Re: Any chance of getting Decker?
posted at 2/27/2014 1:18 AM EST
In response to 49Patriots' comment:
In response to TFB12's comment:
In response to 49Patriots' comment:
Dennard isn't a scrub, but he's not a number 1 CB(Check what Thomas did to him). Decker wsn't getting other team's Talib, he was matched up against their Arringtons a lot since Welker was the number 2 WR.
Awesome! That's what a group of talented WR's does for an offense. You shut down 1 player and now there are a few other talented WR's to provide production. That WR group in Denver was fantastic! You shut one down, they had 3 other guys to go to. Now look at the Pats... No threats! So take your pick, put a teams best DB on any of the Pats WR's and really, do you see others providing the production needed to win? Not really. You look back at any of the Pats losses last season and if they had more talent at the WR position they win a couple of those games. And now you want to repeat that this season?
Yes, defense is great and the Pats need to improve defense but they also need another WR who is experienced, capable of getting down field, who is big, strong and physical. There wasn't a team in the NFL who would have beat the Seahawks on Super Bowl night. It was their game right from the very first snap.
Okay, firstly, that same offense was shut down the very next game by a hard hitting defense that beat them off the line of scrimmage. There is a pattern there, no matter how good an offense is, a good defense will always own them. See the 2004 Colts, 2007 Patriots, 2010 Patriots, 2011 Packers, 2013 Broncos...
Offenses are overrated, end of this. A good defense is more important.
Secondly, Decker isn't that WR you keep calling for. Capable of getting downfield? Decker runs a 4.54, if you're waiting for him to get downfield Brady will be on his back all season. Strong and pyhsical? Decker isn't strong or physical either, he fades when a guy can man him up and play physically with him (Like Dennard and the Seahawks). Are you sure you're not confusing Decker and Thomas? Thomas is the one who ran a 4.38, is 6'3 230 pounds, scored a 33 on his Wonderlic (High for a WR) and demands a double team.
Finally, The Seahawks have a worse WR corps than us. How did they win the SB? They just punched everyone in the mouth.
Decker not capable of getting down field? Slow? The dude had 19 receptions over 20 yards in 2013. That just happens to be the same number of receptions Demaryius Thomas had over 20 yards. Oh, and just 3 shy of Calvin Johnson who had 22 receptions over 20 yards. Guess who had the most receptions over 20 yards on the Patriots? Gronk, with 10. Edelman had 9, Dobson had a whopping 6! Thompkins with 8. Not good enough!
So all this talk about the Seahawks defense, yeah they are awesome. They won the Super Bowl shutting Manning and the offensive powerhouse Broncos down. So all you need is a #1 defense to win it all? Well, can the Pats be a #1 defense next season? is that all it will take? how about a top 5 defense? Can they do that? The 49'ers are a top 5 defense and they lost to the Seahawks.... twice. Oh, and how well did that work for all the other defenses who allowed few points then the Pats? Panthers, Saints, Bengals, Chiefs, Cards, Dolphins, Colts? You still need to be able to score, last I checked the Seahawks were also able to score, and score against more top defenses they faced then the Patriots faced.
I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but Dobson, Thompkins, Amendola aren't going to be the receivers to help provide those points needed to win the big one. Especially if Edelman is gone and they don't fill that void.
I'm all for a top defense but to pretend that a solid,top WR isn't needed too is just foolish. I don't get some of the thinking that goes on here.