another overlooked observation

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    another overlooked observation

    much has been made of Armstead coming off NFI and practicing this week. however, the PAts did have 2 players on NFI. Mark Harrison, the big WR from Rutgers also can come off today and practice with the team for 3 weeks before the team must decide to activate him or not.

    I do not feel that Harrison can be an accomplished WR in this offense, but could he develop into what Hern did? very similar size, speed between both of them

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

     
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    Harrison is from Rutgers?  Superstar in the making.

     
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    Harrison is from Rutgers?  Superstar in the making.

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    Not really but at 6'3" 230 he has a better shot at using that size to box out a CB in the EZ giving Brady a better target than Edelman that close to the EZ

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Well, at the risk of being called a Slater hater, putting him on IR frees up a spot.  Be honest, has anybody missed him? I think the kick coverage has held up just fine. At this point, I'd rather have an extra DT. Washington can go too, he brings basically nothing to the table.

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Well, at the risk of being called a Slater hater, putting him on IR frees up a spot.  Be honest, has anybody missed him? I think the kick coverage has held up just fine. At this point, I'd rather have an extra DT. Washington can go too, he brings basically nothing to the table.

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    I would keep slater active but agree on Washington.

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Why would they put Harrison on the active roster? Sims showed more and he isn't even here. Plus, they worked out 3 wr's and a TE today. One of the wr's was Shipley. i liked him. Thoughts on adding Shipley vs Harison?

     
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    Harrison is from Rutgers?  Superstar in the making.

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    Agreed. All the Rutgers players BB has drafted so far have become household names. All 800 of them.

     
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    I am curious to see who plays the Mike (spikes or Hightower) and who wears the headset on D. Fortson and Armstead should contribute, but this rash of injuries is as bad as I have seen in some time (2003). I pretty much said at the beginning of the year that the non-Brady players the Pats could ill-afford to lose were Wilfork, Mayo and Talib (pretty much in that order too). I do think we could see experienced system players moved around (Nink or Fletcher) and some inexperienced players getting more playing time in situations where the have proven effective in the past (Buchanan pass rusher). SF lost Goldson (FA) Patrick Willis and Aldon Smith currently 3-3. Pats are 5-1. Reed, Suggs, Ngata and Webb for the Ravens last year. This rash of injuries might be unprecedented for the Patriots, but not for any football team. Difficult to overcome, but not insurmountable.

     

    Josh Cribbs signed with Jets. A player I like.

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Why would they put Harrison on the active roster? Sims showed more and he isn't even here. Plus, they worked out 3 wr's and a TE today. One of the wr's was Shipley. i liked him. Thoughts on adding Shipley vs Harison?

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    Shipley is more in the Edelman, Amendola, Collie mold. I also liked Shipley coming out of school, and thought in the right system, he could contribute. Harrison is a different WR however. 6"3" and 240 lbs. Very fast. Very strong. Average hands. Perfect player to stash on the PS and see how he develops for next year. Could be a TE in the Gronk/Graham/ Gonzo mold

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Well, at the risk of being called a Slater hater, putting him on IR frees up a spot.  Be honest, has anybody missed him? I think the kick coverage has held up just fine. At this point, I'd rather have an extra DT. Washington can go too, he brings basically nothing to the table.

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    Thank you....  My cut slater thread just about got me lynched around here...

     
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    playing the numbers game, we have to assume that Mayo having the surgery already means there will be an attempt to get him back this year. since they already used the IR designated to return on Vareen, it seems they will carry Mayo even though he most likely is out until week 14 or so.

    Beauharnis, Bequette, Ebner, Washington could be squeezed off

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Why would they put Harrison on the active roster? Sims showed more and he isn't even here. Plus, they worked out 3 wr's and a TE today. One of the wr's was Shipley. i liked him. Thoughts on adding Shipley vs Harison?

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    Kind of hard to know if Sims looked better than Harrison or not since Harrison was essentially NFI'd almost right after he was picked up from Chi (well before camp really). But, Harrison is 6'3", 230 and is a big body. Considering the Pats inability to score in the RZ adding an extra big body to the roster makes sense (provided health and ability). A number of teams have started to add a RZ specialist who's size creates mismatches and I can see the Pats doing the same. Other than that I can't say I really know much about the guy so I leave it to the Pats better judgement as to how they feel about him.

    It looks like most of the WR's they brought in are more slot type of guys. Truthfully I think who were currently have on the roster are better than any of the WRs they looked at and barring an Edelman injury or Collie injury (both is a likelyhood maybe why they are bringing people in?) I don't see much of a role for them here. On Shipley, never was a big fan. Not the best hands and had issues from time to time creating seperation. Bounced around 3 teams in 3 years and hasn't really developed past his initial success with the Bengals after tearing his ACL. You have to wonder if he ever has or will ever completely recover from the ACL. At least Harrison brings some size for RZ formations. But, Shipley is clearly a step up from Williams or Wylie. 

