  The refs overturned that too, it was ruled not a fumble and gave the Ravens the ball where the ball carrier lost it.  I kind of agreed he was down, but it was very close.   The final call went the Colts' way, but let me tell you that there weren't many close calls that went the Colts' way...but over-all it was a well-called game (just like last week).
    Posted by JulesWinfield

    Still in denial about last week. What a maroon.

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 10:07 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : That's too bad Root.  You'll get over it. 
    Posted by underdoggg


    We will get over it after a healthy Patriots team with weapons at the wr position and youth on defense for the first time since 04 beat manning into submission in the playoffs.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 10:47 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : Oh we're going to talk injuries now?
    Posted by underdoggg

    Oh wait. Here it comes.

    The rant about the injuries. The other rant about the roughing of the receivers.  And, the funniest one of all, the rant about the calls the Colts don't get.

    You are extremely defensive for a fan of a team that has gone 10-0 *, don't you agree? It is like you don't believe they got there fairly yourself.

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 10:58 PM EST

    The colts have the greatest weapon and most impossible man to cover in NFL history....Bill Pollian.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/22/2009 11:04 PM EST

    In Response to Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    Did anyone else check out the last punt return from Indy's game.  Ed Reed trying to lateral, doesn't execute, Indy recovers a fumble as called on the field.  After reviewing, it's apparent his lateral was actually a forward pass - but the fumble ruling stands.  Indy escapes (actually they did deserve to win - Ravens utterly failed all day in the red zone).  A question to those who saw it (I'm far from an expert on the rules) - why was that not called an illegal forward pass - with Baltimore retaining possession?
    Posted by simroy

    I actually just looked up the rule.

    Rule 8 Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble

    Section 1 Forward Pass

    Supplement 5 An intentional fumble forward is a forward pass.

    Now, I saw the play and it was definitely intentional. And it definitely went forward. And it was definitely ruled a fumble and not a forward pass.

    I am no longer amazed that the refs forget the rulebook when the Colts take the field.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:12 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : Thanks for joining our injury discussion.  I've moved on from SPOTGATE.  Call me Belichick.
    Posted by underdoggg

    You have?

    I find that hard to believe since you have now named it. You also keep bringing up how it was the right call as if repeating it will make it true. That doesn't seem like you've moved past it. You seem pretty stuck.

    Since you say you are past it, care to weigh in on yet another incorrect call from the refs to benefit the Colts? I mean the rulebook even clarifies the situation about intentional fumbles that go forward being forward passes. 

    How do they manage to keep getting it wrong to benefit the Colts? You would think someone wold notice by now.


     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:17 AM EST

    In Response to Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    Did anyone else check out the last punt return from Indy's game.  Ed Reed trying to lateral, doesn't execute, Indy recovers a fumble as called on the field.  After reviewing, it's apparent his lateral was actually a forward pass - but the fumble ruling stands.  Indy escapes (actually they did deserve to win - Ravens utterly failed all day in the red zone).  A question to those who saw it (I'm far from an expert on the rules) - why was that not called an illegal forward pass - with Baltimore retaining possession?
    Posted by simroy


    This wasn't the one that cost them the game, that came on the interception.  Baltimore's LT clearly moved before the ball was snapped and there was a NON CALL that ultimately cemented the game for them.
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:29 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Another Call Goes Indy's Way : This wasn't the one that cost them the game, that came on the interception.  Baltimore's LT clearly moved before the ball was snapped and there was a NON CALL that ultimately cemented the game for them.
    Posted by sodiumpentothal

    Yes, but not even the refs could have foreseen that an interception would happen. 

    It does make you wonder if there would have been a late flag if the Ravens had scored a TD. (Well, no it doesn't. They would have thrown the flag.)

    I find it interesting that the rulebook clearly states that an intentional fumble that goes forward is a forward pass but they still ruled it a fumble.

    I wonder how Ron Polian Pereira will explain that one this week.

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:34 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : Yes, but not even the refs could have foreseen that an interception would happen.  It does make you wonder if there would have been a late flag if the Ravens had scored a TD. (Well, no it doesn't. They would have thrown the flag.) I find it interesting that the rulebook clearly states that an intentional fumble that goes forward is a forward pass but they still ruled it a fumble. I wonder how Ron  Polian  Pereira will explain that one this week.
    Posted by EnochRoot

    Your right.  I've seen the same type of play before and the ball is marked dead and a penalty is assesed for the  "illegal forward pass".  Good eye... I trust we may hear something this week about that...
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:37 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : Your right.  I've seen the same type of play before and the ball is marked dead and a penalty is assesed for the  "illegal forward pass".  Good eye... I trust we may hear something this week about that...
    Posted by sodiumpentothal

    I wonder if we will hear about it. I should send Ray Ray a note so he can complain about it tomorrow. Does anyone have his email?

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:44 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : I wonder if we will hear about it. I should send Ray Ray a note so he can complain about it tomorrow. Does anyone have his email?
    Posted by EnochRoot


    If I did,  you'd be the first to get it.  I'm sure you all would spark up some interesting conversation LOL...
     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 12:51 AM EST

    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way:
    In Response to Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way : If I did,  you'd be the first to get it.  I'm sure you all would spark up some interesting conversation LOL...
    Posted by sodiumpentothal

    I don't think he would like me calling him Ray Ray, first of all. And I would throw in that I never went to his super luxurious rib joint that recently folded. Then i would remind him that Brady rushed for a TD over him this year just so he knows where I am coming from.

     

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    Re: Another Call Goes Indy's Way

    posted at 11/23/2009 10:49 AM EST

    The GAME was lost with the stupid, fkun Flacco thowing the ball in triple coverage from the 14 yard line with under 3 minutes left when a field goal would have been most likely good-enough to win.

    Another case of the Raven's coaching staff being losing their football common sense over Manning and throwing the game away in the end.  The ball should have NEVER been put in the air.