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:
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    playing the numbers game, we have to assume that Mayo having the surgery already means there will be an attempt to get him back this year. since they already used the IR designated to return on Vareen, it seems they will carry Mayo even though he most likely is out until week 14 or so.

    Beauharnis, Bequette, Ebner, Washington could be squeezed off

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    Bye bye Washington

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:
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    playing the numbers game, we have to assume that Mayo having the surgery already means there will be an attempt to get him back this year. since they already used the IR designated to return on Vareen, it seems they will carry Mayo even though he most likely is out until week 14 or so.

    Beauharnis, Bequette, Ebner, Washington could be squeezed off

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    If Mayo can be ready for the playoffs that's a smart move. We will need him badly for the playoffs

     
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    Thank you....  My cut slater thread just about got me lynched around here...

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    That's because you wanted to release Slater for a player that is currently bagging groceries and asking if you'd like fries with that

     
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    Whats the deal on slater? Yes, he is just a ST player, but arguably the best in the league. That has enough value around here still. At least I think so.

     
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    I forgot about Harrison. He is a potential RZ threat but not sure if he could be Hern's role. I could see them trying to squeeze him on the roster though because Boyce is just MIA and they could use an extra body at the receiving position. Esp when Edelman or Collie go down (knock on wood that I'm wrong). My guess would be someone like Chris White to make room for Harrison (if he makes the team) and someone like Forston for Armstead. That makes it fairly neat at 53 people

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    Why would they put Harrison on the active roster? Sims showed more and he isn't even here. Plus, they worked out 3 wr's and a TE today. One of the wr's was Shipley. i liked him. Thoughts on adding Shipley vs Harison?

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    Kind of hard to know if Sims looked better than Harrison or not since Harrison was essentially NFI'd almost right after he was picked up from Chi (well before camp really). But, Harrison is 6'3", 230 and is a big body. Considering the Pats inability to score in the RZ adding an extra big body to the roster makes sense (provided health and ability). A number of teams have started to add a RZ specialist who's size creates mismatches and I can see the Pats doing the same. Other than that I can't say I really know much about the guy so I leave it to the Pats better judgement as to how they feel about him.

    It looks like most of the WR's they brought in are more slot type of guys. Truthfully I think who were currently have on the roster are better than any of the WRs they looked at and barring an Edelman injury or Collie injury (both is a likelyhood maybe why they are bringing people in?) I don't see much of a role for them here. On Shipley, never was a big fan. Not the best hands and had issues from time to time creating seperation. Bounced around 3 teams in 3 years and hasn't really developed past his initial success with the Bengals after tearing his ACL. You have to wonder if he ever has or will ever completely recover from the ACL. At least Harrison brings some size for RZ formations. But, Shipley is clearly a step up from Williams or Wylie. 

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    Agree. But every report on Harrison was that he was raw and needed much work. I can see him on the PS, but I don't see him on the active rosteR, in terms of RZ threat, we have Dobson, thompkins and Gronk who will return. Honestly, Dobson should be used more here. 

    PI would like to Harrison stashed on the PS and bulked up to 250. Use him as rkarp suggested as the move TE. 

     
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    Agree. But every report on Harrison was that he was raw and needed much work. I can see him on the PS, but I don't see him on the active rosteR, in terms of RZ threat, we have Dobson, thompkins and Gronk who will return. Honestly, Dobson should be used more here. 

    PI would like to Harrison stashed on the PS and bulked up to 250. Use him as rkarp suggested as the move TE. 

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    The problem with that is with the exception of Gronk the rooks you listed have been on the team the entire time and we still have a horrible RZ O. Which when going over the games Dobson tends to drop the ball too much and doesn't really fight for the ball for Brady to trust him that close and both Thompkins and Dobson have had issues creating seperation in the EZ.  Inside the 20 Harrison can remain raw, the only thing he has to do is out fight and box out the CB's. He doesn't have to really run routes, just use that big body up close. Yes I'd like a more polished guy but beggers can't be chosers when you are towards the bottom of the league for RZ efficiency. The other thing I'm worried about is that he wouldn't clear waivers to get to the PS. There are a number of bottom tier teams who would love a guy his size and would have no issue bringing him in to develop on their 53 man simply because it doesn't hurt them in the least (Jax would be my bet). So while not ideal he's worth a try imo. All I'm invisioning is a 2 WR set inside the 5 right now. Thompkins out wide left, Harrison out wide right and a 2 back I formation with TE in tight. Brady can look both sides find out which mismatch is better and throw a simple fade and let Harrison or Thompkins out jump the CB. Nothing fancy just a simple setup where the D has to plan for a power run, but keep a S in check for a TE release which means they have to put CB's on the outside against 2 taller WRs who both can jump and 1 which will most likely have 30lbs on the CB. Fancier stuff can come next year but given our frustration inside the 5 I'd say "keep it simple stupid" and let Brady decide which is the bigger mismatch and either fade, run, or TE flat 3 times.

     
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